I feel it's only natural and fair to give these guys their love that they deserve.
I can't express how much I loved this DreamHack and I would like to list what i appreciate about the event:
- the format: each player has to play at least 3 games before he is knocked out and the finals start on equal terms
- the planning schedule that they go by and you can plan to watch certain matches since you know when they will be played. Longer matches may delay that whole schedule but most of the time it was very useful.
- the casters: well I feel I don't need to talk that much here because they know WE LOVE THEM
- the upsets: and there was lots of them. I don't think anyones call of the top 16 was accurate.
- everything about the finals should be the standard from now on. The stadium, the polished graphics, the pulse meter, the clear player cameras, the fan support, the casters couch with discussions between the games, etc.
- the finals was both watchable in EU and USA, and that's important. The fact that it ended on Saturday and people can stay over the night to follow is very important.
- the ceremony was so emotional and the crowd was awesome, in fact
- the crowd, guys you made the event 10 times better. You cheered, you did not boo, you stayed till the end. Props for being loud and awesome.
- 1080 stream quality free
This is it, LOVE DREAMHACK, can't wait for 2012.
And some stream numbers from DH_Stats_Official on Reddit.
Concurrent viewers, average peak: 212,003 Concurrent viewers, highest peak: 559,664 Unique video views: 23,047,554 Absolute unique viewers: 17,332,113 Total Viewing Time (hours): 169,320 hours
the in-between games discussion was awesome. a very elegant, informative and entertaining way to fill game set-up intermissions and giving the players a few minutes to compose themselves
everything in dreamhack that was related to sc2 was awesome. tastosis is good, casters on the couch were good, fans are good. the other games not so much.
It was definitely a good set-up, my only sadness was that it was held in Sweden, so most of the games were played while I was at work. But the casting was great, having a schedule was really, really nice to know what was being played on what stream. Set casters on set streams was also nice too; so I'm not flicking back and forth between streams like on MLG to try to find Tasteless.
I agree with everything other than the pulse meter. For me it was just distracting from the game.
The thing I loved the most was the casters talking about the games on the couch bewteen them. Great way to kill time in a way that doeson't make the LR gain 5 pages of cringe over the bad host.
This was such a great tournament and soooo much to watch ~.~ I still have to rewatch a lot of the games that I missed because there was so much going on and I had to leave my computer for an hour which led to 3 hours of new VODs that need to be checked O.O
-Some stream issues with lag on the first 2 days, -Uninteresting map pool imo
Good stuff:
-Everything else!
Where Dreamhack stands out to me is the stream quality (1080p), very little downtime, hardly any delays, stadium-like atmosphere at the finals like it was some football match, laid back and fun, yet profesional casting and finally great tournament format, maybe with the exception of some random draws and seeds.
Great thread. Another thing to add was how fast all the games casted by Day9 and Mr. Bitters were uploaded. Especially for us americans who were asleep during many games! =D
On November 27 2011 18:21 Dodgin wrote: I agree with everything other than the pulse meter. For me it was just distracting from the game.
The thing I loved the most was the casters talking about the games on the couch bewteen them. Great way to kill time in a way that doeson't make the LR gain 5 pages of cringe over the bad host.
Distracting? Then don't watch at it lol
I really loved Dreamhack. I think esports needs more tournaments with a production value like this!
On November 27 2011 18:21 Dodgin wrote: I agree with everything other than the pulse meter. For me it was just distracting from the game.
The thing I loved the most was the casters talking about the games on the couch bewteen them. Great way to kill time in a way that doeson't make the LR gain 5 pages of cringe over the bad host.
Distracting? Then don't watch at it lol
I really loved Dreamhack. I think esports needs more tournaments with a production value like this!
Actually I think it was distracting only because it was such a new toy for the viewers to play with. If it would became the standard we would look at it like the production bar.
On November 27 2011 18:21 Dodgin wrote: I agree with everything other than the pulse meter. For me it was just distracting from the game.
The thing I loved the most was the casters talking about the games on the couch bewteen them. Great way to kill time in a way that doeson't make the LR gain 5 pages of cringe over the bad host.
Distracting? Then don't watch at it lol
I really loved Dreamhack. I think esports needs more tournaments with a production value like this!
I mean sure, people would probably get used to it. But the LR was talking more about the players' BPM than the game itself. I guess that's just because it is a new toy though.
More love for the e-sports couch discussions, whoever thought of that is awesome! I like how we got the thoughts of all casters even though they werent casting, and also got tastosis some down time to relax between games.
The pulse meter was kinda cool too
Some of the camera work could be improved after matches ends, cause what you really want to see is the players face when they come out, and some of that was missed, but these were small issues. And 2GD should host really
On November 27 2011 18:36 dartoo wrote: More love for the e-sports couch discussions, whoever thought of that is awesome! I like how we got the thoughts of all casters even though they werent casting, and also got tastosis some down time to relax between games.
The pulse meter was kinda cool too
Some of the camera work could be improved after matches ends, cause what you really want to see is the players face when they come out, and some of that was missed, but these were small issues. And 2GD should host really
Absolutely THIS please, if anyone who works for Dreamhack reads this. PLEASE make sure the host is well suited for the event he is hosting!
Only thing I regretted was not watching the Swedish stream when Twitch TV decided to lag the game to pieces. Dreamhack really should try to find another proxy streaming service for next event, If they even need one. People claiming that Dreamhack is the cause of the lag made me wanna cry.
On November 27 2011 18:40 Highways wrote: Awesome tournament:
- Sick stadium - Coach discussion - No BS extended series to ruin the final - High production - Pretty good music
About the music, isn't MLG playing that generic music over and over again to not cross any pirating law? Is DreamHack allowed to play music in between games?
On November 27 2011 18:40 Highways wrote: Awesome tournament:
- Sick stadium - Coach discussion - No BS extended series to ruin the final - High production - Pretty good music
About the music, isn't MLG playing that generic music over and over again to not cross any pirating law? Is DreamHack allowed to play music in between games?
It's Sweden, pirating and playing illegal music is what we do best.
On November 27 2011 18:40 Highways wrote: Awesome tournament:
- Sick stadium - Coach discussion - No BS extended series to ruin the final - High production - Pretty good music
About the music, isn't MLG playing that generic music over and over again to not cross any pirating law? Is DreamHack allowed to play music in between games?
It is more likely DH simply paid for better music. Let's not forget it's a LAN first, a self-proclaimed "digital festival" second and a tournament last. They had live performances all over the place, light shows and a ton else. Music would be their least concern
i must say, the caster couch is such a clever idea...i really hope it catches on, it cuts down a lot of annoying downtime and adds great content...i also liked the heartrate monitors, interesting stuff to look at
- great stream quality - pulse meters were really cool idea - loved the tournament format - great casting - epic finals compared to many major tournaments
EDIT: PS those overlays were awesome all tourney long, mad props to production crew
The finals were incredible. Such a mad atmosphere! I was a little bit surprised that TB, who might lack a little bit of game knowledge compared to the other casters, was far above all the others at handling a live crowd. When Tejbz was a little nervous during the opening ceremony I felt that TB kind of saved it. Also, guess we shouldn't bash Tejbz really, it was his first live event I guess... Maybe a little bit strange of a choice to pick him as a host, but apparently the guy is really huge on youtube and stuff
Loved every bit of it, awsome stream quality and its free, awsome caster, awsome crowd and arena. Every time Dreamhack comes round they just push it to the next level its amazing, wish I could go one day the lan looks sick as well. Host /cry
Yeah, I agree. DreamHack did an awesome job with this one. I wish that the GSL would implement player cams. They have the cams on the players during the matches from outside the booth, it would be cool if they added that to the main playing screen like others do.
Overall they seemed to run a great event from a fan perspective. Congrats to them, to Sweden, to the players, the casters, and the amazing audience for putting on such a great show with such an amazing finals as well.
really great event, but there were quite a few stream problems. On first day stream was very laggy, and in next days it was out of sync of the time. Stream is the most important thing, I don't care who plays in the tournament and who are the casters if the stream is freezing every 10 seconds.
Overall it was good, especially last day was best without any problems except the sync problem.
This Dreamhack was really a fantastic watching experience. Three days full of SC, games all the time on three free and high-quality streams. The caster panel during the finals. They were also on schedule mostly and had very reasonable downtimes.
Absolutely amazing. Me and my brother are already planning to try to get to sweden for the next one!
Some points Pros: - 1080p free stream - When tasteless had to go to hospital what shall we do? No problem, find TLO! - Fantastic casting - BPM meter was pretty cool, not a first for esports but a first for SC2. - The other game finals were pretty good as well, especially QL and HoN, enjoyed them muchly. - The crowd and the stadium were fantastic. - A proper tournament structure, easy to understand, with no stupid rules. Top two in groups go through, then win the bracket. - Every match was casted. I can't stress how good being able to choose who to watch was. What is the point of a tournament where you can't watch the games?
Cons: (these are all obviously personal) - The main host for the event was an idiot, the "that's what she said" joke deserved to be booed. 2GD ftw. - Some stream problems near the start, but it all sorted itself out. - Would like to have a twitter or something that tells you EVERY time a different match is about to start on another stream, because switching between streams was a little frustrating.
Those are tiny problems though, and i am sure even the caster would have been okay if he had just backed down a little instead of trying to be the king.
i don't know if that was designed this way due to the cooperation between dreamhack and twitch, but if i were the event hoster, i would like to have that twitch-side with all the dreamhack streams on it (twitch.tv/team/dreamhack) on my own website so people visit that. i didn't go to the dreamhack website a single time during the whole event, because the best sites for watching the streams were not on there.
other than that.. imo, the streaming crew should try to adjust cast and advertisment volumes a little bit. I always had to go to my computer to turn down the volume during advertisements, because they were just streamed like 50% louder than the normal video. I know this is common practice, but it's a really bad one. I can't just sit on the couch and watch or something, because then some advertisement comes up which is so much louder that i have to turn it down to not wake anybody in the house at 1am. Please stop doing it, it's horribly inconvenient and actually counter-productive because i'm going to look for the volume slider instead of at the advertisement because of this
I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
For me, this was a defining tournament. To my knowledge (which is admittedly not great), I have never seen a tournament outside of SEA that has brought out finalists the way DreamHack did for this event. Nor have I seen the use of the heartrate monitors in Starcraft 2.
For the first time in my 4 or so years involved in competitive gaming, the hairs on my arms, legs and neck were all standing when I watched from the countdown to the game starting.
The only thing where I think DreamHack failed (and it really was a failure) was the use of Tejbz. He was incredibly unprepared, didn't know the names of ANY of the personalities he was hosting infront of. This wasn't limited to the SC2 players but he called the legendary Quake Live player Av3k (pronounced ah-veck) "A V Three K" and forgot the name of the shoutcasters for all the tournaments. I hope he's not invited back next time, or at the very least is given some training.
On November 27 2011 18:23 DaCruise wrote: Just gonna made it short.
Bad stuff:
-Some stream issues with lag on the first 2 days, -Uninteresting map pool imo
Good stuff:
-Everything else!
Where Dreamhack stands out to me is the stream quality (1080p), very little downtime, hardly any delays, stadium-like atmosphere at the finals like it was some football match, laid back and fun, yet profesional casting and finally great tournament format, maybe with the exception of some random draws and seeds.
The lag issues were probably not from DreamHacks side they had some crazy fucking internet. They really should stop cooperating with twitch imo, it always lags for me and it's annoying as hell especially when you know DH has beastly internet.
Dreamhack is never a disappointing tournmaent! Have always stayed up late to watch their awesome casters and games. Great work and keep up the awesomeness! :D.
On November 27 2011 18:23 DaCruise wrote: Just gonna made it short.
Bad stuff:
-Some stream issues with lag on the first 2 days, -Uninteresting map pool imo
Good stuff:
-Everything else!
Where Dreamhack stands out to me is the stream quality (1080p), very little downtime, hardly any delays, stadium-like atmosphere at the finals like it was some football match, laid back and fun, yet profesional casting and finally great tournament format, maybe with the exception of some random draws and seeds.
The lag issues were probably not from DreamHacks side they had some crazy fucking internet. They really should stop cooperating with twitch imo, it always lags for me and it's annoying as hell especially when you know DH has beastly internet.
Their internet was experiencing downtime during day 1 & 2, this was an on-site thing with Telia which the managed to get reoslved. So, I highly doubt it's anything to do with Twitch this time around. With that being said, why should they stop cooperating with Twitch just because a few people get some lag via Twitch? The majority are probably able to watch just fine. Twitch are playing a huge factor in the growth of competitive gaming as well, they deserve to work with big events.
On November 27 2011 19:44 Seanza wrote: For me, this was a defining tournament. To my knowledge (which is admittedly not great), I have never seen a tournament outside of SEA that has brought out finalists the way DreamHack did for this event. Nor have I seen the use of the heartrate monitors in Starcraft 2.
For the first time in my 4 or so years involved in competitive gaming, the hairs on my arms, legs and neck were all standing when I watched from the countdown to the game starting.
The only thing where I think DreamHack failed (and it really was a failure) was the use of Tejbz. He was incredibly unprepared, didn't know the names of ANY of the personalities he was hosting infront of. This wasn't limited to the SC2 players but he called the legendary Quake Live player Av3k (pronounced ah-veck) "A V Three K" and forgot the name of the shoutcasters for all the tournaments. I hope he's not invited back next time, or at the very least is given some training.
I agree, when Tejbz came on I thought to myself; WTF? All day, all night... No but really, 2GD would have done it so much better. As a host you most know the name of the players that are going to play at least. One solution is to let one of the casters act as host for every final, as they did in the end with day9. Tejbz seemed really unprepared and unprofessional, I felt kinda sad for him until he started making those awkward jokes. Hope for something better in that regard next time Dreamhack.
Overall a amazing tournament and it was nice to have both day9 and tasteless at the same event, I love 'em :D
I think no matter how good or bad the production is (although DreamHack was brilliant), what really makes a tournament sick is when the crowd gets up for the finals and BRINGS THE HOUSE DOWN! Massive credit to everyone who attended, I only wish I were able to attend events like this and give my support to the players and casters.
Amazing first 2 days, was the first time in a while I was able to hang around most of the day watching an SC2 tourney, love the double group format into knock-out. Very, very entertaining.
On November 27 2011 19:44 SimDawg wrote: I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
Do you know Sweden's law system? I'll admit that i dont know about it but in Poland they would just need to pay about 110 Euro (for the size of Dreamarea) for the usage of music as a background
Loved Dreamhack! Heres what I liked and did not like.
Liked: Caster couch - everyone knows you sometimes need downtime for the players to watch replays or collect their thoughts, it was so much better to see the casters chatting, making jokes and getting excited with the crowd.
Liked: Guest casters - I'm amazing no tournament has figured yet that the community LOVES guest casters and SC2 players casting in particular! Sheth and TLO were brilliant.
Liked: Dat stadium! I would always prefer a small room packed with noisy people than an a huge half full arena, but hell yeah you filled it. Hero's face when he walked out for the finals and realised just how many were cheering for him was amazing, and the casters were feeding off the crowd a lot and were very excited themselves.
Liked: No extended series! And proper bo5 semis then bo7 finals. Take note MLG, people do NOT want bo3 finals, its a joke. We want a system that showcases skill and makes sure the best player wins.
Liked: Free HD streams.
Liked: VODs up very quickly.
Disliked: Some stream issues, I know that isn't Dreamhack directly but its still an issue. Thankfully they were mostly resolved for the final.
Disliked: During the group stages, it was hard to keep track of which games were on. You need a MLG live blog system to keep people informed, people HATE missing their favourite players play!
Dreamhack is indeed awesome! Really good tournament, you already mentioned all the reasons. Definitely considering going to the next DH just because of this!
Thi event seta new standard. The "casting couch", the venue and the stadium for the finals, EU and USA could view it, the casters, the ppl, the professionalism etc. So many good ideas and awesome stuff. Very personal and also very "big". Loved it!
I was about to put DH in second place behind IPL regarding production value. Then day three came upon us. Holy jizz-fest! o.O
On November 27 2011 19:24 Surili wrote: *snip* - The main host for the event was an idiot, the "that's what she said" joke deserved to be booed. 2GD ftw. *snip*
Well, all i have to say is: Whenever i want to show somebody how great of an esport SC2 is, I will show him the VODs of the finals, and he will understand.
I think that the Pulse thing they had was a it over the top, a cool idea but I don't think it was really needed. I loved their stadium, caster couch, the tournament format was fantastic, I would say about the casters but they always get praise My only gripe is that we didn't get 2GD hosting it
On November 27 2011 19:44 SimDawg wrote: I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
Seems like you really don't have a clue. Here, take this.
And once again Dreamhack sets a higher bar for the other tournaments around. Epic finals in an epic location. And the caster couch and tastosis made up for the terrible host easily =)
Just another Dreamhack that set the bar for LAN tournaments a lot higher (Are you watching MLG?).
- Loved that it is from Thursday to Saturday, so you can watch the finals even if they are kind of late, cause most people can sleep in on sunday. - There were almost no problems with being on time with the schedule, if you decided to watch a certain match, you knew exactly when to turn in. - Do i have anything to say about the casters? - Free HD Streams the whole weekend, this is awesome, I don't understand why people rage about some minor lag issues and bashing Telia/TwitchTV, these guys deserve way more love. - Finals were absolutely awesome, i don't mind other games in between, especially when its only for 30 minutes or so. - Host oviously hurt ESPORTS, 2GD did it awesome last time, i don't know why they don't use him once more. At least use another one next time, pls! - Crowd was amazing, some more people could have stayed for SF4, and when 2GD asked if he was host now, i had expected some better reaction from the crowd.
Things DH isn't directly involved with, but are important to a good tournament imo:
- Games were mostly awesome (I am not talking about Happy vs TOD ^^) - Except for RO16, racial distribution was very good. (Someone remember that MLG with top 6 terran? :/ )
On November 27 2011 19:44 SimDawg wrote: I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
On November 27 2011 18:21 tarodotoxin wrote: i loved it when artosis made fun of Apollo when he didnt know his and tastless' mics were still kinda on hahah hella laughed
I was there, I'll for sure be returning, this was one of the most epic events I'ave ever been too
I can only imagine that they'll need to expand the arena to next time, the entire place was full except for some of the side seats, but they didnt offer a good view and the screens used reflected in a weird way sitting on the sides.
I think the finals was obviously really good but the tournament leading up to that was pretty dull. I mean the players wasn't even in the same room as the casters and the audience which made it feel more like an online tournament with nice casters IMO. Next time they should have the players in booths in front of the audience like MLG and it would be perfect
Just gonna say that most things were really well handled this year. High quality streams, good casters, the double group play into single elimination, clear schedule of when what is played. And the semis and finals were awesomely organized. But gonna throw out what would be my main areas where they should focus on improving in case someone from DH reads this.
Small stuff - Could be a bit more clear about WHERE what is played. Hopping between streams wasnt a big deal, but slightly annoying. - A bit of unstable streams, especially first day. No biggie either, lowering resolution fixed it for me mostly.
The one big thing DH lacks: - Higher quality games, more better players. I felt that given the player pool, a 32 or 48 player tournament wouldve been better. Day1 and 2 were also kinda meh in terms of the match quality (ToD vs Happy anyone?), although day 3 naturally made up for some of it. If DH can find a way to attract more Koreans and possibly even more high level foreigners, it would give them an amazing boost as an overall tournament. Work on that, DH! If it isnt possible (I completely understand why it isnt an easy thing to do), consider lowering the amount of players to create a higher density of high quality games. Even with 32 players doing 4-player group into Ro16-single-elim-style, theres more than enough games to fill three days with. You might even be able to stream all games with 2-3 concurrent streams up.
<3 Dreamhack, except for some lag issues during the first 2days it was pretty awesome! Just loved the couch talking between all the casters!
The stream stats look pretty unreal though :D I can't imagine viewer count peaking at over 500k, while during the finals there were like 80k people watching the english stream?
I loved dreamhack!!! The tournament format was really straight forward and made sure the absolute best advanced only.
Besides that the production value and stream quality (besides the twitch problems) is the best i've seen so far. Especially the finals setting with the other casters talking about the games inbetween and everything.
Best tournament thus far, and next year i'll be sure to be there again!
Dreamhack never fails to deliver. It was so amazing, I enjoyed the whole weekend. The biggest thing for me was how fast the games were cast, as much as I was concerned for the caster's well-being and exhaustion, it was pretty good as a viewing perspective. The games were pretty sick, the format was really good and production is always top notch. If it can attract the kind of player pool MLG does it would be absolutely incredible but as it is it falls short of the hype that MLG manages to pull off, which is unfortunate. (Apart from the final, I was going crazy with excitement).
On November 27 2011 19:44 SimDawg wrote: I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
On November 27 2011 20:38 Thrombozyt wrote: What is an 'average peak' in the viewer numbers? Is it the average, or is it the peak?
I wondered that too.
The average should measured between time A and time B, per day or over the whole tourny for example. "Average peak" would obviously be very high if they measured the average for only 1h during the final day when most streams were running, so that doesnt really say anything. If defined properly, an average doesnt even have a peak..... because its.... an average.
- Awesome Games - Lots of Upsets - probably best caster lineup possible - ESPORT SOFA incl hilarious trash talking ( Im waiting for that sc2+ssf match apollo and artosis) - finally Heros first Major Title
and of course the fucking amazing swedish crowd in a frickin stadium, wow you guys were amazing and sitting a home I had chills^^
Dreamhack always delivers and it's not even a sc2 dedicated event, for IPL 3 I voted 8,5 ish but for dreamhack winter I considered a 10 for the first time but since we should always leave room for improvement and twitch kinda ruined the groupstages with lags let's say 9.!! gogogo Dreamhack 2012
PS: Was there a reason why so few koreans attended this time? sorry if I missed it Dreamhack announced it.
€ Dreamhack and Homestory cup have the best fucking music and I think this time had the first not-awkward player walk-in in a non korean tournament. Au contraire it was epic, just look at Hero's face.
The one big thing DH lacks: - Higher quality games, more better players. I felt that given the player pool, a 32 or 48 player tournament wouldve been better. Day1 and 2 were also kinda meh in terms of the match quality (ToD vs Happy anyone?), although day 3 naturally made up for some of it. If DH can find a way to attract more Koreans and possibly even more high level foreigners, it would give them an amazing boost as an overall tournament. Work on that, DH! If it isnt possible (I completely understand why it isnt an easy thing to do), consider lowering the amount of players to create a higher density of high quality games. Even with 32 players doing 4-player group into Ro16-single-elim-style, theres more than enough games to fill three days with. You might even be able to stream all games with 2-3 concurrent streams up.
I disagree completely with this. The no-names saved this tournament when the big names played like crap. Your example with ToD and Happy is a very bad example, the level of play in that game wasn't horrendous, it was just that no player attacked at a point that made it a boring snore fest. ToD would definitely have been in a 32 player field as well and probably Happy too.
On November 27 2011 21:01 theBALLS wrote: The best tournament thus far. Sorry IPL, dreamhack was better.
This, everything was just fantastic, the comedy segmants to kill time, the casting, the stream quality (shame about the lag sometimes, but that's just twitch.tv for europe) and the finals were awesome, especially having the other four casters on stage to make for funny interludes between games rather than forcing two casters to kill time. The crowd also really helped and even just listening to it made you feel the real atmosphere.
I was a bit dissapointed with the sound levels of the music on the entrances and the ceremony though. Seemed far too loud compared to everything else. Just blew my ears off.
On November 27 2011 19:44 SimDawg wrote: I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
I'm pretty convinced you are wrong, as it has been mentioned earlier Dreamhack is a festival not an esport event. Bans from labels like universal etc. Have been performing at dreamhack for years. And also since it is also declared as a "cultural event" and financially supported by the state I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be breaking any Swedish law.
- FREE 1080p (some lag coming from twitch tv as usual ¬¬). - ALL top casters (Apollo+Tb+Day9+Artosis+Tasteless + TLO sick sick caster for high level analysis, OMG!!) - Amazing stadium! - Top production values, no offense, but for example when watching nasl finals it was evident that someone say something like "nah, lets cut that....and that....and that too, i can find something cheaper". Here almost everything was top notch. - Sick line up, with Providence the best up to date.
I'll love to see some feedback FROM THE PLAYERS :D
The one big thing DH lacks: - Higher quality games, more better players. I felt that given the player pool, a 32 or 48 player tournament wouldve been better. Day1 and 2 were also kinda meh in terms of the match quality (ToD vs Happy anyone?), although day 3 naturally made up for some of it. If DH can find a way to attract more Koreans and possibly even more high level foreigners, it would give them an amazing boost as an overall tournament. Work on that, DH! If it isnt possible (I completely understand why it isnt an easy thing to do), consider lowering the amount of players to create a higher density of high quality games. Even with 32 players doing 4-player group into Ro16-single-elim-style, theres more than enough games to fill three days with. You might even be able to stream all games with 2-3 concurrent streams up.
ToD is korean Gm you cutie troll : ) Even the MLG have the open bracket, and it is fine to be that way, so new improving faces came up eventually (Thorzain, Stephano, Gatored, and so)
My favorite moment was when Tejbz went off the stage after doing another one of his crap interviews/introductions... his mic was still on and he goes on saying in swedish "I havn't rehearsed anything at all" in a i-dont-give-a-fuck voice. Hopefully the last time he's on stage.
On November 27 2011 21:20 Kira__ wrote: My favorite moment was when Tejbz went off the stage after doing another one of his crap interviews/introductions... his mic was still on and he goes on saying in swedish "I havn't rehearsed anything at all" in a i-dont-give-a-fuck voice. Hopefully the last time he's on stage.
Dreamhack was great, but I can't for my life understand the choise of using him to host the thing. He is a xbox 360 cod pubstar that have a youtube channel and twitter for kids.
They really didn't think very far on that one, I guess they just got twitter follower horny and forgot the rest, Hopefully that comment was the last thing he said on that stage.
I really loved DH, the discussion shit was awesome. Also I really loved that they kept the casting pairs together, compared to MLG where I feel the constant switching is quite frustrating+ Show Spoiler +
(and to be honest, MLG just keeps leaving the best casters on the bench while JP is casting shitton, though I love the guy he just ain't that good of a caster)
. Also since no one seems that interested in improving double elimination, single elimination is the way to go for the end. Don't really care about the bracket stuff, seemed to me like it came out at about the same as just having them fewer and bigger to begin with.
The negative: Stop the bait and switch. People will say "it was on the schedule", but it's still frustrating, can't you show consolidation matches or something while the players are getting ready for the finals/semi finals, if that is the actual reason for putting it there? If it's not, please just stop it, if I like Quake and SF don't you think I'd be watching it anyway? The only positive thing about it was 2GD.
I LOVED the player intro @ the grand final. It was just so smooth and easy - players going straight to the booths while the crowd goes nuts and music is playing. I got so pumped. I wish more tournaments would just do this rather than having someone on stage go "Ok guys make sure to cheer the loudest you can" and then have the players come up on stage and have some half-awkward pre-game interview with questions like "will you win? how are you gonna win?" and then make the players shake hand and get into the booths.
Absolutely fucking awesome, sums up the tournament, everything about it was awesome. I loved the stadium, the acoustic's in the there must of been amazing.
The one big thing DH lacks: - Higher quality games, more better players. I felt that given the player pool, a 32 or 48 player tournament wouldve been better. Day1 and 2 were also kinda meh in terms of the match quality (ToD vs Happy anyone?), although day 3 naturally made up for some of it. If DH can find a way to attract more Koreans and possibly even more high level foreigners, it would give them an amazing boost as an overall tournament. Work on that, DH! If it isnt possible (I completely understand why it isnt an easy thing to do), consider lowering the amount of players to create a higher density of high quality games. Even with 32 players doing 4-player group into Ro16-single-elim-style, theres more than enough games to fill three days with. You might even be able to stream all games with 2-3 concurrent streams up.
I disagree completely with this. The no-names saved this tournament when the big names played like crap. Your example with ToD and Happy is a very bad example, the level of play in that game wasn't horrendous, it was just that no player attacked at a point that made it a boring snore fest. ToD would definitely have been in a 32 player field as well and probably Happy too.
Wait, you disagree Tod-Happy was "meh in terms of quality" but you call it "a boring snore fest"? What? "Meh" is a compliment compared to your description....
Agree that Tod would fit in a 32 player field though, probably Happy too.
It was sick. I think at one moment there were over 100 000 viewers, that should make tv-networks take gaming more seriously Also fun to see day9 get 2x viewers than the rest combined. I love the other casters but day9 is really starcraft, he IS starcraft.
The one big thing DH lacks: - Higher quality games, more better players. I felt that given the player pool, a 32 or 48 player tournament wouldve been better. Day1 and 2 were also kinda meh in terms of the match quality (ToD vs Happy anyone?), although day 3 naturally made up for some of it. If DH can find a way to attract more Koreans and possibly even more high level foreigners, it would give them an amazing boost as an overall tournament. Work on that, DH! If it isnt possible (I completely understand why it isnt an easy thing to do), consider lowering the amount of players to create a higher density of high quality games. Even with 32 players doing 4-player group into Ro16-single-elim-style, theres more than enough games to fill three days with. You might even be able to stream all games with 2-3 concurrent streams up.
ToD is korean Gm you cutie troll : ) Even the MLG have the open bracket, and it is fine to be that way, so new improving faces came up eventually (Thorzain, Stephano, Gatored, and so)
And Happy has been #1 in EU GM. And MLG has pool play too.
"And 2GD should host really" - I really would disagree with this, I can't stand his repetitive (failing) attempts at extremely low grade humour and he'd only possibly have helped due to how awkward the Swedish host was and how little he had to say. I thought I heard 2GD commentating one of the other games at one point, one of the shooters and felt sudden relief that he was NOT in the SCII section. I loved the event and the casters, hate the amount of abusive crap I see in the chat (so I minimise it or click ignore on about 33% of the names and this is about any chat, of course) and can only encourage the casters to always keep at it and not be discouraged by criticism, except that sometimes people should be prepared with something to talk about as a host (Tabez, is it?) and some casters' humour only makes things awkward instead of natural (it seems to depend on taste as to who does this though ).
I found it a bit odd that the audio-video sync was never really sorted out, sorry for ignorance in not knowing whether this is related to Twitch.tv or Dreamhack. I don't think I liked much of the music but it was fine too, although definitely too loud at times, like in the award ceremony. I know people hosting these events seem to think it important to have a lot of noise to indicate VIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCTTTTTTTTTORRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYY! but it causes the stream to get even a little static/fuzz from high volume and I doubt the players are going to feel more comfortable because they come out into (musical) noise that is louder than the crowd. It also makes Day[9] have to raise his voice higher by default and we all care about the health of the casters' throats, don't we?
Additionally, I could also hear casters speaking after handing it over to others from time to time, such as Artosis talking about what Sean was doing when Day[9], Mr. Bitter, d.Apollo and TotalBiscuit were on the couch or when Sean was starting to interview Hero at the end (with the loud music; there were some instances of other casters not muting their microphones too). Does someone at Dreamhack need to disable their microphones for them a little more quickly or is it up to the casters and they're just not always remembering in time?
I enjoyed the pulse being there, but I thought this was the second time I'd seen that, so I was surprised when people seemed to surprised by it, though I had forgotten about it until it was here again, that and the voting were not always there and they are not at all important, but a small, interesting additional feature of the tournament. On Japanese and Korean sites, their (stream) players sometimes have buttons to enable or disable additional features like stream chat cycling over the top/bottom of the video window or to enable/disable parts of the interface. Youtube I suppose has something similar. It would be good if pulse and the voting results could instead by a toggled part of the interface, but I expect this would be down to Twitch.tv setting up buttons that can be set for different purposes by the streamers. In an ideal world, people could toggle those features to keep everyone happy. Oh yeah, keep the ESPORTS Sofa, it's a good way to kill time while waiting for the next match and even if most of the conversation is predictable, it's still good for reflecting on the matches and helps people to get used to each caster and accept that they can ALL have good things to say. All up, a great event.
On November 27 2011 21:30 Tegu wrote: Absolutely fucking awesome, sums up the tournament, everything about it was awesome. I loved the stadium, the acoustic's in the there must of been amazing.
Im still suprised there was enough people to fill that stadium. And prople travelled from all over scandinavia/europe basicly. And yes. it was amazing, the final battle of last game and the gg following it induced (what feelt like) a minor earthquake in there.
Personal favorites: Player entrances. Massive response. Totalbiscuit. Hearing this guys voice in those speakers live was unbelievable. And extremley talented saving the intro from that hack c.o.d host. Camerawork, lights, ambience. Excellent. Hero's humble and shaken reaction at the never ending cheers after winning. (Grats by the way! Epic games)
+ Hero winning <3 + Stream quality/Streaming in general (most lag issues could be fixed by watching 720+ instead of lower qualities..) + nice schedule and sticking to it, didn't rly miss any game i wanted to watch + Finals in Saturday (nice time for viewers which don't come from EU) + the crowd, the stadium, the athmosphere ... just wow + casters (if day9 is there im going to watch it, mrbitter did a rly great job too.. tastosis for sure - unfortunatly i missed arTLOsis ^^) + overall organisation & presentation: music, intros, overlays - just rly professional overall
- without TL and the schedule site that could be found in chat (http://ozzilee.com/dreamhack/) there was no rly source of information how the tournament is going, as somebody else alrdy said this is one thing MLG does better, the live coverage - we need the brackets, the schedule and some gossip all around that on a page to be informed (whould be a nice place to put sponsor advertisments too ), also there could be a much better hype all around the tourney .. more player interviews, VODs, player profiles etc. on this "page" - volume of the adds on twitch was rly bugging me (day9 stream was quite low on volume, so adds were rly rly loud) - - - - this host guy ... omg ... bad interviews (asking cypher about his sex live, the overall behaviour ...)
in conclusion:
Dreamhack was a blast - Just amazing. I alrdy wanted to go ther for DHW11 but couldn't make it .. now i know for sure where i'll be in summer! Keep on doing like dreamhack did it - This is how esports (.. in my case just speaking for SC2..) has to be presented ...
- Saturday - Night - Finals! I know at least 4 people (and me), that for them it was the reason to watch it! Sunday would have been not possible. So, thumps up for Saturday!!!
- overall production quality: for me it was without problems and really nice and beautiful to watch (in Germany).
On November 27 2011 21:53 Mpq wrote: Totalbiscuit. Hearing this guys voice in those speakers live was unbelievable. And extremely talented saving the intro from that hack c.o.d host.
My goodness, yes, I meant to mention that. THANK YOU TOTALBISCUIT, for saving that so naturally. Bravo!
The one big thing DH lacks: - Higher quality games, more better players. I felt that given the player pool, a 32 or 48 player tournament wouldve been better. Day1 and 2 were also kinda meh in terms of the match quality (ToD vs Happy anyone?), although day 3 naturally made up for some of it. If DH can find a way to attract more Koreans and possibly even more high level foreigners, it would give them an amazing boost as an overall tournament. Work on that, DH! If it isnt possible (I completely understand why it isnt an easy thing to do), consider lowering the amount of players to create a higher density of high quality games. Even with 32 players doing 4-player group into Ro16-single-elim-style, theres more than enough games to fill three days with. You might even be able to stream all games with 2-3 concurrent streams up.
I disagree completely with this. The no-names saved this tournament when the big names played like crap. Your example with ToD and Happy is a very bad example, the level of play in that game wasn't horrendous, it was just that no player attacked at a point that made it a boring snore fest. ToD would definitely have been in a 32 player field as well and probably Happy too.
Wait, you disagree Tod-Happy was "meh in terms of quality" but you call it "a boring snore fest"? What? "Meh" is a compliment compared to your description....
Agree that Tod would fit in a 32 player field though, probably Happy too.
Yeah I disagree with the notion that that game had anything to do with a weak player field. It came down to two players who did anything not to lose rather than to win. That may happen in any tournament when you're playing for your life(World Cup finals are often terrible), especially when the two player have a history like ToD and Happy do. The quality of the players got nothing to do with it what so ever, you can get those games in a 4 player all-star field.
Great tournament, DH! 3 things: + If possible, keep the casting line-up. By far the best casters in the scene, in one place was glorious. + Keep 2GD around for hosting duties and stuff. The guy is gold. - Keep that guy Tejbz as far away as fucking possible. His awkwardness, lack of charisma and complete absence of knowledge was extremely frustrating and disappointing to watch.
On November 27 2011 19:44 SimDawg wrote: I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
One thing that no-one's brought up yet is the absolutely grueling schedule the casters had on thursday. Apollo sounded like he'd swallowed razor-blades by the end of the day, which was pretty much twelve hours casting over a fifteen hour segment or similar. While it was nice that I could, at any point during the day, watch
But massive props to the saturday finals, really was a massive deal. So much better than every other final on a sunday night.
the venue was incredibly, was it really in a stadium??? isn't this the stage where everybody hoped to see starcraft 2 one day? then that day was this week!
On November 27 2011 21:53 Mpq wrote: Totalbiscuit. Hearing this guys voice in those speakers live was unbelievable. And extremely talented saving the intro from that hack c.o.d host.
My goodness, yes, I meant to mention that. THANK YOU TOTALBISCUIT, for saving that so naturally. Bravo!
That was not expected. I thought he was just bringing me up to ask a quick question before introducing the other casters but it became apparent that he was struggling. I'm not sure that roasting him a bit over CoD and such was the way to go but the crowd seemed ok with it.
Free stream quality shits over basically every other tournament save IPL, so that's a huge bonus right there.
Roundtable analysis between games was amazing, BPM measure was fun, stage was great, crowd was appropriately enthusiastic and the finals were a nailbiter.
On November 27 2011 21:53 Mpq wrote: Totalbiscuit. Hearing this guys voice in those speakers live was unbelievable. And extremely talented saving the intro from that hack c.o.d host.
My goodness, yes, I meant to mention that. THANK YOU TOTALBISCUIT, for saving that so naturally. Bravo!
That was not expected. I thought he was just bringing me up to ask a quick question before introducing the other casters but it became apparent that he was struggling. I'm not sure that roasting him a bit over CoD and such was the way to go but the crowd seemed ok with it.
Never seen anyone handling a live crowd like TB, just superb
This was the best SC2 tournament of all time. Production value-wise, MLG was crushed. The only thing I find lacking was not showing the players right after the games (OSL style); instead of watching the reaction of Hero after he won the first big tournament in his whole life we got to watch a splash screen and the commentators / crowd. I also enjoy camera shots *from* the crowd, because that way you can reallly understand how crazy wild (and loud!) their reaction towards Hero winning was.
Like this: And the crowd there was ten times smaller than yesterday's.
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I'm not really surprised that Dreamhack had so good concurrent stream numbers, mainly because of the timezone. Having the finals on saturday and on time when whole Europe AND people in NA can watch is a lot better than having finals on sunday night at 4 AM for europe (like MLG).
The only bad thing about Dreamhack was the crew, everyone was totally fucking clueless and it almost led to us missing the finals. Good thing we got in for free later.
I went to my first barcraft for the finals and I have to say that for me personally it was the best event yet. The atmosphere was so great at the barcraft and on the stream as well! Thx Dreamhack!
watched the vods now, really a pity that they played music so loud on the stream. The noise in there was incredible, too bad it wasn't heard that well in the vods.
great DH , i liked the couch idea. would be nice to have a little touchscreen coffee table so they can analyze the games with magic markers and stuff ! that would be the best
This was the best tourny i've watched from home for sure. The casters, the free quality , the format and the fact that the final was on the saturday was really awesome!
But for me what i liked the most compare to every other tournament was the casters couch between the game at the end. For the first time i was not going c'mon get those game restarted faster, in fact i would have take more talking between the games no problem!
The only laking thing was the camera choice between game, they didn't alway use the right one or took some time to change when different people were talking.
It might have been mentioned already, but I feel like the stream did a bad job catching the crowd volume, I was at the live event and the crowd was ear-blastingly loud. I just was surprised when I checked some clips today, the crowd sounds a lot less on the stream.
They still have a few minor things to work at that didn't work all that great during this event. Most important being probably the stability of the streams. Obviously having an event of this magnitude and having streams be as unreliable they were the first couple of days is anything but good. I don't know where the issues where, if it was twitch.tv being unprepared to handle the load, some issue on dreamhacks end or some routing issue in between that neither party could have predicted beforehand (I highly doubt it was a bandwidth issue in dreamhacks side ). But since it was fixed for the last day I assume they figured it out in the end and will be better prepared for the next time.
I felt that another issue was Totalbiscuit feeling a bit out of place in the casters couch between the games. I'm a huge TB fan but with the setup they had for the casters couch with taking turns analysing the game I felt he didn't add nearly as much as Day9, MrBitter and Apollo who are all very good analysts. Some people also brought out the hosting as an issue. I didn't actually watch that part myself since I don't usually enjoy those parts of any show. I do feel however that you could address both these issues by having Totalbiscuit hosting the even. He has one of the best announcing voices in all of esports casting, brings huge amounts of energy and is overall very articulate and well spoken. He could then transition into being a host of sorts in the casting couch, asking the other casters questions. I think this way would seem a little more organized and would help bring all casters into the roles they are the best at.
The last negative thing I can think about is the location. I know there's probably not anything anyone can do about this, I doubt dreamhack are going to change their venue after all these years, but Jönköping is just really quite a small town to host an event as big as this. For most people it will be quite a way to travel there and when you get there and when you get there the few hotels that can be found in the somewhat nearby area will almost certainly be fully booked which means that there will be no way for you to stay the night. Sadly this means that it's hard to attend the event unless you are also attending the LAN, which in my book is quite a shame. If they had hosted it in a bit bigger city like Stockholm or even Gothemburg I doubt there would have been a single free chair in that stadium. I realize that moving it is hardly an option, but one can still dream.
That's pretty much it for the negatives for me, the rest of the event was fan-bleeding-tastic. I'm not going to bother comparing if it was better or worse than other big events like the MLGs, IPL or NASL. I do think Dreamhack needs to be given some huge props for being innovators though. I feel like the other events are going with a quite similar formula of get casters, get booths, get a convention centre, get some hosts and then go ahead and run the event like that while trying to perfect that formula. Obviously there's nothing wrong with that and I've enjoyed all those events greatly.
Dreamhack however seems to really be pushing the limits though and being the ones that try to add additional features into the standard formula. This event they moved themselves into a big stadium, which was awesome and bringing in a whole new level of venues to esports. They added the caster couch making absolutely full use of all the great casters they brought there as well as making the dead time between games, that is usually quite dry and boring, almost as entertaining as the actual games. Even such a small thing as the heartbeat monitors adds another level of depth that I think we will see much more often after this event.
Obviously there were many more positive points than these, but those were the ones that stood out to me. As I said before though, pretty much everything except the three points I mentioned above was really great.
i don't think you can blame dreamhack for the issues with the stream,like day9 said sometimes you gotta count with mooses or people stumbling over cables o_O
this event was awesome, so awesome that they can hardly improve it!?
what do they want to do next? open-air? filling a soccer-stadium? unplugged?
- Twitch.tv is still a problem. It's simply not good enough to run a major tournament on, I can't remember a single tournament using twitch/justin that had no issues. - More (code S/A) koreans would have made the tourney more fun to watch for me personally. A couple of code A/B koreans, who then proceed to take the trophy home doesn't exactly make it feel like one of the 'highest' level tournament out there.
One of the best events so far for a viewer. My only real complaint would be that they have too many invited players and not enough from qualifications. It irks me that it must be so much more difficult for players trying to break through and its really quite destructive to the scene
Is it okay to post good and bad aswell? I'll take a shot
Good things:
-HQ Streams and lots of them -The pauses between the matches in the finals included something entertaining with the panel. -Mr.Bitter, what a guy! a GREAT addition to Tastosis and Day9. WAY better than having JP or DjWheat or whatever together with Day9. -Tastosis was there! Really appreciated! -Huge prizepool made the event even more interessting.
Bad things:
-Streams dying, having major issues at the first day making the event unwatchable was sad. -Totalbiscuit, I dont know why that guy is there, he is simply just not good enough. It's a silver league guy commentating pro-games. I find it pretty insulting sometimes towards other people that are so much better that could've had the job. - That Swedish Tejbz guy was a total flopp, cant entertain an audience with that accent, it's just NOT possible, people think it's some kind of a joke when he opens his mouth. - Not the biggest korean names were there, but some things cant be helped.
Overall a great event! MLG is a little better imo, but the open bracket they have on MLG and more korean invites makes it more interessting for some reason.
MLG has the longest pauses between games ive ever seen, stopped watching mlg streams many times during the events cause of constant spam of "im a retarded gold member" commerical that makes me wanna punch those guys in the face, And watching a crowd for 40min is not what i call fun. Dreamhacks have production going in on pauses between games. thats a big issue for me atleast during MLG compared to Dreamhack.
Games are Games and games are awsome, but i was at dreamhack finals live and i must say most awsome!
I didn't like all the downtime between games. 90% of the time I tuned into the stream, there weren't any games being played. I just got a lot of commercials.
I also didn't like how every time I got onto reddit someone was comparing dreamhack to "western tourneys" and saying how they needed to step it up. There really are a small number of tournaments altogether, you could really just drop the anti-american prejudice from the idea altogether and be more specific.
Other than that I liked everything about it. I would have enjoyed it a lot more if there were more korean players. I understand a lot of these European players are very talented, but I don't know much about them and I have a hard time relating to just the names.
Oh, and how awesome was Quake live!? That 2GD man... SO GOOD. I had never seen or played a game of quake in my life but the first flyover of the first map and the explaining of the power up spawns made it a very enjoyable experience.
Too bad that Tejbz guy kept on turning up on screen. Other than him it was the best SC2 event so far. (With MLG and IPL both hot on it's heels of course)
On November 28 2011 00:07 Gackt_ wrote: -Totalbiscuit, I dont know why that guy is there, he is simply just not good enough. It's a silver league guy commentating pro-games. I find it pretty insulting sometimes towards other people that are so much better that could've had the job.
At least get my league right if you're going to flame me and don't take offense on behalf of casters you don't know.
3 free 720+ HD streams with VODS afterwards. Everything on schedule. Great casters. Great music.
What could be better: Optional player POV would be awesome, at least in the final tournament. Reaction cam as in GSL. The format. I'm not that excited about double pool play. I suggest bigger initial groups and a and dual elimination tournament bracket. A dedicated host to speak and fill down time between matches.
I was there watching the event live, arriving on Friday (second group stage) and leaving right after the finals.
Friday
Pros: - Almost everything. We were very happy with Friday overall
Cons: - Only the casters currently casting on the main stage were really accessible to watch, Apollo/TBs cast was in the noisiest and smallest area at the site and the final caster pair were casting from a private room.
Saturday
Pros: - Dream arena was well built and worked well for watching the final games - DH staff did fix all the issues that on-site spectators had
Cons: - Not possible to watch any casts live until the semis, unless you wanted to stand in the chaos that was the Apollo/TB cast - Very little room around the players meant that all the people wanting to watch the games created a cramped crowd around them - Very hard to know what was going on, who were playing and what the score was when watching the players - In the dream arena, they had a tendency to shine very bright spotlights at the audience during the games, making it extremely hard to watch the big screen if you sat in the front (they did fix this however!)
Overall, I was happy with the event, but they need to try to have an area for people who are visiting to watch the casts, even if they just put up some monitors with the stream. We traveled down only for the SC2 event, and missing a large part of Saturday made us a bit cranky.
Also, if they have the finals in the same arena next yer, I will bring some warmer shoes. Sitting on ice, covered with only a thin carpet, meant my feet were frozen after 6 hours of sitting still.
Anyways, I would recommend people to visit these events if they have the chance. It's quite an experience, and staff tends to work hard with resolving any issues that pop up.
On November 28 2011 00:07 Gackt_ wrote: -Totalbiscuit, I dont know why that guy is there, he is simply just not good enough. It's a silver league guy commentating pro-games. I find it pretty insulting sometimes towards other people that are so much better that could've had the job. - That Swedish Tejbz guy was a total flopp, cant entertain an audience with that accent, it's just NOT possible, people think it's some kind of a joke when he opens his mouth.
These are the only two things I disagree with. Caster taste is subjective etc so I can't really tell you your opinion is objectively wrong, and I couldn't put it any better than TB himself 3 posts above me.
The reason Tejb was really bad was not because of his accent. It was because he knew nothing about the game or even the names of the casters, hadn't prepared at all, is awkward, tries to be funny and fails and just gives the impression of being a douchebag. Again, not because of his accent.
On November 27 2011 21:53 Mpq wrote: Totalbiscuit. Hearing this guys voice in those speakers live was unbelievable. And extremely talented saving the intro from that hack c.o.d host.
My goodness, yes, I meant to mention that. THANK YOU TOTALBISCUIT, for saving that so naturally. Bravo!
That was not expected. I thought he was just bringing me up to ask a quick question before introducing the other casters but it became apparent that he was struggling. I'm not sure that roasting him a bit over CoD and such was the way to go but the crowd seemed ok with it.
That sounds epic, is there a youtube clip of this?
Also TB, the "ARE YOU REEEEAADDDY FOR THE FFFFIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALS?" was AWESOME! Seriously got me so pumped.
I were there and the sound of the crowd on VODs doesn't really do it justice. It was incredibly loud and i was impressed the casters were able to talk at all at times.
It's also unfortunate they didn't get a good view on the crowd as well since they mostly filmed those seats that were "closed". This is how it really looked and felt: http://imgur.com/a/bRLcX Note it's packed on the upper left as well.
I had constant chills and adrenaline during the finals it was awesome!
On November 27 2011 23:41 Clarityxo wrote: 2GD to host the next one, apart from that DreamHack was fucking superb. I'm going to try and make the trip for DH Summer.
This. As many have pointed out, the host was kind of awkward. Get 2GD and the event would be perfect.
On November 28 2011 00:17 TERRANLOL wrote: I didn't like all the downtime between games. 90% of the time I tuned into the stream, there weren't any games being played. I just got a lot of commercials.
90 % herooooowww. Dunno when you watched, but they had 3 streams running with 1 hour for each match. There maybe was a max of 10min/h? I was just about to write that I it was so much content...
If i could pick one thing they hopefully could implement for their next big event would be to be able to watch all the 3 streams at the same time(MLG did quad-view on providence which i completely loved). I liked all the caster combo's and that meant that only criteria on matches i would watch would be the actual players i wanted to watch. I knew i would get quality casting from any of the casters.
On November 28 2011 00:07 Gackt_ wrote: -Totalbiscuit, I dont know why that guy is there, he is simply just not good enough. It's a silver league guy commentating pro-games. I find it pretty insulting sometimes towards other people that are so much better that could've had the job.
At least get my league right if you're going to flame me and don't take offense on behalf of casters you don't know.
For the record, you (TB) stood for the best commentary in my opinion. The first semi in the arena was the best experience for me, thanks to you and Apollo doing excellent work but also the other guys working well together in the sofa. I'm not saying you're perfect, I feel that your "level" varies the most of all the commentators: sometimes spectacular, sometimes awkward.
Overall I loved the event. Streams were a bit buggy during the first days.
Yea loved this tournament was the best viewing experience for a tournament for me so far. All because the awesome couch discussions and FREE1080P YEAH big props to dreamhack!
edit: btw i think TB is a great caster, he might not have the game knowledge of some of the other casters but he's certanily more comfortable on stage and you can notice that.
On November 28 2011 00:07 Gackt_ wrote: -Totalbiscuit, I dont know why that guy is there, he is simply just not good enough. It's a silver league guy commentating pro-games. I find it pretty insulting sometimes towards other people that are so much better that could've had the job.
At least get my league right if you're going to flame me and don't take offense on behalf of casters you don't know.
For the record, you (TB) stood for the best commentary in my opinion. The first semi in the arena was the best experience for me, thanks to you and Apollo doing excellent work but also the other guys working well together in the sofa. I'm not saying you're perfect, I feel that your "level" varies the most of all the commentators: sometimes spectacular, sometimes awkward.
Overall I loved the event. Streams were a bit buggy during the first days.
TB presenting players and pumping up crowd. Crowd reaches mass hysteria and full euphoria. That voice and passion is his strenght. Analyzing games in the couch inbetween games is not so much a strenght for you. Specially not next to day9, bitter and apollo or artosis. Which we all know got sick analyzing skills. Great job casting in game.
This was the best online SC2-tournament experience of the year.
Free high-quality streams, which had some lag/downtime issues the first couple of days but in the end was solved and wasn't that big of a deal, considering all the vods were up fast and free.
Tournament format was easy to follow, once you got liquipedia in a tab.
The final day was what made it great for me. The setup on-stage with all the casters, production value was that of an MSL/OSL (well, not exactly but they used what they could, i.e. an awesome intro just for the finals and the players entering the arena like bosses)
The only thing I will complain about is the choice of host for the finals, I understand if he was new to this, everybody has a first time. But this guy was being a dick, more than once. Oh and the music wasn't that great either, not a big problem but it would have been more epic if it was a better pick.
-Totalbiscuit, I dont know why that guy is there, he is simply just not good enough. It's a silver league guy commentating pro-games. I find it pretty insulting sometimes towards other people that are so much better that could've had the job.
I think totalbiscuit does his job very well. The fact of the matter is few people can keep the same sheer rate of pace and excitement of commentary up that he does and when you have D'apollo, Day9 and Artosis in the same room you hardly need another analytical caster. He builds hype and he does it well.
The best e-sports tournament so far hands down. It was so awesome... wow :D
+Good Trying to break barriers and come up with new stuff, such as heart beat monitor! ~4000 people in a hockey stadium watching Starcraft 2 with SICK hype videos, SICK music and good lighting in a sick set up :D The final didnt have a SINGLE commercial break either! This is really cool. 3 720p+ _FREE_ Starcraft streams (and many other streams, for HoN and other tournaments) Great casters - Tastosis, Day9, Apollo, MrBitter, TotalBiscuit The side coach between-games commentary! Sickest countdown timer until it started, also good with the "Boxer style walk in" to music. The game format - I think the format was very fair, no extended series or even "playoff seeds" - each player in the tournament started off on the same level. It was not the case that one player had played a total of 55 games and another just 12
-Improvements? "The host" did a bad job, he was not in sync with others at all - better to let 2GD / Day9 / _ to take care of it imo : ) Maybe DreamHack can cooperate with swedish TV for an international stream and show all the english stuff and not just for the swedish one? I think it would be far more optimal than justin/twitch.tv - ALSO: SVT (Swedish TV) can then take care of all the camera work - different shots etc.
I don't know - dont think it can get much better : ), just more synchronization with everyone involved possibly
Dreamhack being awesome as usual! Many thanks, such a shame I am working abroad but I will deffo attend next year :D
(however, the stream experience is so good anyway, so it doesn't really matter)
The best thing about DH is that they keep coming up with new and interesting things(pulse meter, stadium, fan support) and the production quality is sooooo good.
I watched a bit of the vod, especially the moment when hero won, and the stream didn't really make it justice on the craziness of being in the middle of the cheers right there. I can recommend everyone to go to future events live if you get the chance to.
My seat in the arena was pretty bad tbh, had a hard time seeing the minimap due to a camera being in the way. Ended up going back in to watch from my computer. Too bad, cause it was really fun with all the cheering and so on. I also couldn't see the minerals and food count, but that was because of my poor eyesight. It was still really great to watch at my computer, especially during the semifinals and finals. Lots of people were cheering whenever someone did something awesome, and others who didn't watch joined in in the cheering just cause that's what happens at dreamhack.
The SC2 tournament was great in my opinion, but there were some issues with the lan in general. Too little space in the sleeping place this year, and it kinda sucks that even tough the internet connection is 120Gb the switches are a measly 100Mb. My internet at home is faster. However being with your friends at great events like this makes up for all the small flaws. Hopefully next year I won't catch a cold the day it starts.
The lights. DreamHack lit up the finals like no other. It was incredible. If any tournament wants to live up to the intensity of DreamHack's finals, that's something that can't be ignored.
I was there and I really did not like the host at all either(as other mentioned). He made it feel awkward, turned his back to the camera and crowd etc. When I saw that 2gd was there, I just asked myself why they didn't let him host it. Would be better to have an experienced person for such a big thing like this, the host was really the only downside for this event.
Other than that it was a really awesome experience for me. (My body was literally shaking because I got so damn hyped before the finals and when hero won). Just gotta say that it was really sweet as well that they had 3 bigscreens. One with the normal caster-view and 2 first person player-views.
The Hype or atmosphere was great.Great music especially for the intros. The freaking commentator couch to legit man. Good tournament, props to the audience great energy.
The translator was okay, but I wish he matched the hype with his translation.
The host? Omg the host..."Awesome shoutcasting from.....er Awesome shoutcasters" So awkward.
The game schedule was great, it was basically one game after another on all 3 streams. Big props to all the casters who actually casted more than 12 hours of games everyday. <3 I couldn't even last that long just watching the stream only.
Looking forward to the next dreamhack, hope it will be as awesome as this one.
On November 27 2011 18:21 tarodotoxin wrote: i loved it when artosis made fun of Apollo when he didnt know his and tastless' mics were still kinda on hahah hella laughed
On November 27 2011 21:44 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Additionally, I could also hear casters speaking after handing it over to others from time to time, such as Artosis talking about what Sean was doing when Day[9], Mr. Bitter, d.Apollo and TotalBiscuit were on the couch or when Sean was starting to interview Hero at the end (with the loud music; there were some instances of other casters not muting their microphones too). Does someone at Dreamhack need to disable their microphones for them a little more quickly or is it up to the casters and they're just not always remembering in time?
From what I could notice from the 4th row, it was the Dreamhack production team that screwed up with the microphones. I don't think the casters could actually manually mute their microphones. I noticed this a lot too. And the cutting between cameras was horrible.
Well, being a Norwegian living 7 hours away from Elmia (the place where they have Dreamhack, it's a conference hall in Jonkoping) I just had to go.
To summarize, it was awesome. I watched some of the games at the TB/Apollo scene, loved seeing how Apollo is a very "moving" person, he just can't sit still when he's commentating, always moving his arms and looking everywhere, really intense - perhaps one of the reasons he is becoming one of the casters with best insight to the current metagame.
The DreamArena with Bitter and Shaun was also awesome, they always kept talking to the crowd in between matches, doing the fusion core dance, smiling and winking when being taken pictures of etc.
The important thing to note was that the players could just casually walk around and not get approached by everyone all the time. Sure, TLO and WhiteRa got swarmed, but a part from that everyone just walked around in their own worlds, smiling and having a good time. The group matches were all played in the eSports-hall next to loads of other gamers with their own pcs, but it was a nice setup, and close to the awesome Twitch.tv players lounge (which I visited as my press band gave me access). The way they did signings also was pretty impressive.
The only flaw I could find being there was that Artosis and Tasteless (while I was there) kept sitting in a room isolated from the rest of the event casting. So I didn't get to close to Artosis as I would have liked. Me no gusta...
All in all, awesome event. Also I missed Teeler there, seeing as every other TL-member signed my TL-jersey.
On November 28 2011 00:36 Twitchzor wrote: I were there and the sound of the crowd on VODs doesn't really do it justice. It was incredibly loud and i was impressed the casters were able to talk at all at times.
It's also unfortunate they didn't get a good view on the crowd as well since they mostly filmed those seats that were "closed". This is how it really looked and felt: http://imgur.com/a/bRLcX Note it's packed on the upper left as well.
I had constant chills and adrenaline during the finals it was awesome!
From a stream viewers point of view the bright lights on the audience during camera overviews seemed rather unprofessional to be honest and I'm guessing it didn't exactly help with getting the audience going either.
There were some sound issues as well like messing up the levels on the music and most importantly that it didn't really sound like an arena with thousands of people in the audience during and between the games.
From reading their site they've hit over 10000 lan gamers and 200000 visitors on dreamhack events. From watching the sc2 streams did you get the impression that it was an event of that size?
There are probably thousands of details a decent TV production company would have done differently, take the colors, lightning etc on the stage for example. But I assume they simply can't afford having a real TV production company handle 3 days of broadcasting and production(yet).
What they probably could fix if they wanted to is their site. If people read about this huge event called dreamhack in the newspaper or whatever and google their site they wont even notice that a dreamhack event is going on let alone find any live streams. No esport event sites are amazing but dreamhacks site ...
All in all I was more or less stuck at the computer for 3 days
- During last day (but the semi- + grand finals) there were no where to sit and watch the games in a good way. The days before they were casting in the "DreamArena", almost filling 1k seats all day long. The last day only two caster pairs were casting at the same time. One pair in a closed room with no audience. The second one at the dApollo/TB stage, which was in the exhibitor area (insane noise!) and really small, only having tops 100 people. The experience from the last day but the finals must have been much better from home. Felt sucky!
- The camera switching and audio muting in the Kinnarps Arena. The Stockholm invitational was a much tighter produciton.
I actually like the down time between games, especially if everything runs on schedule, that way I don't lose my whole weekend on Starcraft and get some work/study done.
And I love you, TotalBiscuit, but I think you should lose the hat man, go for the professional look. I love your cast, it may lack a bit on the technical side, but you more than make up for it with the build up of emotion and excitement.
The one thing I feel we need to find a solution for is the interviews with korean players. Maybe some realtime subtitles or something, I don't know... The way it breaks away from that moment of exciment, everyone is pumped, and then we're thrown into this awkward silence... But even the UFC has that. It's kind of an unsolvable problem.
Just get them to memorize some stuff. "He really tough, very good ggs! I really happy with win today for fans! I love Sweden! Thank you, Sean Plott!"
Possibly the best western esports event thus far, pretty much everything was superb. The only drawback was the twitch.tv didn't seem to be able to handle the very large amount of viewers and as such lagged for a lot of people. Why not host the stream yourself if you have 120Gbit?
The ginger head tejbz as a presenter, not sure what you were thinking there. Lets just leave it with saying he wasn't good. The music was also very nice, except for that generic beat song when the winner stept on stage.
But yeah, the event was awesome to say the least. Was fun with some QL and SF4 thrown in to broaden peoples horizons. Both make for good games to watch even if you are not into them. CS in the middle of the broadcasts would have been awful, as it is such as slow game which is very difficult to appreciate unless you yourself play it.
This has been said already by many others, however, I feel the need to add yet another voice to the crowd. The casters couch was absolutely phenomenal. From both an analytic and an entertainment point of view, it added so much, It was nice to hear the friendly banter back and forth between the casters, and the multiple viewpoints really added to my understanding of the game.
On November 28 2011 00:17 TERRANLOL wrote: I didn't like all the downtime between games. 90% of the time I tuned into the stream, there weren't any games being played. I just got a lot of commercials.
90 % herooooowww. Dunno when you watched, but they had 3 streams running with 1 hour for each match. There maybe was a max of 10min/h? I was just about to write that I it was so much content...
Admittedly it's a bit of an exaggeration, but not by too much. Part of the problem was that switching between streams was actually quite a bit of a burden for me because of the storm of commercials and the instability of my internet at my parent's house. (Watching it at my dorm room would have been a much better experience) For some reason every time I switched streams, the internet would disconnect and I would have to reconfigure it. On a single stream, there was not that much content. The second problem that made the former even worse was that they didn't say when the next match was going to be on the stream. It was just blankness. At MLG they say "Player 1 vs Player 2 will happen at XX:XX time" and then I know, so the wait time in between isn't so bad because I know what to expect timewise.
Again, it was a great tournament and I don't want to rag on it too much, but I think there are some very practical things that could be fixed.
EDIT: I liked the music a lot too. I thought it was much better than the music they use at MLG.
but I think I also think it would've been more dramatic and interesting if more korean players were in the fray.
On November 28 2011 03:07 Paladia wrote: On a side note, I got confirmation from a Dreamhack admin that tejbz (the ginger head presenter) won't make an appearance on DH ever again.
On November 28 2011 03:07 Paladia wrote: On a side note, I got confirmation from a Dreamhack admin that tejbz (the ginger head presenter) won't make an appearance on DH ever again.
On November 27 2011 18:21 tarodotoxin wrote: i loved it when artosis made fun of Apollo when he didnt know his and tastless' mics were still kinda on hahah hella laughed
Well i basically missed the entire event due to horrible stream lag, which apparently was fixed for alot of people on day 3 but not for all, me being one of them, and going by the stream chats etc there was ALOT of people in the same boat. Had to watch the VOD's as they came out, not really the same thing as watching a live stream with thousands of other people. So seriously DH, don't ever use Twitch.tv for this again, this shit happened at the last Dreamhack too, and still no fix for the lag.
And to the person saying that we should roll with Twitch just because it worked for the majority, how much of a selfish twat can you be? Yeah let's leave it as it is where a huge amount of people are not able to watch the streams instead of fixing it everyone can watch derp.
Lag issues aside, it looked like a great event. The stadium was awesome.
On November 28 2011 02:44 GabrielB wrote:And I love you, TotalBiscuit, but I think you should lose the hat man, go for the professional look.
I wholeheartedly disagree, TB and that hat are one.
On November 28 2011 02:44 GabrielB wrote:And I love you, TotalBiscuit, but I think you should lose the hat man, go for the professional look.
He was neatly dressed and wearing a top hat. This is like people who instantly hate longer haired guys when they see them, like people disliking others either for their looks or presentation, when really, there's too much of everyone having to be the same. Why is super short hair more professional? Simply because people are most used to it? Tejbz was probably dressed reasonably enough, but that shouldn't excuse his rude and atrociously slack attitude toward casting (nothing much to say as well as zero knowledge, which shows lack of efot put into preparation). TB's top hat is part of his character and part (even if only a small one) of what has made him become well known. People create an image and become popular with it only for random others to come along and say "but that perfectly innocent dress sense that is also neat seems unprofessional to me". :/ I don't like 50BD (SoBad, commonly also represented somehow as "2GD"), but it's true that for all his low-grade and unoriginal humour, he's at least a lot more casual or comfortable (as in not awkward) and would have been a much safer choice for the host. Day[9] is great, but he has to cast too. Sweden's a pretty big heavily populated country though, you'd think they'd have conducted interviews for the position and been able to judge whether a person is popular and a good choice, or actually just a git who can't even be his supposedly "cool, hip pimp self" (WTF?! People were saying these sorts of things about him in Tejbz's music video) on stage in front of a crowd of nerds, yet he seems to have a huge following in the gaming community with his youtube videos.
i love and loved DH, watched almost all games! Fantastic but i have 2 or 3 small things they could improve.
1. More casting teams or more switching between them ( it was hard for casters and for viewers as well near the end after 14 hours of casting - the previous system from DH summer i liked better
2. Seedings and groups / playoff drawing. THE DRAW MUST be LIVE ON STREAM!!!! It is near as much fun as games!
3. No stream of 1st game between Ret / Nerchio (its playoff and playing without stream?)
Everything else was almost perfect - still looking for some nice improvements on DH Summer
I really loved their 3 cast and all the casters (who doesn't ) and even when there was a break on the stream, they played really good or funny music. MLG should really improve on their stream downtime and become a bit more like dreamhack in that aspect.
Second the caster couch was just brilliant! It was really great to have some commentary/analysis between the games from people differing from the actual casters!
Then I have to say the grand finals at DH were better than all grand finals at MLG combined. Due to their system, one player always has an advantage, where in contrast yesterday, there were two totally equal opponents fighting for the title.
Last but not least I really liked the two group stages instead of one since there were even more opportunities to the see the players play.
All in all I can only say that DH was a mindblowing event and I am already looking forward to 2012!
I'm generally quite sceptic when it comes to TotalBiscuit but I think he did his best tournament thus far. He has become more humble and listens to the expert voice of Apollo more, his camera controls were excellent, very smooth, not to jumpy yet managed to catch the action most of the time. As such, this was a big step up for him.
On November 28 2011 03:35 ChowChillaCharlie wrote: And to the person saying that we should roll with Twitch just because it worked for the majority, how much of a selfish twat can you be?
No streaming service works for everyone and will never do. People preferring services that works for the majority of people is anything but "selfish twats".
Yes, this was one of the best tournaments i've seen, but nearly all SC2 tournaments have been great so far. Last MLGs, GSLs, some IEM events and all the Dreamhacks, nothing to complain about
A small tip for next tournament: although MrBitter and Day9 worked fine as a combo, i would suggest getting four caster combos (fe. Tastosis, Day9 & a European pro (fe. Hasuobs), MrBitter & RotterdaM and TB & Apollo) and doing some switcharoo, all the casters were too heavily burdened during the event and some relief would be welcome to them.
Other than that: one of the best tournaments i've watched. A European guy in the finals would've been great, but both PuMa and HerO certainly deserved to be in the Grand Finals!
On November 28 2011 03:50 Paladia wrote: I'm generally quite sceptic when it comes to TotalBiscuit but I think he did his best tournament thus far. He has become more humble and listens to the expert voice of Apollo more, his camera controls were excellent, very smooth, not to jumpy yet managed to catch the action most of the time. As such, this was a big step up for him.
I think so, too. You can clearly see significant progression in terms of chemistry- given the amount of casting experience they now have gathered as a combo. I think all three duo's had a special flavor in their own right and were almost equally highly enjoyable. That said, Tastosis I feel have again outdone themselves But overall big kudos to everyone involved, especially with the casting marathon of the first two days.
On November 27 2011 23:04 WightyCity wrote: great DH , i liked the couch idea. would be nice to have a little touchscreen coffee table so they can analyze the games with magic markers and stuff ! that would be the best
Oh hell yes! Something like in hockey between periods a expert commentator draws out some great play. Damn, getting chills thinking of day9 inbetween games drawing out on a big screen how a player held of a insane allin, this is where e-sports are headed right? And it dosen't seem all that far away anymore after this dreamhack!
But there was some bad.. or shall we say one bad thing. Never have that Tejbz guy anywhere near esports again, he acutally almost ruined this otherwise great event for me. When he was asking that Quake Live player about how soon after an event he gets laid or something like that, first the player thougt he was joking but he just kept asking... I had to stop watching untill he wasent on the stream anymore.
Everything about this tournament was awesome except cutting to other games' tournaments. I realize it was probably partly due to venue logistics but I would rather be able to follow the story of one tournament straight through and then choose whether to watch other games.
But let me say it again, everything else about this tournament was awesome! Loved the stream quality, loved the caster couch, loved the selection of players and the tournament format, loved the quality of the games. Keep up the good work!
On November 27 2011 23:04 WightyCity wrote: great DH , i liked the couch idea. would be nice to have a little touchscreen coffee table so they can analyze the games with magic markers and stuff ! that would be the best
Oh hell yes! Something like in hockey between periods a expert commentator draws out some great play. Damn, getting chills thinking of day9 inbetween games drawing out on a big screen how a player held of a insane allin, this is where e-sports are headed right? And it dosen't seem all that far away anymore after this dreamhack!
But there was some bad.. or shall we say one bad thing. Never have that Tejbz guy anywhere near esports again, he acutally almost ruined this otherwise great event for me. When he was asking that Quake Live player about how soon after an event he gets laid or something like that, first the player thougt he was joking but he just kept asking... I had to stop watching untill he wasent on the stream anymore.
I only see one problem. They would need to get the replay ASAP. Load it. Load the full replay. Its 2-3 minutes minimum. In that time players would be already ready for the next map.
On November 28 2011 05:13 MetalLobster wrote: Whoever thought of the caster couch is a genius! Great tournament overall, I don't think I have anything bad to say about it.
uh huh! the caster couch is really great.. instead of having 2 casters trying their best to fill the time between games, we have 4 different casters doing it. and it's amazing to have different POV each of them. d'apollo said something that enlightened me -- something about keeping 2 zealots and then warping in 4 more, then sending 6 zealots to the terran base to fake a 6 gate attack, when in fact HerO went DT rush.. wouldn't have thought about these minute metagame details!
Good stream, it didt lag for me , just got a blackscreen one time. Had 1080p+ on all three streams whole day first two days.. Then finals was also awesome, tobad they didt show'd some games from first day, think Tastless had to rest because of hes eye. Cant wait to 2012!
Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Awesome event, i enjoyed it more than MLG providence tbh, i know there wasn't as many as ultra top korean players but at the same time, the games were great.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right?
If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Fabricating numbers sounds like a working model for esports, but it is probably all streams (not only SC2) or views (not unique viewers).
I am somewhat curious about how common barcrafts are. Either it's a fractional error in viewership or a rather notable one. 500k sounds unlikley though.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Fabricating numbers sounds like a working model for esports, but it is probably all streams (not only SC2) or views (not unique viewers).
Yeah exactly. Even if it was a combined number of all streams not including SC2, it's incredibly unlikely that 500k people were watching at the same time.
In all likelihood they counted the number of streams opened in some small time period to get the figure, so the true number would be around 100-150k which is far more reasonable. This is how some streaming companies (I know from 1st hand experience) measure it. Pick the time when you expect the most tuning in, and then in a 10 minute gap start counting. It's not accurate but it uses far less resources and gives you the best looking figure. Of course if there are reasons for people to refresh (lag) or multiple streams per person, you don't really have a figure that's worth anything.
It's worth noting that these numbers are what DH uses to show potential sponsors and drive future contracts, so there is no way they're being perfectly upfront and honest. It would be absolutely foolish to do so. There's a reason content producers tend to skew the figures, the perfect example being box office sales -- ticket prices have more than doubled along with a dramatic population increase, so box office sales are really completely meaningless in terms of a film's success compared to the past. They still use it though since it sounds good.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right?
If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Fabricating numbers sounds like a working model for esports, but it is probably all streams (not only SC2) or views (not unique viewers).
Yeah exactly. Even if it was a combined number of all streams not including SC2, it's incredibly unlikely that 500k people were watching at the same time.
In all likelihood they counted the number of streams opened in some small time period to get the figure, so the true number would be around 100-150k which is far more reasonable. It's worth noting that these numbers are what DH uses to show potential sponsors and drive future contracts, so there is no way they're being perfectly upfront and honest. It would be absolutely foolish to do so. There's a reason content producers tend to skew the figures, the perfect example being box office sales -- ticket prices have more than doubled along with a dramatic population increase, so box office sales are really completely meaningless in terms of a film's success compared to the past. They still use it though since it sounds good.
There is a problem tho, every tournament has its own way of counting. So would be nice if Dreamhack returned with a more indepth post about streamfigures (like in the past). The numbers from other Dreamhacks have been very to the point and "non sugar".
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right?
If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
Counter-Strike stream Heroes of Newerth stream
Were the numbers on either of those over 50k? If Dota was only around 10k, I really don't see how those could be much higher. That said, I don't have the figures and I guess they could have both hit ~100k each?
Anyways, I feel like I've made my point. It's great to see that tourneys are growing, but it does still suck that none of them release completely honest and accurate figures. That said, a tournament would have to be run by idiots to actually do that seeing as it would cost them sponsorship money.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right?
If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
Counter-Strike stream Heroes of Newerth stream
Were the numbers on either of those over 50k? If Dota was only around 10k, I really don't see how those could be much higher. That said, I don't have the figures and I guess they could have both hit ~100k each?
Anyways, I feel like I've made my point. It's great to see that tourneys are growing, but it does still suck that none of them release completely honest and accurate figures. That said, a tournament would have to be run by idiots to actually do that seeing as it would cost them sponsorship money.
Kind of like pissing yourself, nice and warm to start with but it gets cold mighty fast. Sponsors are not stupid, esports isn't the first team that comes and pushes great streaming numbers infront of them. Many sponsors at dreamhack makes a living working those numbers on a daily basis.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right?
If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
Counter-Strike stream Heroes of Newerth stream
Were the numbers on either of those over 50k? If Dota was only around 10k, I really don't see how those could be much higher. That said, I don't have the figures and I guess they could have both hit ~100k each?
Anyways, I feel like I've made my point. It's great to see that tourneys are growing, but it does still suck that none of them release completely honest and accurate figures. That said, a tournament would have to be run by idiots to actually do that seeing as it would cost them sponsorship money.
Kind of like pissing yourself, nice and warm to start with but it gets cold mighty fast. Sponsors are not stupid, esports isn't the first team that comes and pushes great streaming numbers infront of them. Many sponsors at dreamhack makes a living working those numbers on a daily basis.
Are you arguing that the stats aren't padded? Why would someone not pad the stats?
Note that I'm not saying any tournament is lying. I'm simply saying they look at all their measurements and use the one which yields the highest result. Of course this number may not (and probably isn't) all that accurate, but it looks the best. The same thing happens in television and every day in business/government. Budget outlooks are never truly honest. The same applies to revenue reports. If there's a loophole that lets you make yourself look better, you take it.
And yes, sponsors know not to trust the given figures completely. That's why being completely honest would be a terrible plan. If Intel's marketing team always assumes the figures they receive are inflated and DH sent them uninflated ones, DH would automatically be at a disadvantage since Intel would by default ignore a lot of those numbers.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
The figures in the OP:
Concurrent viewers, average peak: 212,003 Concurrent viewers, highest peak: 559,664 Unique video views: 23,047,554 Absolute unique viewers: 17,332,113 Total Viewing Time (hours): 169,320 hours
... have not been confirmed. These figures are from a brand new Reddit account with no official confirmation from DreamHack.
We have no idea if these stats are correct or if it is just some random guy who made that account and decided to troll with the DreamHack stats.
This summer DH had 1.5 Million Unique Viewers, 3M if you include the LoL stream. So basically this means that they have increased it to 17M which seems very unlikely.
The best thing is to wait for an official release from DreamHack that will come in the upcoming days. Then we know how popular the whole event was. DH is a fantastic event and they always have amazing stream numbers, so even though it will not be 17M it will be amazing stats.
One little tinny thing that i loved was the music.. i know everything else was 10x as great as the music, but i loved this little tiny detail when nothing else was going on (not too often), and also the black overlay on top cheering "Herlo! Hero! Hero!" was pretty pretty nice.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Concurrent viewers, average peak: 212,003 Concurrent viewers, highest peak: 559,664 Unique video views: 23,047,554 Absolute unique viewers: 17,332,113 Total Viewing Time (hours): 169,320 hours
... have not been confirmed. These figures are from a brand new Reddit account with no official confirmation from DreamHack.
We have no idea if these stats are correct or if it is just some random guy who made that account and decided to troll with the DreamHack stats.
This summer DH had 1.5 Million Unique Viewers, 3M if you include the LoL stream. So basically this means that they have increased it to 17M which seems very unlikely.
The best thing is to wait for an official release from DreamHack that will come in the upcoming days. Then we know how popular the whole event was. DH is a fantastic event and they always have amazing stream numbers, so even though it will not be 17M it will be amazing stats.
Yeah and there's no way there isn't growth. Just look at the scale of the event compared to previous ones. My only concern is that we aren't getting a true representation of "success" in esports since every tourney puts out these numbers that sound ridiculous (oftentimes through unofficial channels like a tweet or forum post).
Unique viewers sounds awesome to show off, but does that actually mean viewers or people who clicked the link? If MLG gets frontpaged on Reddit, easily several 100k people will click the link. Does that mean they watched it? Of course not, but they might still be counted as viewers.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
I think stats are wrong
i wouldnt be surprised if it was 1/3 of that (given that most people probably had all three streams open at same time)
im not sure how barcrafts were counted though. as that is like 1 viewer recorded, but like 300 people watching.
On November 27 2011 23:04 WightyCity wrote: great DH , i liked the couch idea. would be nice to have a little touchscreen coffee table so they can analyze the games with magic markers and stuff ! that would be the best
Oh hell yes! Something like in hockey between periods a expert commentator draws out some great play. Damn, getting chills thinking of day9 inbetween games drawing out on a big screen how a player held of a insane allin, this is where e-sports are headed right? And it dosen't seem all that far away anymore after this dreamhack!
But there was some bad.. or shall we say one bad thing. Never have that Tejbz guy anywhere near esports again, he acutally almost ruined this otherwise great event for me. When he was asking that Quake Live player about how soon after an event he gets laid or something like that, first the player thougt he was joking but he just kept asking... I had to stop watching untill he wasent on the stream anymore.
I only see one problem. They would need to get the replay ASAP. Load it. Load the full replay. Its 2-3 minutes minimum. In that time players would be already ready for the next map.
They already have a video-feed from the players computer, it would be handled the same way they do in sports, just have someone cue and cut to the right point in the video, no need to deal with Blizzard's horrible replay system
On November 27 2011 18:21 tarodotoxin wrote: i loved it when artosis made fun of Apollo when he didnt know his and tastless' mics were still kinda on hahah hella laughed
Anyone know where I can see a video of this? If not, what did Artosis say? Thanks.
Great event. Good production value, the audio on the vods isn't working optimally for me though. It seems to switch between loud er to a softer tone which was just a minor annoyance.
On November 28 2011 00:07 Gackt_ wrote: -Totalbiscuit, I dont know why that guy is there, he is simply just not good enough. It's a silver league guy commentating pro-games. I find it pretty insulting sometimes towards other people that are so much better that could've had the job.
At least get my league right if you're going to flame me and don't take offense on behalf of casters you don't know.
For the record, you (TB) stood for the best commentary in my opinion. The first semi in the arena was the best experience for me, thanks to you and Apollo doing excellent work but also the other guys working well together in the sofa. I'm not saying you're perfect, I feel that your "level" varies the most of all the commentators: sometimes spectacular, sometimes awkward.
Overall I loved the event. Streams were a bit buggy during the first days.
TB presenting players and pumping up crowd. Crowd reaches mass hysteria and full euphoria. That voice and passion is his strenght. Analyzing games in the couch inbetween games is not so much a strenght for you. Specially not next to day9, bitter and apollo or artosis. Which we all know got sick analyzing skills. Great job casting in game.
I could not agree more on the casting couch point. I did not feel comfortable there at all with presentation honestly. We bullshited a lot between games and had fun but when it came to post-game, I felt left out. It was not their fault, it was mine, I had nothing to offer that they couldn't. 3 of the best analysts in the world and then me? What can I give in that situation? I wish I could have hosted the event, even if I sort of did by accident at the start, I can offer other services that don't make my weaknesses as a part-time caster obvious. I also think they should limit it to a max of 3 on the couch at any time due to the fact that at least one person often got very little airtime. While we were casting, I noticed MrBitter had difficulty getting a word in edgeways.
That sounds epic, is there a youtube clip of this?
Also TB, the "ARE YOU REEEEAADDDY FOR THE FFFFIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALS?" was AWESOME! Seriously got me so pumped.
Was there, only watched the finals on stream though. That and almost knocking genius over when I accidently bumped in to him is the only contact I had with sc2 during the event, there's just so much else to do there xD quake live .. fuck yeah
Day9 and MrBitter on the Happy vs ToD game that went for an hour and 14 minutes, you could really tell how exhausted the casters sounded, they need more rest!! However Day9 and Bitter were so funny in that game
Wish I had one of those great seats at MLG!! Two days of standing while people saved the few seats there were.....really wrecked my legs & back. If SC2 wants anyone over 30 - they better get some seats like DreamHack. They also had the casters out front and others doing discussion in between matches. So many things were done better.
Day9 & Mr. Bitter were so incredibly nice to follow, best casting duo, I've seen so far And then all the games etc. it was just one great tournament, loved the european timezone aswell :D No staying up till 6 in the morning definitly improves the viewfun :D
On November 28 2011 18:20 Ninjahoe wrote: Stop complaining about dreamhack using illegal music when you obviously know nothing about it. 99% sure DH use Spotify.
No more craptalking now ty.
They are not complaining about them playing pirated music. They are complaining about dreamhack not having a liscense to play their music on site and stream. BTW, it has already been answered by Dreamhack staff that they got the proper liscense.
I just love how Totalbiscuit handled Tejbz, I can't stand Tebjz at all. What was he thinking with all his sexual jokes? They do not fit in an eSports arena.
All the casters and players did amazing.
Edit: I missed the intro but I watched the finals on site. Watching the VoD now, Totalbiscuit should have hosted it.
On November 28 2011 05:42 Cereb wrote: Over 500.000 concurrent viewers as peak?!?! Are you F****** S****** me?! That is so amazing! I am so happy ! ;D
Is this for real?!
Starcraft 2 on a stadium with half a mill concurrent viewers online?? You realise how few compititions actually get these numbers apart from the very top of sports competition?! This is incredible ! :D
Finals was only around 70k when I was watching on the English stream so there's no way that number is accurate. Either the 500k figure was fabricated or the stats are very misleading.
Don´t forget that the games also were shown on swedish national television, SVT.
Yeah but even then 500k is way too high. SC2 was drawing the most viewers by far of all the games, so assuming around 120k total are through stream views (which is actually probably too high anyways, since the finals peak for Dota 2 was ~10k and SC2 was ~70k, with another 10k on Day9), 350k+ would have to be watching on SVT. Now I'm not Swedish so correct me if I'm wrong, but SVT operates several channels and DH was not being broadcast on their main ones, right?
If it was, I guess the figure could be accurate. If not, there's no way. Sweden isn't really that big in terms of population and 3-5% of Sweden was not watching DH.
Dreamhack are usually pretty good with releasing accurate numbers. The dreamhack admin basically flamed MLG for releasing what he felt was deceiving numbers after second to last MLG. I don't think the numbers in the op comes from an official Dreamhack source (someone correct me if I'm wrong). They usually make a press statement some time after the event (maybe a week or so) with better definitions of what the numbers mean. Even if those are official numbers they are at best very preliminary and does lack in context.
These stats are not official and fake! Can someone please remove them from the main page? The official stats will soon follow with a press release, please don't trust random reddit threads as credible information.
This was a great event, congratulations to everyone involved in creating this and thanks to all sponsors! All you tweeters out there should show your support: @SteelSeries @AMDChannel @EIZO_Global @SapphireUSA
The one thing that could be improved I guess it the hosting on stage. Tejbz might be Swedish and everything but he should not be invited to do these things. Then again, I'm no 2GD fan either so I would not chose him for this. There has to be someone that can do this better than those two (my personal opinion of course). TB for host?
It has already been stated before but I do believe that DreamHack has permission to play all those songs that go on stream between games. And it makes a huge difference, much better than the generic songs sometimes used elsewhere.
Aside for the commented stream problems, all the whole event was perfect, from the time schedule (perfect for europeans) to groups rounds to the final tournament without looser bracket. Clean, fast and with plenty of possibilities for newcomers.
Also, amazing crowd in the main stage. As it is today, E-sports is gathering more people than many non mainstream sports.
Great job everyone on DH, just fix the stream glitches and it will be perfect
On November 28 2011 20:59 dreamhackTV wrote: These stats are not official and fake! Can someone please remove them from the main page? The official stats will soon follow with a press release, please don't trust random reddit threads as credible information.
On the host thing, I think it's safe to assume that Tejbz won't be allowed anywhere near an esport stage again and I personally think TB was born for this very task.
On November 28 2011 21:21 Longshank wrote: On the host thing, I think it's safe to assume that Tejbz won't be allowed anywhere near an esport stage again
Dreamhack was an amazing event! Only bad thing I could think of is how unfriendly it is to Barcrafts across the world.
The time zones made the first day impossible for most North American Barcrafts and the long wait times in between games made it much more difficult to host an exciting event like MLG where games were happening non-stop.
Great event, other than the hosting. Tejbz was the most socially awkward and cringy host to watch, and the bit where him and TB were co hosting was pretty awful too. The plott brothers or artosis would have made much better hosts, but then they seem to have a lot more confidence and ability with public speaking.
That said, watching some of the other tournament casters made me really appreciate how good the SC2 casters are, anybody see the street fighter?
On November 27 2011 18:21 tarodotoxin wrote: i loved it when artosis made fun of Apollo when he didnt know his and tastless' mics were still kinda on hahah hella laughed
we came from Switzerland with a friend. A 15 hour trip... SO WORTH IT!!! It's the first time I attend this kind of event but I'm pretty sure it's one of the best it has been out there... everything was running pretty smoothly and one thing made it just freakin' awesome: the crowd. I don't know if its swedes that are such cool people but the atmosphere in the DreamArena Sapphire on saturday... geeez, it was INCREDIBLE! Had nerdchills during almost the whole time... It was perfect!
The Music on the streams were the best thing of the whole even imo.
On November 27 2011 19:44 SimDawg wrote: I'm 100% sure they're not allowed to broadcast those songs without paying for them, and I'm 99% sure they're not paying. If you wanted to screw DH over all you'd need to do is send an email to a record label with a link to the DH VODs. MLG does it right and uses music from a service.
That said once esports get bigger all this music on streams and music at tournaments will have to stop completely. For now no one has noticed.
On November 28 2011 22:26 Nutm3g wrote: Great event, other than the hosting. Tejbz was the most socially awkward and cringy host to watch, and the bit where him and TB were co hosting was pretty awful too. The plott brothers or artosis would have made much better hosts, but then they seem to have a lot more confidence and ability with public speaking.
That said, watching some of the other tournament casters made me really appreciate how good the SC2 casters are, anybody see the street fighter?
Would you mind pointing out what was wrong with my hosting (which was unplanned and not supposed to happen anyway) and my public speaking abilities? I would like to improve for future events and constructive feedback would be useful.
On November 28 2011 22:26 Nutm3g wrote: Great event, other than the hosting. Tejbz was the most socially awkward and cringy host to watch, and the bit where him and TB were co hosting was pretty awful too. The plott brothers or artosis would have made much better hosts, but then they seem to have a lot more confidence and ability with public speaking.
That said, watching some of the other tournament casters made me really appreciate how good the SC2 casters are, anybody see the street fighter?
Would you mind pointing out what was wrong with my hosting (which was unplanned and not supposed to happen anyway) and my public speaking abilities? I would like to improve for future events and constructive feedback would be useful.
I think your public speaking abilities are great. Youre pretty much the perfect guy for talking before matches, introducing players etc. DH should get rid of the other guy was doing the introduction of the players etc. Blunders like thinking the translator is nightend (lol?) should not be ok.
I loved it, only gripe I had was Tastosis kept talking about GSL and it really put me off because I've seen them do the same in other foreign tournaments.
Dreamhack Fighting! I hope you set a new standard for tournaments around the world.
On November 28 2011 22:26 Nutm3g wrote: Great event, other than the hosting. Tejbz was the most socially awkward and cringy host to watch, and the bit where him and TB were co hosting was pretty awful too. The plott brothers or artosis would have made much better hosts, but then they seem to have a lot more confidence and ability with public speaking.
That said, watching some of the other tournament casters made me really appreciate how good the SC2 casters are, anybody see the street fighter?
Would you mind pointing out what was wrong with my hosting (which was unplanned and not supposed to happen anyway) and my public speaking abilities? I would like to improve for future events and constructive feedback would be useful.
I really enjoyed you being part of the hosting. You bring something to the show no one else does and this is REALLY enjoyable. I was sitting in the middle of the crowd and I was not the only one feeling that way, for sure.
I didn't like at all the main host guy tho... I think the way he was speaking was really akward... didnt get any of his jokes and I tend to think he's a little too full of himself... being good looking and making random taunts about call of duty > sc2 or whatever isnt enough...
On November 28 2011 23:23 MistraL958 wrote: I didn't like at all the main host guy tho... I think the way he was speaking was really akward... didnt get any of his jokes and I tend to think he's a little too full of himself... being good looking and making random taunts about call of duty > sc2 or whatever isnt enough...
Keep it up TB!
As cruel as it was, I'll treasure the look I saw on his face when I compared CoD to Angry Birds on stage :> I have nothing against the guy, actually I feel a bit sorry for him, he was not a good fit and I think he realised that fairly early on.
On November 28 2011 21:21 Longshank wrote: On the host thing, I think it's safe to assume that Tejbz won't be allowed anywhere near an esport stage again
On November 28 2011 22:26 Nutm3g wrote: Great event, other than the hosting. Tejbz was the most socially awkward and cringy host to watch, and the bit where him and TB were co hosting was pretty awful too. The plott brothers or artosis would have made much better hosts, but then they seem to have a lot more confidence and ability with public speaking.
That said, watching some of the other tournament casters made me really appreciate how good the SC2 casters are, anybody see the street fighter?
Would you mind pointing out what was wrong with my hosting (which was unplanned and not supposed to happen anyway) and my public speaking abilities? I would like to improve for future events and constructive feedback would be useful.
It probably could have worded that better to be honest it wasn't you it was him. The conversation he was making was just completely awkward and wasn't really in context, it looked a lot like you were like "o....k.... he said that... how do I make this sound a little less awkward and work this into something that the crowd is enjoying." Basically I'd rather you have just talked over him and completely ignored him lol.
Well thats a bit rude, you cant do that as a caster. Eventhough Tejbz messed up, you have to give him some credit. It was apparently his first time, and luckily it didnt last too long
TB you are an awesome caster that has improved a lot, and won over a large part of the community. Eventhough plenty of people used to be very skeptical of you, and some still are, this DH you blew me over with some amazing casting. Just keep going at it and im sure you'll improve even more by experience alone.
Also, I'd like to point out that despite the SteelSeries scene in the DreamExpo was tiny and often very noisy because of the surroundings, I had a lot of fun sitting/standing there because it felt so "packed" with people and generally more lively...
As a constructive remark, I think that Apollo+TB could involve a little more crowd participation in between games. (Didnt see a whole lot of them casting tho, so maybe I'm wrong). Tastosis for instance did there a nice job, because the size of this stage makes it really appropriate for that kind of stuff I think. Even though I think they overdid the GSL-promoting thing, I liked the interraction with the crowd.
Once again, I thank all of the casters for making this week-end one of the best I have ever had!
Hopefully I can find some time these days to write something about my viewer's experience, which was soooo awesome
On November 28 2011 22:26 Nutm3g wrote: Great event, other than the hosting. Tejbz was the most socially awkward and cringy host to watch, and the bit where him and TB were co hosting was pretty awful too. The plott brothers or artosis would have made much better hosts, but then they seem to have a lot more confidence and ability with public speaking.
That said, watching some of the other tournament casters made me really appreciate how good the SC2 casters are, anybody see the street fighter?
Would you mind pointing out what was wrong with my hosting (which was unplanned and not supposed to happen anyway) and my public speaking abilities? I would like to improve for future events and constructive feedback would be useful.
Not that it was me you wrote to but perhaps you would appreciate some feedback regardless.
Something you've become much better at when casting but still can improve upon is your interaction with your co-caster (for the most part Apollo). Before, it was almost as if it was watching two different casts when you two were casting, if Apollo said something, you'd almost always disregard what he said and say something completely unrelated to that. Sometimes one got the impression that you didn't really even care for or even like Apollo.
However, as I said you've improved in this department and this is actually the first event in which I've actually liked your casts. But there is still some ways to go in your interactions with Apollo. He is great with it comes to the indepth and tactical part of the game so play with him on that strength, ask him questions, follow up what he said and ask follow up questions. Don't just end with a "Right." when-ever he says something and turn your attention else-where, show some more respect for his analysis. This is something Apollo did better than you, he was better able to play upon and continue on what you said.
You are on the other hand great when it comes to the quick-talk, rallying the crowd up and following the action on the screen. Your camera control is also far ahead of that of Apollo (as was apprent when he got control for a while), as he moves the camera around far too much and far too quickly.
tl;dr. Interact more smoothly and more friendly, play on each others strengths.
I think TB's improved a lot. In the past I couldn't stand his casting because he would say so many inaccurate things, but now I really enjoy the dApollo + TB combo. GJ!
On Nov 28 2011 15:18 Valashu wrote: I loved it, only gripe I had was Tastosis kept talking about GSL and it really put me off because I've seen them do the same in other foreign tournaments.
I wondered about that, I've heard them doing it a lot too, maybe they ask for it in their contract?
On Nov 28 2011 15:18 Valashu wrote: I loved it, only gripe I had was Tastosis kept talking about GSL and it really put me off because I've seen them do the same in other foreign tournaments.
I wondered about that, I've heard them doing it a lot too, maybe they ask for it in their contract?
I don't really see the issue with cross-promoting both their gig and another tournament. In fact I'd like to see more of that, it is beneficial to the scene for people to be aware of and to be encouraged to participate in more SC2 events.
Best tournament so far. Some small things they could have done
They introduced the players but I would like personal introductions songs. Like they have in the UFC when the players are entering the arena!
Besides that it was the best tournament from a viewer PoV.
If you lost you dident' get knocked out by losing a Bo3 series or Losing due to extended series (MLG :-( ) In order to go out you had to lose 2/3 games (or get knocked out due to round differences in some rare occasions).
Yes you could lose in the playoffs but they still gave people a lot of chance to prove themself!
Props to DH for an awesome tournament!
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Oh yeah remove Tejbz. Was embarassing when he asked Cypher about his sex-life after winning quake tournaments
I thought the event was fantastic overall, the format is really good and makes for exciting finals, the caster combos did amazing jobs and the stream quality and atmosphere of the entire event was awesome. Really produced some of the best games ever, Hero hwaiting!
However, promise to never let Tejbz do any kind of hosting again. His jokes were really lame and his only impact on the tournament was to create awkwardness and spoil the mood. It's better to have a boring, transparent host than a total douche asking people when they last got laid.
Heart bpm, fan voting and a great public aren't exactly what makes a good tournament, but at the same time are a great addiction when the tournament is already great. Especially the public, in this case, they were like the icing on the cake.
The big deal this time was the tournament structure. Especially in day 1. I think that from now on every tournament whose structure is bigger than a single ro16 tourney should consider implementing this method. The pool selection is simply amazing for every player and the public as well: first of all, you don't face an insta-elimination and get the chance to prove yourself more than once. It manages at the same time to reduce the chances for a top player to be sniped by a random guy who got particularly lucky, and for lesser names to prove themselves in more than a match.
It sucks if a player gets to play a single b03 in his worst matchup against a specialist of that matchup: if you are a lesser known zerg you'd be pissed to go back home just after having to play against Nestea and eventually go back home before even starting your engine.
With this format, instead (and DH planned it EXTREMELY well, because not even one of the pools featured more than 2 big names or 2 'lesser' players) top players are most likely to proceed but at the same time their lesser colleagues can prove themselves in various matchups and even provide some upsets. It's a win-win situation for everyone.
Please let swedish tv (SVT) be in charge of all the stream production next year (including the streams for people outside of sweden) if possible. The crowd cheering after the finals was completely lost on the twitch-stream. Other than that amazing job DH!
On a somewhat related note, does anyone know what song was used after the finals? if was kind of dancy lyrics along the lines of "looooose your miind" (before sandstorm)
Amazing event, I will never understand why mlg is considered a more prestigious tournament. Always have loved your events even pre sc2 with quake and 1.6
Another flawless event by DH. Thanks so much for the hard work putting this show together. Was a blast watching all of it! And big thanks to the casters and announcer
Dreamhack bringing hype back to SC2, other tourneys take note; professionalism is all well and good but excitement mends awkward boundaries and slick hype brings people to the edge of their seats.
On April 23 2012 07:14 bmml wrote: Dreamhack bringing hype back to SC2, other tourneys take note; professionalism is all well and good but excitement mends awkward boundaries and slick hype brings people to the edge of their seats.
Not only the excitement. They also deliver a highly polished production. From graphics, video clips, transitions, choice of music, audio- and picture quality, stage and props, sponsor placement to camera work. Their collaboration with SVT really shined this time
Free HD stream, quality players/matches, best eSports crowd in the world, amazing production, community casters in group stage (could even see a friend of mine being broadcasted towards 500+ people) and I think we can go on and on about this. Dreamhack is just always an event how it supposed to be, good job!
the 720p+ setting was soooooo crisp for me. Best I have seen in awhile and I am on the east coast of the states. Well done whoever is running the stream set up over there.
Always love the Dreamhack tournaments and this one was no exception. DH always striked me as a nice little tournament, but man, the past two events their production crew rival the paid events (perhaps you guys can do a HSC group picture for some screentime =P). I can't recall Incontrol, DApollo, and Wolf ever doing an even together, but you three had some awesome chemistry going and deserve major props for a perfect casting. Thanks everyone, see you next event!
Dreamhack is easily my favourite foreign tournament. The crowds are rowdy, the games are good, and the winner gets a bottle of champagne to cap it off. What a treat. So much better than MLG.
iNcontroL did an absolutely fantastic job in my opinion and the entire event made me want more. The choice of music was right up my alley as well and I feel more and more that I want to attend a DH myself to get the whole package and not just observe from afar.
dreamhack is just awesome, best tournament in my opinion
after thorzain won it just felt.... can't even describe. I was cheering for Sase and Naniwa but Thorzain definitely deserved to win! congratulations to him, great player and cool guy
Regardless, this tournament was absolutely stellar. Really amazing. I loved everything about it: the free HD stream, the hometown hero/fan favorite winning, and the production. Also, Wolf and Apollo were great! iNcontrol as a host is a great choice. He knows how to handle interviews well, I think.
Congrats for being my personal tourney of the year :D
On April 23 2012 07:34 Kaitokid wrote: dreamhack is just awesome, best tournament in my opinion
after thorzain won it just felt.... can't even describe. I was cheering for Sase and Naniwa but Thorzain definitely deserved to win! congratulations to him, great player and cool guy
The only complain I got about Dreamhack are they dont do enough tournaments
On April 23 2012 07:34 Kaitokid wrote: dreamhack is just awesome, best tournament in my opinion
after thorzain won it just felt.... can't even describe. I was cheering for Sase and Naniwa but Thorzain definitely deserved to win! congratulations to him, great player and cool guy
Dreamhack was SOOO GREAT! Really loved it. The host was a bit awkward from time to time and incontrol needs some experience on the "couch" but everything else was outstanding. Thanks for a nice weekend!
One big area of improvement: Redo the schedule just a little to allow for AT LEAST Bo5 semis, and Bo7 grand final. Bo3 is just not enough to separate such high caliber players. My opinion, of course.
I think the stream quality, music and Incontrol carried this event and set a new standard for starcraft 2 tournaments.
i feel that MLG, IPL and NASL has to get their act togheter and hire a DJ who plays decent music. Dreamhack had such an awesome playlist. Justice, Prodigy, Röyksopp, The Knife...
On April 23 2012 07:34 Kaitokid wrote: dreamhack is just awesome, best tournament in my opinion
after thorzain won it just felt.... can't even describe. I was cheering for Sase and Naniwa but Thorzain definitely deserved to win! congratulations to him, great player and cool guy
The only complain I got about Dreamhack are they dont do enough tournaments
I think only having a few Dreamhack tournaments a year is also part of what makes it special. It's not a monthly tournament, but an event that only comes around a few time per year to show everyone how to do things right.
Also a foreigner (and especially a Swedish player) winning contributed to this Dreamhack being so amazing.
I loved everything about the production this weekend
> Sticking to 'studio' for the early rounds as crowd turn out would be too low anyway. They basically did this at winter too, though the atrium was open to spectate in the live crowd was barely acknowledged and cheers were weak.
> Everyone knew what the winner should do: leave their booth and head for the couch. No messing about waiting for hosts.
> Pro video direction. Everything about the set and the visual experience was above and beyond a GSL production
> Single elim champ bracket. It is SO much more hype than having a losers bracket. I would have loved to see Socke go on, for example. But he was outplayed and for that I don't mind.
> Incontrol pulling the leg of everyone whom he knew he could get away with it
> Amazing casting. Wolf and Apollo was a pretty dope combo. Having Incontrol on for flavour yesterday was a nice change of pace too for group games that, frankly, are hard to grind through when casters have their serious face on
All in well done Robert Ohlen and Hellspawn for putting on another wicked sick shown and most of all
This was a great event. Aside from minor sound issues and twitch messing with some of us as usual, this was pretty much as good as it gets. 2012 is going to be a great year.
Although the skill only really kicked in towards the end I did enjoy the tournament.
Next time make some qualifiers so we don´t have to sit through 32 groups of Koreans roflstomp some semi-pros. Or just reduce it to 12 groups with BO1s...
The best thing about thorzain taking the first price is that we finally have a powerhouseTerran representing the foreign scene again. There are tons of great foreign Zerg and Protoss players (stephano and naniwa being up there with the top koreans) but it was a long time ago we saw a Foreign Terran win a Major Tournament against respectable Koreans.
On April 23 2012 07:55 Aunvilgod wrote: Although the skill only really kicked in towards the end I did enjoy the tournament.
Next time make some qualifiers so we don´t have to sit through 32 groups of Koreans roflstomp some semi-pros. Or just reduce it to 12 groups with BO1s...
It was a open tournament and you cant blame DH for players who rather do something else.
Weak player lineups are a consistent issue for Dreamhack, but apart from that it's a great tournament. I especially like having free HD (and that frame rate was super nice, too).
On April 23 2012 07:54 RHoudini wrote: Amazingly good tournament. Super casters. Super crowd. Super production quality. Super result. All this delivered on a free high-quality stream.
Had to add, you forgot super players. It was a blast watching dreamhack, can't wait for summer!
Best tournament of 2012 so far. The dreamhack guys have been running the world's largest LAN party since the 90s, so I guess it's not a surprise that they're pretty good organizers.. but damn they still manage to surprise and astound me with the insane quality of their events.
Best thing about Dreamhack was that it was free in HD.
And second best thing was Incontrol, that guy is made for casting and being on the stage doing interviews and stuff. Geoff, if you read this use this talent you got and earn a couple of extra bucks so we actually get some GOOD casting and some GOOD guy at the stage at each tournament. You are made for this! You are like the second best caster out there after Artosis goddamnit!
The third best thing about DH was the schedule. They literally never crashed or had any problems at all. The matches were like 99% played on the correct time.
On April 23 2012 07:34 Kaitokid wrote: dreamhack is just awesome, best tournament in my opinion
after thorzain won it just felt.... can't even describe. I was cheering for Sase and Naniwa but Thorzain definitely deserved to win! congratulations to him, great player and cool guy
The only complain I got about Dreamhack are they dont do enough tournaments
I think only having a few Dreamhack tournaments a year is also part of what makes it special. It's not a monthly tournament, but an event that only comes around a few time per year to show everyone how to do things right.
Also a foreigner (and especially a Swedish player) winning contributed to this Dreamhack being so amazing.
I have to agree to your point of not having that much DreamHack tournament. It's like the HomeStoryCup: all the waiting time makes it even better.
great job DH very impressive event, delivered on all fronts. maybe beef up the playerbase participating with some more top tier talent as there some bad mismatches on day 1.
On April 23 2012 08:06 PsykoMantis wrote: B]On April 23 2012 07:54 RHoudini wrote: Amazingly good tournament. Super casters. Super crowd. Super production quality. Super result. All this delivered on a free high-quality stream --- Had to add, you forgot super players. It was a blast watching dreamhack, can't wait for summer!
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Always good graphical stuff (everything animated, all images etc)! Also related to this... all the DreamHack videos are always very nice, all the hype videos and such. The music as everyone says is great. Ceremony with champagne! The lighting at the venue. Camera controls/views.
I can only echo what everyone has already said! REALLY great.
DreamHack has been around since 1994 and I bet it will still exist in 2094. I feel its slightly pointless to compare with other tournaments... but honestly DH is simply (light-?) YEARS ahead.
I wish I could suggest improvements, because I want DH to continue being just as awesome! It's not good with an OVERFLOW of positive feedback right ? DH: Don't relax! Keep pushing it! Keep warping us into the future of where we all want to get
I agree, best tournament of 2012 so far. Showing MLG/IEM/IPL how it's done!
A good group play into SINGLE ELIMINATION bracket where all participating players have the same chances at the start. That's always more exciting than meaningless poolplay (where some of the players get a big advantage by seeding them directly into pools) into endless double elimination bracket with an anticlimatic final.
You also don't need 10 casters, 5 hosts and 5 interviewers who swap the stage all the time (where the boobed ones most of the time don't even know anything about the game they are asking the players about). 3 to 4 people is enough for this job and any more just gets annoying. Awesome job by Apollo, Wolf and especially Incontrol!
Dreamhack definitely delivered in a big way. Loved the production, casting and the presence of the crowd really added to the overall atmosphere. Extremely epic semi finals and finals as well, DH just keeps on hosting some of the absolute best events out there.
Awesome event! The feeling and sound of the crowd, especially when Thorzain was playing, was fantastic. So happy to be able to attend, will definitely try to catch more DH tournaments, and really recommend anyone to do the same!
Agreed, I really appreciate their efforts. I always look forward to the next Dreamhack event. It helps give me a glimpse of some players I probably wouldn't see otherwise.
On April 23 2012 09:08 KalWarkov wrote: this event totally killed MLG this weekend in every aspect but number of top koreans - and that makes it probably even more exciting
Right because Spring Arena 1 and a Dreamhack Open are comparable.
Hating aside, definitely a great tournament, possibly even a better venue than IPL4. Just wish they had every seat filled.
EDIT: and I have to agree with others about single elimination being MUCH better. Double elimination is just a recipe for anticlimactic finals.
I have a quick question and I'm not too sure where to put this. Do the progamers at Dreamhack use the Eizo Foris FS2332 when competing? If so, that's a rather interesting choice. What do the progamers honestly think of it?
Surprisingly awesome even considering the amount of interesting pros dropping out... Especially for us swedish people, watching Thorzain destroy was just amazing and it was obvious the audience felt the same way, quite epic. Hopefully it proved how good dreamhack is and players won't be skipping it next time.
The production value was really amazing. First, the image quality was really great, this quality for free is really great. And everything else, the cameras, interview, etc, i felt like watching a professional TV, was really great!
DH, this was one of the best sc2 tournament I have ever watched. Huge props to the guy who picked the music, the camera work, the players, the crowds and incontrol!
This was a fantastic event. TY Dreamhack, I would say the weekend was very good day for SC2 overall. There was a lot of good things happening.
Some terrific matches at MLG especially the final series between MKP and DRG NASL did a neat Barcraft hosted challenge match between Sen and Tod duking it out Scarlett again confirmed its time to take her seriously with some terrific performances in the IPL team event (Corpuscle commented replays) before crushing Aurora in a challenge match Day9 and Husky bringing us the After Hours Gaming League finals demonstrating the grass roots strength of our favourite game Stephano finally came back from his holiday and as if we had forgotten showed us just how amazing he is on his stream (I bet he wished he had gone to Dreamhack though) and of course the absolute highlight was the terrific overall Production of Dreamhack with Thorzain proving once again he creates some of the best Sc2 memories (Remember a year ago when he won TSL?)
pps special mention to Team Liquid for being the hub of all and making it so easy to access all this wonderful content
Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
Other than that, an amazing event all round in my opinion. It was the first time I've seen Wolf do his thing and I thought he was really good. Incontrol's banter was great as always too.
Very nice that it was free but I would be willing to pay for it, if it resulted in an increased production value down the line.
I really like how DH manages to minimize downtime between the matches. It really makes it enjoyable to watch as you don't need to be constantly waiting for the matches to start.
On April 23 2012 20:00 Vapaach wrote: I really like how DH manages to minimize downtime between the matches. It really makes it enjoyable to watch as you don't need to be constantly waiting for the matches to start.
And showing the "Current time" and the "Next game in" time was also contributing a lot to the smoothness.
thanks! even my girlfriend (who I forced to watch g3 between thorzain and monster :D ) like the atmosphere and the crowds reaction after thorzains win.
also, the videos between the matches, the trailers right before the matches, the freestream, the music - I liked it all. Sure, there is still potential to improve, but I`m pretty sure DH staff will continue to keep an open ear/eye and come up with new great ideas.
The atmosphere was so incredible. You could really feel it. The crowd, the music, the cheers, the production. A live tournament has never felt as powerful (for me at least). I feel like both MLG and IPL need to step it up alot. Really looking forward to next DH. Loved it, just loved it.
Their setup is amazing, and for this year they even have SVT (the Swedish national television, free for all living in Sweden) with them on their side. Great setup of the tournament, good coverage and great casters.
On April 23 2012 20:34 Caltrop wrote: Their setup is amazing, and for this year they even have SVT (the Swedish national television, free for all living in Sweden) with them on their side. Great setup of the tournament, good coverage and great casters.
Huge love for the team behind it all!
Well, SVT isn't REALLY free since you have to pay for a TV license... even if you don't even use a TV, you still need to pay for that shit just for owning one.
It was incredible. I could feel the atmosphere even watching from home. GG, music, the winner going out, high fiving and being interviewed by an amazing Incontrol was absolutely sensational.
The casters were excellent. The production was excellent. I loved the schedule being shown after every game. Congratulations to Dreamhack, they really did deliver!
(Only thing that I could see missing is the pulse meter. It was just awesome seing someone's pulse peaking when a drop happens for example. Added a whole new layer of tension and sympathy for the gamers. Not a big deal but I really liked it)
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
I had nerdchills during the whole evening watching it live. INcontroL is such a nice dude, I took a couple of pictures with him... also with Thorzain and Polt :D
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
I dont like it when CEO's come on stages and scream nonsense to hype up a crowd, it just doesn't work like that and it's always akward but i have to say that guy did a great job at the ceremony.
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
I dont like it when CEO's come on stages and scream nonsense to hype up a crowd, it just doesn't work like that and it's always akward but i have to say that guy did a great job at the ceremony.
My problem with it was that it sounded like he was trying to quote The Gladiator with his "Are you entertained?".
Surely it should have been "Are you not entertained?" Right?
This Dreamhack was amazing. Best event in like 6 months, pretty easily. I especially love the pro players doing the interviews. Instead of muting the stream after the games, I'm really interested, and the contrast to something like IPL4 is big. It's a huge step up in professionalism when these interviewers are good at their job.
Best SC2 tournament I've seen so far. Looking forward to Dreamhack Summer. I'm not too fond of inControl as a caster, but I love him as a host. Apollo & Wolf were on par with Tastosis. Just a big thumbs up to everyone involved in Dreamhack. This is how it should be done!
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
Obviously, these guys deserve some limelight and a great deal of respect for all their hard work. It was more HOW he did it that I just found a little contrived, patronising and embarassing.
The event was EPIC though all round, and they deserve every ounce of credit, I was just a bit embarassed for everyone involved for that 1 minute period. I think he thought it would go down better than it did.
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
Obviously, these guys deserve some limelight and a great deal of respect for all their hard work. It was more HOW he did it that I just found a little contrived, patronising and embarassing.
The event was EPIC though all round, and they deserve every ounce of credit, I was just a bit embarassed for everyone involved for that 1 minute period. I think he thought it would go down better than it did.
On April 23 2012 19:57 Ireniicus wrote: This was a fantastic event. TY Dreamhack, I would say the weekend was very good day for SC2 overall. There was a lot of good things happening.
Some terrific matches at MLG especially the final series between MKP and DRG NASL did a neat Barcraft hosted challenge match between Sen and Tod duking it out Scarlett again confirmed its time to take her seriously with some terrific performances in the IPL team event (Corpuscle commented replays) before crushing Aurora in a challenge match Day9 and Husky bringing us the After Hours Gaming League finals demonstrating the grass roots strength of our favourite game Stephano finally came back from his holiday and as if we had forgotten showed us just how amazing he is on his stream (I bet he wished he had gone to Dreamhack though) and of course the absolute highlight was the terrific overall Production of Dreamhack with Thorzain proving once again he creates some of the best Sc2 memories (Remember a year ago when he won TSL?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9tUmLc1_LI&sns=tw
pps special mention to Team Liquid for being the hub of all and making it so easy to access all this wonderful content
I don't understand how Dreamhack gets sooooooooo smooth FPS compared to every other tournament, it's just such a big difference even though the other tournaments all have good quality aswell....
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
Obviously, these guys deserve some limelight and a great deal of respect for all their hard work. It was more HOW he did it that I just found a little contrived, patronising and embarassing.
The event was EPIC though all round, and they deserve every ounce of credit, I was just a bit embarassed for everyone involved for that 1 minute period. I think he thought it would go down better than it did.
That's just nitpicking tho.
Yes, yes it is. An event that's so epic overall could have been even better. Offering criticism on a specific point could be considered nitpicking. For me though, it was a pretty mortifying and cringeworthy moment within a sea of pure gold. I just HAD to bring it up as nobody else was mentioning it.
Was pretty dissapointed when i found out i wouldnt be watching MLG that weekend. Then i find out its dreamhack. Great games, great casters, great streams, alround brilliant event. Thanks dreamhack, cant wait for the next one
On April 23 2012 19:57 Ireniicus wrote: This was a fantastic event. TY Dreamhack, I would say the weekend was very good day for SC2 overall. There was a lot of good things happening.
Some terrific matches at MLG especially the final series between MKP and DRG NASL did a neat Barcraft hosted challenge match between Sen and Tod duking it out Scarlett again confirmed its time to take her seriously with some terrific performances in the IPL team event (Corpuscle commented replays) before crushing Aurora in a challenge match Day9 and Husky bringing us the After Hours Gaming League finals demonstrating the grass roots strength of our favourite game Stephano finally came back from his holiday and as if we had forgotten showed us just how amazing he is on his stream (I bet he wished he had gone to Dreamhack though) and of course the absolute highlight was the terrific overall Production of Dreamhack with Thorzain proving once again he creates some of the best Sc2 memories (Remember a year ago when he won TSL?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9tUmLc1_LI&sns=tw
pps special mention to Team Liquid for being the hub of all and making it so easy to access all this wonderful content
So sick nerdchills watching this again
Best ending to any tournament yet? I mean with the storyline, the music, the crowd. That's a brilliant moment.
On April 23 2012 22:03 statikg wrote: Really great event, definitely a storybook ending adds alot to the epic feel (would not have been as good if polt won).
That might be true, but for me: Real cheers from the crowd >>nerdchills>> forced clapping we sadly see all the time in MLG/american events, so I guess even if Polt would have won it would have been an awesome response from the crowd nonetheless (compare Hero's victory - so much more enthusiasm/real emotions FTW !)
For me DH felt abit strange at first due to the huge number of "no-names" especially on day 1, but ulitmately it proved for me that you can get great games and a great atmosphere (and thus a great event) no matter if your line-up is stacked with $$ or not ... IF you provide such a great stage for the game. Thanks alot for that @organizers - and the great crowd there as well. *tips hat*
On April 23 2012 22:39 Blacktion wrote: Was pretty dissapointed when i found out i wouldnt be watching MLG that weekend. Then i find out its dreamhack. Great games, great casters, great streams, alround brilliant event. Thanks dreamhack, cant wait for the next one
This is how it was for me aswell. Such an awesome tournament, free streams is the only way to spread the beauty of e-sports.
On April 23 2012 19:57 Ireniicus wrote: This was a fantastic event. TY Dreamhack, I would say the weekend was very good day for SC2 overall. There was a lot of good things happening.
Some terrific matches at MLG especially the final series between MKP and DRG NASL did a neat Barcraft hosted challenge match between Sen and Tod duking it out Scarlett again confirmed its time to take her seriously with some terrific performances in the IPL team event (Corpuscle commented replays) before crushing Aurora in a challenge match Day9 and Husky bringing us the After Hours Gaming League finals demonstrating the grass roots strength of our favourite game Stephano finally came back from his holiday and as if we had forgotten showed us just how amazing he is on his stream (I bet he wished he had gone to Dreamhack though) and of course the absolute highlight was the terrific overall Production of Dreamhack with Thorzain proving once again he creates some of the best Sc2 memories (Remember a year ago when he won TSL?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9tUmLc1_LI&sns=tw
pps special mention to Team Liquid for being the hub of all and making it so easy to access all this wonderful content
So sick nerdchills watching this again
Best ending to any tournament yet? I mean with the storyline, the music, the crowd. That's a brilliant moment.
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
Obviously, these guys deserve some limelight and a great deal of respect for all their hard work. It was more HOW he did it that I just found a little contrived, patronising and embarassing.
The event was EPIC though all round, and they deserve every ounce of credit, I was just a bit embarassed for everyone involved for that 1 minute period. I think he thought it would go down better than it did.
That's just nitpicking tho.
Yes, yes it is. An event that's so epic overall could have been even better. Offering criticism on a specific point could be considered nitpicking. For me though, it was a pretty mortifying and cringeworthy moment within a sea of pure gold. I just HAD to bring it up as nobody else was mentioning it.
I'm not a hater :-)
As it seems you were the sole who actually noticed or took offense, perhaps the error is in you?
Ponde said on Lo3 that the ideal situation would be a Swede vs Korean final with the Swede taking it. And that was exactly what we got! Excellent tournament all-around. Even in its results.
Ty for this amazing event ! Though i would have loved to see a Bo5 and Bo7, instead of Bo3 and Bo5 it still was such an amazing well put together event, great crowd awsome production and entertaining games. Looking forward to the next Dreamhack !
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
Obviously, these guys deserve some limelight and a great deal of respect for all their hard work. It was more HOW he did it that I just found a little contrived, patronising and embarassing.
The event was EPIC though all round, and they deserve every ounce of credit, I was just a bit embarassed for everyone involved for that 1 minute period. I think he thought it would go down better than it did.
That's just nitpicking tho.
Yes, yes it is. An event that's so epic overall could have been even better. Offering criticism on a specific point could be considered nitpicking. For me though, it was a pretty mortifying and cringeworthy moment within a sea of pure gold. I just HAD to bring it up as nobody else was mentioning it.
I'm not a hater :-)
As it seems you were the sole who actually noticed or took offense, perhaps the error is in you?
No it's constructive criticism imo. It was really awkward when he came out. He didn't have to be so dramatic about it. He could have just gave a calm and collected speech. Would have conveyed his message a lot clearer and the crowd would still have cheered and applauded at the end of it. He was essentially saying Stockholm would be the e-sports hub of Europe right? I for one hope that becomes true =)
On April 23 2012 19:59 Regent wrote: Is nobody going to mention the AWFUL moment when the organiser came out fist pumping shouting "Are you entertained?!". That was just terrible, I had to mute and minimise.
For organizing all this good stuff, he deserves five minutes on his own stage, independent how good on camera he is. Same goes for Sundance, Carmac, David Ting etc.
I agree. I see no problem with organisers coming on stage at some point. the amount of work required to make these events happen is staggering.
Obviously, these guys deserve some limelight and a great deal of respect for all their hard work. It was more HOW he did it that I just found a little contrived, patronising and embarassing.
The event was EPIC though all round, and they deserve every ounce of credit, I was just a bit embarassed for everyone involved for that 1 minute period. I think he thought it would go down better than it did.
That's just nitpicking tho.
Yes, yes it is. An event that's so epic overall could have been even better. Offering criticism on a specific point could be considered nitpicking. For me though, it was a pretty mortifying and cringeworthy moment within a sea of pure gold. I just HAD to bring it up as nobody else was mentioning it.
I'm not a hater :-)
As it seems you were the sole who actually noticed or took offense, perhaps the error is in you?
What error have I made exactly? - It's an appreciation thread in which I'm expressing 99% positive feedback and making a small criticism, which I expect, at least a few people agree with. You can't know that I'm the "sole" person who took offense!
For the record, you're saying that you watched the entire thing and you thought that speech was executed 100% perfrectly and couldn't have been done better in any way??
Here's the crowd reaction from a spectators point of view.
Overall, a marvelous event and it was amazing in so many ways. The only valid complaint I heard was that for some places in the audience you kind of got the spotlight straight in your eyes, which made it difficult to watch the screen. Wasn't really a problem where I was sitting though.
I really enjoyed this latest EIZO dreamhack event. Good casting, good coachcasting, awesome matches, free HQ stream. When it comes to esports events, Dreamhack is the event to beat.
It was an amazing event. I really feel other major tournaments can learn from the production quality of DH Open in Stockholm, it was an absolute treat watching, even though I spent more time looking at the chat than I did looking at the stream.
I would easily have paid 10-15 bucks to watch this.
On April 23 2012 21:00 nymfaw wrote: except for the terrible sound sometimes it was good.
when was that? i watched almost everything yesterday and didn't notice any sound problems
The sound did sometimes go out (vaguely remembering Polt vs Sjow). Since you don't get pitch perfect audio in MLB, NFL, or NBA games either, I wouldn't consider it to be that big a deal.
It was my first live event and I just loved how everything was well organized, that schedule was awesome for us out there to know how much time we had until the next match. It's too bad it wasn't packed full but all those shots of it being half-empty didn't do it justice because there was at least 200 people up in the bar the whole time and what I find a bit funny is that the crowd was constantly on the move, even during matches lots of people were simply wandering around the venue. It's also new to me to see everyone cheering for everyone, kudos to swedes on their sportsmanship. Oh and the crowd itself was so polarized: On my left sat a couple of guys who looked over 30 and on my right sat a really pretty girl in an EG shirt and drawings of race emblems on her arms holding a Hydra toy and she looked more into sc2 than I was. In front of me sat a guy who was constantly surprised that the aforementioned girl was cheering and was commenting on her to his friends. All in all, a nicely spent weekend.
Regarding this:
On April 23 2012 16:43 Womwomwom wrote: I have a quick question and I'm not too sure where to put this. Do the progamers at Dreamhack use the Eizo Foris FS2332 when competing? If so, that's a rather interesting choice. What do the progamers honestly think of it?
Yes, all the monitors in the tournament area were FS2332. I dunno what the pros think of it but one thing I did notice is that Hyun kept brightness and contrast much lower than Ret for example. I myself own this monitor and the reason I bought is the positive reviews throughout the internet which made it the most valuable monitor for the money at that time, dunno if that is still the case.
Well this is starting to sound like a broken record, but DH Stockholm was a great event. Even so I feel there are a few things that needs to be pointed out that can need some improvement. So I'll write down a few things that made it a great event and what things you might need to add/work on to make it even more awesome! This is from the prespective of a spectator on both day 1 and 2.
+ Venue. This was a great venue, the bar wasn't the most impressive but it had what was needed most, loads of beer. + Production. A well made production, timing was perfect with music after a game won etc. + Casters. I was really happy with the casters and the interviewer Incontrol, even the first day which had horrible games was handled in a great way. Semmler had a bad day 1, but did ok in day 2. + The format. This is great in theory as spectator since it grants a greater possibility for a unknown player to make it far and get some spotlight time. The format also gives a great potential for playerbase growth, which is great. + Music. + The crowd. Yes we were awesome.
But all things were'nt great, but the most problems occured on day 1.
- Sound Checks are great. But long times of insanely loud music from the main stage during day 1 was pretty disturbing when you're trying to watch a game in the bar. - Map Pool. To many maps, even if there were fun games from the new maps they created more problems then actually add anything to the event. - Games day 1. I can't lie and say that they were good. Most games that were broadcast day 1 was bad, really bad. But there were some ok/good games. How ever this isn't something that you can change without trying to be more adaptive with the broadcasting schedule. Sadly sometimes this wont help if a player doesn't preform as expected, ex. Hyun vs Naniwa. - Entertainment on the stream when there is a longer break or downtime. Day 2 was ok. But it shouldn't be hard to do some kind of rerun of like DH winter finals. - Information on the groups/brackets. There should have been a screen with the brackets and results. Having to go to TL to get an update gets a bit annoying the 10th time in 10 minutes.
The thing that I think was the biggest problem was mediocre the player attendance. I'm not talking about the big skill gap but rather that there were so many slots that weren't filled. I don't know how much DH can do to change this since if a player doesn't want to go, few thing will change this fact. Personally I think that if all the 128 slots would have been filled, day 1 would have provided better games to broadcast.
I just hope that all the DH events this year will be a success.
I really liked it! Good jobb. Looking forward to more. Good casting, good interviews. Loved all the streams during saturday. Nice clear matches. Bad luck with the buggy map. I'm torn on the "new maps" thing. I like new maps but known maps make better games. Stream was excelent, some minor glitches in the day two when apollo introduced one player, we got a shot of the player, and then the casters. Was a bit weird. Good amount of money. Think thorzain will live good for a few months.
Could the music be more in sound level with the other sounds that would be great cus i had to turn the volume up and down to ensure I didn't disturb my neighbours. Also, how did you get hold of my spotify playlist to play in the pauses?
Free 720p stream (even if not quite up to the 720p of others), nice player base, good casters, and really nicely scheduled so that those of us in the states could watch it too. Also I think the tournament format was fair, without double elimination redundancy, AND we got to watch all of the quarter & semi final games, instead of having to choose which stream we focused on.
Best free tournament out there, keep up the good work and thanks!
The WCS European Championship was a ridiculously good event - I was supposed to do other stuff but wound up watching everything. Perhaps not flawless, but I can't recall a more enjoyable event this year. Great work, Dreamhack.
What i didn't like: - I missed Day9&TB&Incontrol (from the DH crew) - RedEye was imho out of place. He could do a great host for a tv quiz show or stuff like that, not for a SC2 Tournament or for a (e)sporting event. A bit the same feelings i share for moletrap. - The place half empty all the time (beside for the final) (not sure if too big place or not enough people, either way was painful to watch so many empty seats, compared to the dota2 invitational) - After/pre match useless comments from apollo/artosis/tasteless etc... about maps/players. -720+ stream was laggy as hell/unwatchable. No it's not my internet connection.
What i Liked: - The format was very very good (much better than MLG) - Perhaps it's a bit of patriotism (i'm european afterall). I liked to see only european talents. In other words i enjoyed a non korean top6. - Seeing players enjoy themselves after the match (see grubby when he qualified) - I enjoyed the 'podium' procedure more than the MLG one
What i loved: - The production value gets a 10/10 - Best tournament i watched so far for content/value - The "who is this"/thorzain fan videos were amazingly hilarious
can't wait to see what they are going to do in China and how many people actually shows up for that, seeing it's a so far out place for every european/american.
On September 17 2012 08:01 robih wrote: didnt miss any of the people from the above post redeye did a great job imho. no awkward moments or bad jokes as so many others do
DH once again did an outstanding job. imho they are doing the best hosting/production of sc2 tournaments right now
Agreed. There is no such thing as the ultimate caster core - everyone likes/wants something different - and this was a very solid group. RedEye may have not fit an "eSports" sterotype, but he did a LOT better than many other hosts.
DH raised the bar once again!
As some others have stated. I also liked seeing all the EU players battle it out together (not that I'm going to stop watching GSL or tournaments with a handful of Koreans etc).
Fantastic show from everyone at DH. Great games, great casting, fantastic production value, and all the energy in the event made it feel great! I loved seeing the EU Finals from beginning to end.
For as many people simultaneously viewing, I had no stream lag at 720+ (oh, and I haven't taken that for granted, very nice not having to pay for such high quality content), and what downtime there was between matches didn't seem that long at all. Shanghai has a tough act to follow in November, as once again Sweden does a bang up job showing everyone how a tournament can be run.
Dreamhack delivered yet again! There was barely anything negative about this event. Actually, the sound issues at day 1 is the only thing I can think of.
-720+ stream was laggy as hell/unwatchable. No it's not my internet connection.
it has to be your internet or your connection to twitch server...wasn't laggy for me one bit
720+ was laggy and almost unwatchable at couple points for me aswell and it wasn't my internet.
same here
rest was fucking awesome
Strange. I had no problems whatsoever with 720p. There was only a black screen once, but it lasted only for a few seconds. Maybe it was only a problem with 720+ or with twitch hating on some users' locations...
I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
The production value was just insane. I think it brought in a lot of people who normally don't watch starcraft
-720+ stream was laggy as hell/unwatchable. No it's not my internet connection.
it has to be your internet or your connection to twitch server...wasn't laggy for me one bit
720+ was laggy and almost unwatchable at couple points for me aswell and it wasn't my internet.
same here
rest was fucking awesome
And same here also. Tournament was great, Twitch was crap...
720p barely watchable saturday, totally unwatchable today. 480p usually watchable, but with many periods of lag spikes. And no, it's not my internet connection either. Twitch, and only Twitch, has been having lag issues since july. No problems anywhere else :/ It was the same (worse at times) for friends with an even better connection, on the other side of the country (granted it's not a big country. maybe a bit bigger just for today )
It definitely lowered the enjoyment level of the tournament for me, and stopped the aforementioned friends from watching it altogether. Fortunately, everything else was top notch.
I don't always watch SC2, but when I do, I watch Dreamhack productions. Awesome tournament, going to be nice watching some Dreamhack SC2 on tv next weekend.
Great production, great matches. Highlights for me were Stephano vs Lucifron yesterday, the oldest fan, music during breaks, and two quality casting duos.
they host the best sc2 events hands down. This wcs EU was fucking top notch. I don't think they could have made it any better. Keep it up. Better yet, come to the us!
My opinion of Dreamhack is they get BETTER AND BETTER, everytime you watch them. I just love the little things that they done, like having GG pop up from after the win, the award ceremony where they take each of there flags and just the over all music.
If somebody has the playlist for Dreamhack and can link it please!!
Brilliant production. Casters and Adebisi were great, quality of the stream and content was amazing, and Redeye's hosting was beyond compare. Awesome job, DH, on another phenomenal event.
WCS EU was a great event in so many ways that I can't mention them all. Even if I missed the finals (Because of sickness) this is without doubt the best event ever, and DreamHack keeps improving, so now I'm super pumped for the rest of the DH season and for the 12/13 season of E-Sport SM.
the gangnam dancing before the stephano game made me laugh a bot, everyone looked like they were having fun .. .i got my appreciation of esports thread closed . . infact all my threads get closed . . .but still
really wish i was there last night! It looked really really good
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
Is it funny that I read the OP thinking it meant WCS?
This dreamhack was AMAZING. Dreamhack really is trying to be the standard/set the bar for foreign events around the world. I agree with pretty much every point made.
It was nice. The map ban phase seemed weird though like if they tried to emulate the ban phase of dota2 but I felt like it carried no weight, like they where just going to take out a couple of maps and it had no meaning. Definately not the same vibe when the pick and bans in dota so dunno why they made a big thing of it, but I could be wrong .
On September 17 2012 14:53 Rasmudd wrote: It was nice. The map ban phase seemed weird though like if they tried to emulate the ban phase of dota2 but I felt like it carried no weight, like they where just going to take out a couple of maps and it had no meaning. Definately not the same vibe when the pick and bans in dota so dunno why they made a big thing of it, but I could be wrong .
I actually liked it. It gives the casters an opportunity to analyze the mindset/decision making of each player before the map even starts.
On September 17 2012 14:53 Rasmudd wrote: It was nice. The map ban phase seemed weird though like if they tried to emulate the ban phase of dota2 but I felt like it carried no weight, like they where just going to take out a couple of maps and it had no meaning. Definately not the same vibe when the pick and bans in dota so dunno why they made a big thing of it, but I could be wrong .
Banning maps is a pretty big deal in SC2. It takes in to consideration race and opponent's style of play
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
That alone didn't bring the extra viewers.
One point is DreamHack simply puts on a MUCH better show than MLG has ever done.
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
That alone didn't bring the extra viewers.
One point is DreamHack simply puts on a MUCH better show than MLG has ever done.
Another major point was that it was scheduled perfectly for EU/US timezones.
American tournaments usually only schedule for their national viewerbase.
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
That alone didn't bring the extra viewers.
One point is DreamHack simply puts on a MUCH better show than MLG has ever done.
Another major point was that it was scheduled perfectly for EU/US timezones.
American tournaments usually only schedule for their national viewerbase.
All three are good reasons. I will also add that this tournament had title contenders of all nationalities, which automatically draws more attention than when the players who actually stand a chance are Stephano and seven Koreans (five of which unknown).
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
That alone didn't bring the extra viewers.
One point is DreamHack simply puts on a MUCH better show than MLG has ever done.
Another major point was that it was scheduled perfectly for EU/US timezones.
American tournaments usually only schedule for their national viewerbase.
All three are good reasons. I will also add that this tournament had title contenders of all nationalities, which automatically draws more attention than when the players who actually stand a chance are Stephano and seven Koreans (five of which unknown).
Thats true aswell, and I really think not having the "faceless koreans" there helped a lot, and I felt like the games was still top notch, and since koreans useally just copy whatever is good at the time, while here we got to see some peoples unique styles, like BabyKnight had some interesting plays, Lowely was also very unique, and overall the games were pretty close thoughout the main stage of the event.
I cant agree more about the koreans, I always felt like they just made the game boring. I mean they are great players no doubt but not everything is about playing perfect, its about innovation and entertainment for me.
Not to mention that pretty much every single player was good enough to qualify and that made it so much more exciting for everyone!
Once again, great job DH. The only issues I had was the stream issues with 720p+ and some sound issues that the production had. MLG really need to take a hard look how you are suppose to have a award ceremony.
On September 17 2012 16:34 mec wrote: I cant agree more about the koreans, I always felt like they just made the game boring. I mean they are great players no doubt but not everything is about playing perfect, its about innovation and entertainment for me.
Not to mention that pretty much every single player was good enough to qualify and that made it so much more exciting for everyone!
Once again, great job DH. The only issues I had was the stream issues with 720p+ and some sound issues that the production had. MLG really need to take a hard look how you are suppose to have a award ceremony.
Most important thing about getting people excited it properly timed music, there is almost no music whatsoever at MLG, whenever someone wins there is no lights flashing, epic music playing or some guy sitting in a couch waiting to have a winner's interview with the champion.
I also like the veto in public, it adds a bit of personality to the game, and lets us get inside the mind of a player more, and Hellspawn was sick at announcing
production was sick. dreamhack always was the best organizer, but damn, did they show it off last night once again. great work, i even went on twitter to follow you guys, which i barely ever use.
The map pool banning i like, they did the same thing for last event 2gd's team hosted (forgot name) but with so small a map pool it really doesn't matter that much imo. Its almost always the same maps getting removed in the matchup (emphasize on almost). If the map pool had maybe 1-2 more maps, i would be abit more exited personally.
This event was one of, if not the very best produced SC2 events I've ever watched, hats off the the Dreamhack production crew! Also this image was fantastic!
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
No koreans I think actually, most people prefer to watch players they like and with personality rather then koreans with only pure skill.
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
No koreans I think actually, most people prefer to watch players they like and with personality rather then koreans with only pure skill.
Implying that Koreans don't have personality? Can't believe it.
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
No koreans I think actually, most people prefer to watch players they like and with personality rather then koreans with only pure skill.
Implying that Koreans don't have personality? Can't believe it.
It's an exageration to imply that Koreans don't have personality, no doubt. But I would agree that most foreigners and their stories draw more attention than most Koreans. To me and to a lot of other SC2 fans, that means more fun.
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
No koreans I think actually, most people prefer to watch players they like and with personality rather then koreans with only pure skill.
MC, MKP and DRG have a lot more personality than guys Lucifron and Vortix.
It was big numbers because the times are really good for both NA and EU, because it has Blizzard's name on it and because it's the novelty of a one off 'King of Europe' tournament. Back when we had King of Europe tournaments all the time because Koreans didn't travel much viewers were far lower because everyone wanted the novelty of seeing Koreans play.
The WCS Finals will completely destroy these numbers because China and Korea are a massive deal as the Dota International showed (500k concurrents makes the 100k we had this weekend look pretty modest).
I also agree that the high viewers numbers was most likely because there were no Koreans in it. I personally turn the stream off when the top 4 are all Korean and I'm pretty sure there are a lot who do the same.
On September 17 2012 22:13 Champloo wrote: Awesome event, only downside was again Twitch.
I also agree that the high viewers numbers was most likely because there were no Koreans in it. I personally turn the stream off when the top 4 are all Korean and I'm pretty sure there are a lot who do the same.
You are plain wrong sir. It all depends who is actually playing and what event is, nothing to do with koreans imo. This was WCS Europe Finals dude - big event and who was playing - big guns. Audience was expected.
Last but not least: EVENT WAS SPECTACULAR TO WATCH, grazt to DH CREW! And those Stephano Lucifron games - man!
On September 17 2012 22:13 Champloo wrote: Awesome event, only downside was again Twitch.
I also agree that the high viewers numbers was most likely because there were no Koreans in it. I personally turn the stream off when the top 4 are all Korean and I'm pretty sure there are a lot who do the same.
I kinda agree.
Well, I don't turn it off "because" of only Koreans if I still have time, but a final of 2 players I'm really interested in makes be stay up longer than I should while I happily go to bed when 2 Koreans (which I don't know well) battle it out.
On September 17 2012 22:13 Champloo wrote: Awesome event, only downside was again Twitch.
I also agree that the high viewers numbers was most likely because there were no Koreans in it. I personally turn the stream off when the top 4 are all Korean and I'm pretty sure there are a lot who do the same.
You are plain wrong sir. It all depends who is actually playing and what event is, nothing to do with koreans imo. This was WCS Europe Finals dude - big event and who was playing - big guns. Audience was expected.
Last but not least: EVENT WAS SPECTACULAR TO WATCH, grazt to DH CREW! And those Stephano Lucifron games - man!
Is that not exactly what he said? Koreans are for the most part boring.
Already posted in the WCS thread but this event deserves more praise! The production, casting, games, venue, meet'n'greets, fan interaction, music, giveaways/free stuff + the chance to play HotS beta, win a smartphone and sign up for the open beta, all of these things combined made the greatest event I've ever attended and had to pleasure to experience. It cost me a smaller fortune for travel and food expenses + lodging but it was all worth it. Dreamhack + Blizzard managed to pull off what most tournaments strive for, it was close to perfection! The only downside was that it was only 2 days and not the entire weekend :D
On September 17 2012 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: I'm curious as to why this event got viewer numbers that seemed so much higher than all other recent events. I mean I've seen 40k-50k for other premier tournaments. MLG didn't release their Raleigh numbers so it's safe to assume they weren't great (not surprising since the event didn't have 1/10th as much hype as Anaheim). Was this event just better advertised?
It didn't hurt that this was Stephanos first big tourny since joining EG, and he was going on an absolute rampage.
No koreans I think actually, most people prefer to watch players they like and with personality rather then koreans with only pure skill.
Implying that Koreans don't have personality? Can't believe it.
Yeah man, see a select few post that too often now.
This event was going to do well regardless.
You relate to them because you don't have to go through a translator and you can understand their English.
We watch to be entertained and yet you still heard people complain in the live report: "Oh God, zvz see you guys later."
You honestly think that is any different from the xenophobic comments we get?
On September 17 2012 22:13 Champloo wrote: Awesome event, only downside was again Twitch.
I also agree that the high viewers numbers was most likely because there were no Koreans in it. I personally turn the stream off when the top 4 are all Korean and I'm pretty sure there are a lot who do the same.
You are plain wrong sir. It all depends who is actually playing and what event is, nothing to do with koreans imo. This was WCS Europe Finals dude - big event and who was playing - big guns. Audience was expected.
Last but not least: EVENT WAS SPECTACULAR TO WATCH, grazt to DH CREW! And those Stephano Lucifron games - man!
Is that not exactly what he said? Koreans are for the most part boring.
You have very limited exposure to them then.
Generalizations will get you far in life.
Go watch some group selections with subtitles. Then come back.
How did you like Lowely's interviews?
If you think some of the interviews are any different from what you get translated from some of the Koreans. I be baffled.
Why do people have a need to force others to think like they do? If many guys don't want so see a korean top10 just let it be.. Do we all have to like the same thing? We all watch GSL so it's not like anyone hates koreans.. we love and support them thru GSL!
Great tournament, one of the best ever for me! Unfortunatly didn't manage to watch that many games, but i'm watching some VODS!
On September 17 2012 22:13 Champloo wrote: Awesome event, only downside was again Twitch.
I also agree that the high viewers numbers was most likely because there were no Koreans in it. I personally turn the stream off when the top 4 are all Korean and I'm pretty sure there are a lot who do the same.
I kinda agree.
Well, I don't turn it off "because" of only Koreans if I still have time, but a final of 2 players I'm really interested in makes be stay up longer than I should while I happily go to bed when 2 Koreans (which I don't know well) battle it out.
Agreed, why stay up for games where you simply don't care whether player a og b wins and have already satisfied your SC2 need by watching earlier games. This is the problem for most premier tournaments, Koreans whose personality is not outgoing reaching the final rounds. I think this makes many Europeans choose to go to bed at a proper time (MLG, NASL, IPL, etc oftentimes end between 1-3AM CEST on sundays, ie. sleep deprivation!).
WCS EU goes to show two things: 1. You can have a very successfull tournament without 10-30 code A-S Koreans participating. 2. WCS is in itself attractive enough to pull high viewernumber. Stop holding WCS on top of other premier tournaments (WCS - USA / MLG and WCS - NA / MLG guilty of this!).
Finaly, great production Dreamhack! Keep it up :-)!
I don't understand why people would turn off the stream when there's only Koreans left... are you telling me people watch these tournaments for things other than the matches?
To me whatever 4 are left in the tournament got there because they were better than everyone else, and the better players vs. each other only makes me want to watch more.
On September 17 2012 23:49 shell wrote: Why do people have a need to force others to think like they do? If many guys don't want so see a korean top10 just let it be.. Do we all have to like the same thing? We all watch GSL so it's not like anyone hates koreans.. we love and support them thru GSL!
Great tournament, one of the best ever for me! Unfortunatly didn't manage to watch that many games, but i'm watching some VODS!
Thanks you blizzard and DH!
I'm not forcing anyone to like Koreans. I'm pointing out how oblivious they are every time they feel the need to post, "Oh so and so is no longer in it. Not going to watch," or "Only Koreans left not going to watch," or "ZvZ not going to watch."
At the end of the day, it changes nothing and all they're doing is taking a dump in those threads. It doesn't change my viewing pleasure at all. They waste their time with those cheeky remarks. If they aren't happy with it then let your actions speak for itself instead of posting that shit.
You don't find the entertainment in it? Fine. Not my problem, it's your's.
On September 18 2012 00:01 NuKE[vZ] wrote: I don't understand why people would turn off the stream when there's only Koreans left... are you telling me people watch these tournaments for things other than the matches?
To me whatever 4 are left in the tournament got there because they were better than everyone else, and the better players vs. each other only makes me want to watch more.
Oftentimes American premier tournaments ends between 1-3AM for us Europeans, so I will go to bed unless if I am very excited about one or two of the finalists. If you don't know or don't care about the two finalists I might just as well go to bed and watch the games at some later time if they are recommended. I often watch the finals of European premier tournaments, but those also end at reasonable hours so I am not punished with a horrible monday by watching it.
It was an overall good and very entertaining thing to watch =) Everytime I see a new show from the DH team I see the good old things mixed with some good new things minus the bad things from the previous show!
On September 18 2012 00:27 Zorkmid wrote: Great tournament! I watched a little bit. Saw the Lowely v. Lucifron series.
Is it just me, or do EU tournaments get way more viewers? There were over 100,000 on the English stream alone!
I don't remember an MLG getting those kind of numbers.
Better times i believe. And also MLG doesn't show stream numbers, or?
Better times because the most viewers are always during the grand final and that is usually at around 22:00 European time, which makes it watchable for American viewers as well. I don't know about asian viewers and if they watch different streams, but i think the majority of the viewers come from Europe and America.
Now take MLG... the grand final usually happens at 3:00 (earliest) on monday in european time... not so good.
On topic: Great tournament of course. Lucifon vs Stephano was easily the best match.
On September 18 2012 00:27 Zorkmid wrote: Great tournament! I watched a little bit. Saw the Lowely v. Lucifron series.
Is it just me, or do EU tournaments get way more viewers? There were over 100,000 on the English stream alone!
I don't remember an MLG getting those kind of numbers.
Better times i believe. And also MLG doesn't show stream numbers, or?
Better times because the most viewers are always during the grand final and that is usually at around 22:00 European time, which makes it watchable for American viewers as well. I don't know about asian viewers and if they watch different streams, but i think the majority of the viewers come from Europe and America.
Now take MLG... the grand final usually happens at 3:00 (earliest) on monday in european time... not so good.
On topic: Great tournament of course. Lucifon vs Stephano was easily the best match.
1)Better times 2)Better story lines 3)Better featured games 4)Free HD 5)Free HD 6)Free HD 7)Better Production 8)Oh, and Stephano is pretty popular
Free HD being the most important to me. I can't count how many times I've turned off MLG just because I didn't feel like straining my eyes trying to see blob vs blob battles in a mildly interesting game that I couldn't care less about the outcome.
On September 18 2012 00:01 NuKE[vZ] wrote: I don't understand why people would turn off the stream when there's only Koreans left... are you telling me people watch these tournaments for things other than the matches?
To me whatever 4 are left in the tournament got there because they were better than everyone else, and the better players vs. each other only makes me want to watch more.
For me If I want to watch Koreans duking it out then I watch GSL (rarely I do nowdays). But not everything is about perfect play / skill. Its about excitement and rivalries. Which country/player is best in Europe (until next premier event). ETC...
oh to my list i forgot to add, BIG thumb up for Free HD, 720p+ didn't work so well (whoever said it's my internet connection, no it's not, i repeat once again), 720p worked fine. MLG you hearing? No adverts, FREE HD
On September 18 2012 00:41 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But not everything is about perfect play / skill. Its about excitement and rivalries. Which country/player is best in Europe (until next premier event). ETC...
On September 18 2012 00:41 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But not everything is about perfect play / skill. Its about excitement and rivalries. Which country/player is best in Europe (until next premier event). ETC...
- Sick stadium - Coach discussion - No BS extended series to ruin the final - High production - Pretty good music - incredinle casters - Awesome games - Awesome crowd - Awesome players
On September 18 2012 00:52 nyaru267 wrote: - Sick stadium - Coach discussion - No BS extended series to ruin the final - High production - Pretty good music - incredinle casters - Awesome games - Awesome crowd - Awesome players
On September 18 2012 00:55 snam wrote: Wasnt the final extended series?
Sort of but on a much better format imho. Whoever was coming from the winners bracket, only had to win a single BO3, whoever was coming form the LB had to win 2 BO3. Seems fair
On September 17 2012 22:13 Champloo wrote: Awesome event, only downside was again Twitch.
I also agree that the high viewers numbers was most likely because there were no Koreans in it. I personally turn the stream off when the top 4 are all Korean and I'm pretty sure there are a lot who do the same.
You are plain wrong sir. It all depends who is actually playing and what event is, nothing to do with koreans imo. This was WCS Europe Finals dude - big event and who was playing - big guns. Audience was expected.
Last but not least: EVENT WAS SPECTACULAR TO WATCH, grazt to DH CREW! And those Stephano Lucifron games - man!
Is that not exactly what he said? Koreans are for the most part boring.
You have very limited exposure to them then.
Generalizations will get you far in life.
Go watch some group selections with subtitles. Then come back.
How did you like Lowely's interviews?
If you think some of the interviews are any different from what you get translated from some of the Koreans. I be baffled.
Yupp, is that my fault or theirs?
I said for the most part, thats not a generalization.. MC for example has a great personality.
I have seen it and all there is, is some "for the show" trash talk.. None of them mean what they are saying and in the end its just a show that gomtv probably ask them to put up.
At least he is trying, not like he is used to be in the spotlight like most Koreans.
I must say I've been enjoying the tournament and the pause entertainment. Not only the videos themselves, but the chaos videos like slagsmålsklubben creates in the live thread. Well played, dreamhack.
On September 18 2012 00:43 Castigo wrote: oh to my list i forgot to add, BIG thumb up for Free HD, 720p+ didn't work so well (whoever said it's my internet connection, no it's not, i repeat once again), 720p worked fine. MLG you hearing? No adverts, FREE HD
Are you SURE? Did you manually try different servers?
I'd like to take this chance to bump this thread, because DH stockholm was absolutely amazing, the games were fantastic for the most part, the stories were amazing. A little bittersweet about Leenock taking the victory in the end but this is still the first tournament that has given me nerd chills time and time again for at least a year.
If I had one complaint about this event it's that day 2 was way, way better than day 1 as a spectacle. There was way too many games on day 1 making it impossible to see the overwhelming majority of them. The first group stage could have been ditched entirely, made best of 1 or played online to allow us to see more from group stage 2 & 3.
I'm not hugely fond of Best of 3 in Semi/Quarter finals either. For example, in the Jaedong/Naniwa series Jaedong won the mind games in game 1, Naniwa in game 2 and game 3 was an extremely close game. They looked evenly matched to me, obviously Naniwa deserved to go through because he won the series but he didn't really demonstrate that he's a better ZvP player in those games because the only game that wasn't pure mind games was Game 3, which was a really close game. Best of five much better allows for the better player to advance and show why they deserve to advance.
Players should never be playing pointless games in group stages, their win rate in these games must be close to 0%. It's unfair and it's terrible to watch as a spectator.
Overall though this was a brilliant event I just had a few issues with the format even though overall groups into single elimination is the best format so please stick with that and don't use any double elimination rubbish.
Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
The crowd was amazing, especially during the quarter finals and later due to everyone being in their seats (less going on outside the main area). Later in the evening people got pretty drunk too which wasn't bad for the atmosphere . A bar on the floor in the main area was perfect and I hope they do it again next year.
Along with the rest of what everyone else said, I think just the live audience there was amazing. I was not there, but even on stream, their excitement carried over. EU (Swedish) audiences seem to be much more into it than other places. So awesome!
Thank you, Dreamhack~ Looking forward to future tournaments from you guys
The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
I was there so I have no idea how the stream etc was, but for you guys saying the crowd was amazing, I sure hope the sou nd from the crowd came through in game 2 between Naniwa and Jaedong, that momen was absolutely sick at the event
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system too keep the days shorter and avoid tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system to keep the days shorter and no tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
IMO there is no reason for an open bracket now that ameaturs already have somewhere to make a name for themselves in WCS Europe if they're good enough.
Has any random player from the open bracket ever actually made a name for themselves at a Dreamhack?
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system to keep the days shorter and no tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
IMO there is no reason for an open bracket now that ameaturs already have somewhere to make a name for themselves in WCS Europe if they're good enough.
Has any random player from the open bracket ever actually made a name for themselves at a Dreamhack?
starnan with a top 4 placement in 2012 DreamHack Open: Bucharest and verdi got top 16 this dreamhack both of whom would never have gotten an invite. New blood is always going to come into the scene as long as its doing well.
+Fraer got top 3 - 2012 DreamHack Open: Summer +Seiplo got top 8 - DreamHack Winter 2011
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system to keep the days shorter and no tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
IMO there is no reason for an open bracket now that ameaturs already have somewhere to make a name for themselves in WCS Europe if they're good enough.
Has any random player from the open bracket ever actually made a name for themselves at a Dreamhack?
starnan with a top 4 placement in 2012 DreamHack Open: Bucharest and verdi got top 16 this dreamhack both of whom would never have gotten an invite. New blood is always going to come into the scene as long as its doing well.
And you consider those stories worth 25% of the tournament and us having to have best of 3's in the semi and quarter finals?
Given the timeframe DH had, it was pretty close to perfect. BO3 in semis is understandable given how many games had to be played in a single day.
I had no problems with stream, and when I did have problem, I had to refresh a few times to get it back to super quality with no lag.
Casters where absolutely amazing, cant complain at all, and InControl doing his thing is mandatory in any event imo, it really makes it seem more fun, and not so serious, reminding that this is a fun joyful event.
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system to keep the days shorter and no tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
IMO there is no reason for an open bracket now that ameaturs already have somewhere to make a name for themselves in WCS Europe if they're good enough.
Has any random player from the open bracket ever actually made a name for themselves at a Dreamhack?
starnan with a top 4 placement in 2012 DreamHack Open: Bucharest and verdi got top 16 this dreamhack both of whom would never have gotten an invite. New blood is always going to come into the scene as long as its doing well.
And you consider those stories worth 25% of the tournament and us having to have best of 3's in the semi and quarter finals?
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system to keep the days shorter and no tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
IMO there is no reason for an open bracket now that ameaturs already have somewhere to make a name for themselves in WCS Europe if they're good enough.
Has any random player from the open bracket ever actually made a name for themselves at a Dreamhack?
starnan with a top 4 placement in 2012 DreamHack Open: Bucharest and verdi got top 16 this dreamhack both of whom would never have gotten an invite. New blood is always going to come into the scene as long as its doing well.
And you consider those stories worth 25% of the tournament and us having to have best of 3's in the semi and quarter finals?
This can be fixed by using GSLs group system.
And then play the first knockout round of day 1? If that works out for time I'd be okay with that.
bo3's are sort of anticlimactic especially for semi-finals. I know they were short on time, but we really need to find a way to make those matches longer and please get rid of the dreaded coin-flip.
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system to keep the days shorter and no tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
IMO there is no reason for an open bracket now that ameaturs already have somewhere to make a name for themselves in WCS Europe if they're good enough.
Has any random player from the open bracket ever actually made a name for themselves at a Dreamhack?
starnan with a top 4 placement in 2012 DreamHack Open: Bucharest and verdi got top 16 this dreamhack both of whom would never have gotten an invite. New blood is always going to come into the scene as long as its doing well.
And you consider those stories worth 25% of the tournament and us having to have best of 3's in the semi and quarter finals?
I consider them worth 100% of the tournament, since that's what the tournament is all about, hence why it's called the DreamHack Open.
If you want endless invite only tournaments, that's fine. Some of us would rather have Opens.
On April 28 2013 23:40 Killcani wrote: The format was actually pretty bad the days were very long with too many games. The mainstream on day 1 choice of games were bad aswell and it was really hard to know what was going on.
There's a lot to be said imo for what MLG did last time where there was a small number of players but you saw every game and basically every game was top level.
No I support dreamhack for having an open tournament and imo it's needed but it can be done way better. They should've been flexible with their stream schedules and choosen games were someone was facing elimination. They should've done regular updates on the brackets from liquipedia on stream as too who were dropping out and if possible doing recaps of the most important games like NASL did.
Day 2 was alot better and the finals were great.
+Great casters and host (Artosis<3) +Good games +Great player pool +The only open tournament now? +FREE 720p +Awsome crowd and the stage looked amazing
-12+ hour days are too long (casters and players tired) -Group system should change to GSLs system to keep the days shorter and no tiebreakers -Better featured games on day 1 -Keep the stream updated on the storylines on day 1 and who is elimated by who and how (this needs to be fixed)
IMO there is no reason for an open bracket now that ameaturs already have somewhere to make a name for themselves in WCS Europe if they're good enough.
Has any random player from the open bracket ever actually made a name for themselves at a Dreamhack?
starnan with a top 4 placement in 2012 DreamHack Open: Bucharest and verdi got top 16 this dreamhack both of whom would never have gotten an invite. New blood is always going to come into the scene as long as its doing well.
And you consider those stories worth 25% of the tournament and us having to have best of 3's in the semi and quarter finals?
I consider them worth 100% of the tournament, since that's what the tournament is all about, hence why it's called the DreamHack Open.
If you want endless invite only tournaments, that's fine. Some of us would rather have Opens.
Positive: - NASL stream, just brilliant to have another high quality stream besides the mainstream and NASL is always a good bet. Bitterdam always deliver, huge props to them and everyone else at NASL. NASL and Dreamhack are a prefect match. - Community streams, some weren't up to DH quality production (DH make a overlay next time so all community streams can use the same) but as always i appreciate the hard work those streamers do. - 720p 60fps mainstream was great, shame twitch cant handle the load they now a days often get but the stream quality was once again great. - Casters and hosts did a great job as usual. Fun interviews, good casting, good observing etc etc. - Dreamhack sound guy, awesome dude! - New main stage looked sick and a great show overall. - Sick crowd and the roof blew off the building a couple of times. - TL LR thread in the early quieter hours of the day
Negative: - No player cams on screen in the Ro8, essential for me as a viewer. Those eye shots we saw a couple of times doesn't really work and looked like well thats all we can do. - The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen. - Inconsistency with Gameheart features, some games we saw team logo's on the map and other games we didn't. - Player colors, there were times that the player colors switched between maps and it can be confusing as fuck. - No couch in the middle of the crowd, interviews after the match on a couch gives a more relaxed and less rushed vibe and make players look more comfortable cause almost every player is awkward as fuck to look at on stage/interviews. - Stop doing interviews before matches, its stupid and dont make them walk through the crowd. Just introduce them one by one on the stage, let them shake hands and let them go in the booths. And here we go again, there is a reason why this (interviews before a match) doesn't happen in other sports. You think Jon Jones wanted to do a interview right before he walked in the octagon last night to smash Chael's head in? Hmmm nope, so just stop it.
But i had a great weekend and i know im nitpicking for the most part but if you show high standards like DH does, all there is left to criticize are small things.
Such an amazing event, I felt the production was the best so far in any foreign tournament. The grand finals really was the frosting on the cake, the tournament deserved to end in such an amazing fashion. God I was rooting for Nani, as was probably everyone at dreamhack as well. Huge props to the audience for being so polite and showing their appreciation for the champion :D
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote: Positive: - NASL stream, just brilliant to have another high quality stream besides the mainstream and NASL is always a good bet. Bitterdam always deliver, huge props to them and everyone else at NASL. NASL and Dreamhack are a prefect match. - Community streams, some weren't up to DH quality production (DH make a overlay next time so all community streams can use the same) but as always i appreciate the hard work those streamers do. - 720p 60fps mainstream was great, shame twitch cant handle the load they now a days often get but the stream quality was once again great. - Casters and hosts did a great job as usual. Fun interviews, good casting, good observing etc etc. - Dreamhack sound guy, awesome dude! - New main stage looked sick and a great show overall. - Sick crowd and the roof blew off the building a couple of times. - TL LR thread in the early quieter hours of the day
Negative: - No player cams on screen in the Ro8, essential for me as a viewer. Those eye shots we saw a couple of times doesn't really work and looked like well thats all we can do. - The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen. - Inconsistency with Gameheart features, some games we saw team logo's on the map and other games we didn't. - Player colors, there were times that the player colors switched between maps and it can be confusing as fuck. - No couch in the middle of the crowd, interviews after the match on a couch gives a more relaxed and less rushed vibe and make players look more comfortable cause almost every player is awkward as fuck to look at on stage/interviews. - Stop doing interviews before matches, its stupid and dont make them walk through the crowd. Just introduce them one by one on the stage, let them shake hands and let them go in the booths. And here we go again, there is a reason why this (interviews before a match) doesn't happen in other sports. You think Jon Jones wanted to do a interview right before he walked in the octagon last night to smash Chael's head in? Hmmm nope, so just stop it.
But i had a great weekend and i know im nitpicking for the most part but if you show high standards like DH does, all there is left to criticize are small things.
Wat? Without interviews before the match, we would of never had the infamous "Fuck You" from FruitDealer.
That is worth a million terrible awkward interviews to get that one super hype moment that everyone cheers for.
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote: - The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.
Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
Same with England. Our football atmosphere's are pretty good (not Eastern European, Turkey or Argentina good) but good for Western Europe but at Esports event we're pretty flat.
Are football crowds in Germany that good outside of the Ruhr? I've never been impressed with Bayern's atmosphere. Perhaps you need more events in Gelsenkirchen and Dortmund? Also your Esports events are almost always at Cebit type events which are always crap for atmosphere no matter where they're held.
Pros: Free HD stream Fantastic casters Good Crowd Entertaining DJ during breaks Good distribution of races and countries Good timing (during weekend etc) Double stream High quality production and useful time stamps/schedule/brackets Entertaining extra content / hype content 120k+ Viewers
Cons: Highly biased especially near the end with the casters (I know its the easiest way to build hype to support the local country men but I feel it was over the top and alienating to the koreans) Possibly a better tournament system (they ended up literally flipping a coin to decide who got through for Luci, Yugioh and Strelok)
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
Are football crowds in Germany that good outside of the Ruhr?
I don't know, as I don't follow football. But the folks at Schalke (Gelsenkirchen) and Dortmund always seem to have a blast. Should be similar for non-Ruhr areas.
Back to Dreamhack:
Pros:
+Apollo and Artosis +awesome players +sick production +lower downtimes +fucking hilarious host +lots and lots of content +NASL-inclusion +enthusiastic crowd +great games (though, to be fair, this is barely a credit to Dreamhack)
Cons:
- felt a little rushed at times, I'd have preferred a three-day-event
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
I agree so much with that last part that I had to make it bigger.
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Also: about DreamHack: I rly liked Artosis this time, normally I dont rly like or dislike him, I see him as one of the top casters but at this Event he rly shined (for me) and was awesome, maybe it was the Apollo+Artosis combo? Im not sure, yet he was pure awesome that weekend!
Great event! I watched all that I could here in NA central time - understandably much of the content was on while I was at work, but not all (and maybe I got in a series or two at work :D). Thanks Dreamhack for doing what you do!
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
Not always true, although this tournament is the only expection i can think of. Specially that game. Having GoOdy in the grandfinals might have helped too.
I especially liked the fact that community streams helped to broadcast the games on the 1st day, so it was possible to watch almost any match you like. The only point of improvement here is that it is difficult to keep up on when which game will be played, whether it will be streamed and where.
Some points which could be improved in my opinion: - It would be great if streamers would be able to announce via some common place (could be twitter as someone else proposed) which match will be coming up next on their channel, so you can go to the channel which has the match you would like to see. Or have some kind of dashboard on the web site with the streams and which games they are/will be casting - I was rather disappointed when the DreamHack main stream ended on the first day, while there were still many games to be played in other groups and without giving an update on who advanced from the different groups
For the rest the whole thing was great, please keep up the good work !
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
I agree so much with that last part that I had to make it bigger.
This statement is so blatantly wrong, that it hurts me physically. Video game tournaments should not be held at expos, and ESL/IEM rightfully suffer for their stupidity to continue this, but pretending that german crowds are bad in general is amazingly ignorant. Look at LCS, where the german crowd actually gets excited because the production is good. SC2 has got really disappointing production quality, considering where it started in 2010 and where it SHOULD be by now. I wouln't get excited for the joke of a production that IEM events offer. But if you want to keep ignoring facts and come off as a racist douche, be my guest.
The streams on Day 1 could have been organised better. There were times when the main stream had extended breaks while there were 5 other matches going on. Obviously it would be quite difficult to necessarily be in all of those games, but they could restream a "community" cast or NASL, or at least show a list of which games are on which other streams so that people if they want can find a game more easily. As it was it was just downtime/crowd cams for a while on the main stream when there were loads of games on.
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
I agree so much with that last part that I had to make it bigger.
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Also: about DreamHack: I rly liked Artosis this time, normally I dont rly like or dislike him, I see him as one of the top casters but at this Event he rly shined (for me) and was awesome, maybe it was the Apollo+Artosis combo? Im not sure, yet he was pure awesome that weekend!
Artosis is very adeptive. When he casts with tasteless he usually goes with the random talk instead of talking about the actual game but with Apollo they were actually talking about scouting and such. Wish he was like that during GSL as well
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
i was in Hannover for Intel Extreme masters and i have to agree kind off! The crowd at the LoL event (same Hall) was awesome and was cheering for every team (only korean teams in finals)! German crowd is kind of lame but can be very cheerfull as well. So maybe its also a bit a Sc2-Thing. And yes Microphone setup is also very important. I wanted to write a long thread about that subject but i don´t have time and my english is way to bad for a good thread TT!!
on Topic:
event was crazy good, missed the couch though, and incontroll was very nervous and as always way to much downtime and lag-issues. everything else absolutely amazing.
Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.
If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.
If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.
This is pretty much my only complaint. It was difficult finding a decent stream schedule. The website did provide times, but it was presented in a very poor format.
10:30 CEST RO16 Match 1 11:30 CEST RO16 Match 2 12:30 CEST RO16 Match 3 13:30 CEST RO16 Match 4
This way inconvenient and not helpful at all. A page listing what match, containing what players, at what hours and on what stream would have been awesome. This information was posted in a TL thread, but I can not understand why this information was nowhere on the DH website. I don't want to search on TL for this info, I want all the info on your DH website.
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
I agree so much with that last part that I had to make it bigger.
This statement is so blatantly wrong, that it hurts me physically. Video game tournaments should not be held at expos, and ESL/IEM rightfully suffer for their stupidity to continue this, but pretending that german crowds are bad in general is amazingly ignorant. Look at LCS, where the german crowd actually gets excited because the production is good. SC2 has got really disappointing production quality, considering where it started in 2010 and where it SHOULD be by now. I wouln't get excited for the joke of a production that IEM events offer. But if you want to keep ignoring facts and come off as a racist douche, be my guest.
Want to agree with you, the amount of unprofessional garbage that happens is pretty insane in 2013, the latest MLG and IEM being a example, or the SC2 tournaments STILL where streams randomly go down or mega-awkward stuff happens like inviting terrible casters to huge events.
I don't watch much LoL or DOTA2 but never have I seen a stream go down... not that it hasn't happened, I haven't seen it.
Was pretty much, one of the best event in a long time.
The only downside is between games, it wasnt written like next game in 1 hour or something like that. Day 1 was also really hard to follow, I usually like to watch korean vs korean or top foreigner vs korean and it was pretty hard to find thoses games...
the interviews, music, gameheart, caster, everything else was really a success !
It would be nice, if the first day there was somewhere a list of streams and what games are going on them (and broadcasted ones). Constantly updated. Because having open 6 streams and always checking if there is something going on is quite inconvenient.
On April 28 2013 23:15 Daumen wrote: Since some time now ive been checking out the Crowd cheers on events (on the stream). Ever since everyone said that Katowice had such a great crowd, I noticed that this DreamHack had an AWESOME crowd especially compared to the last German event in Hannover wich was very dismal -.- (No idea if we Germans are less Cheery or if the Production Crew didnt set up the mics in a way that would allow the crowds cheer to be heard on stream).
But in the last years DreamHack and in the one before, the Swedish crowd used to Cheer to Korean Statements before they were translated, that was awesome and funny ;D It didnt happen this time ;<
German crowds simply suck.
It's pathetic, no matter what you watch or listen to, there's so little enthusiasm...
I've been to countless concerts, festivals and even two esports-events and although it's far, far, far worse for the latter (smelly, fat, unwashed nerd-clichés with stony faces and an absolute ineptitude for the English language), even at Rock am Ring people severely lack passion.
It's sad that the only thing that gets German crowds really emotional is football.
I thought Wacken Open Air were some of the most fantastic concert festivals worldwide. :s
Enjoyed every minute of it, the stage setup and the crowd were fantastic, Apollo, Artosis, Dennis and Geoff were amazing. If there was one thing that could have been better is to have more camera shots of the players during the games, something that only ProLeague does very well. Other than that, fantastic tournament.
One of the best tournaments ever. Artosis/Apollo cast is very high quality. For Naniwa to do so well against Koreans is awesome. He is undoubtedly the best foreigner in HotS at the moment. The stream schedule seemed kind of disorganized, but overall the event was too damn good to make much complaints.
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.
If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.
I had no any problem with day1. There was so many streams and so much to watch. No matter if dh stream was offline, there were sereval other streamers. And these was even thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409604) what games comes. I could watch every game that I wanted...
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.
If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.
At first I was like "WUT is he babbling about?" having saturday's supreme stream quality, casting and production in mind.
Then I took a deep breath and I have to agree, tournaments do rely too much on community sites like TL for example. For people already accustomed to this sort of "bad tradition" it was not all that bad, but if you want to grow esports even more I think that's a good start to improve quite a bit more and make it even more viewer friendly. Really have a coverage page and make it easy for people to select between games and the stream where they are being played. Also this time the timetable was not very helpful as already said.
Apart from that I feel the second day was pretty much excellent - maybe the breaks were a bit too long between games but I also see that casters and players need their time.
DH, you are already excellent. Strive for perfection!
I had an awesome time watching dreamhack this weekend. I plugged my notebook via hdmi to the TV and damn, this is so good. Even my parents now know Leenock and Naniwa!
Thank you DH for making my saturday a really good one. First I go outside and get a new personal best on my discgolf course, then straight home to sit basically the rest of the day watching awesome games casted by awesome people <3
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.
If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.
I'm sorry but I really can't believe this is anything but devil's advocating and nit picking. I mean, who doesn't check a TL LR thread for info as their first point of call if they ever have any questions? It's pretty insulting to opterown to just ignore all the work he puts in. There is a reason the LR threads from the latest DreamHack got a combined view count of over a million.
Skipping that point entirely there was also a schedule posted beneath the twitch tv stream, you simply had to scroll down, it's still there now. There was also a link ABOVE the stream to all Dreamhack Stockholm Open stream partners:
Lol. I'm retarded. Clicked this thread and thought it was made for the most recent DH, and was so confused about all the talk of Hero winning on the first few pages.
I just wanted to praise how well Apollo and Artosis where casting together. I'm fairly certain its the best duo I've seen. I loved how they where very game oriented, and asking opinions on different builds etc.
Oh and Incontrol, you have got to do the interviews at every single future tounament!
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.
If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.
At first I was like "WUT is he babbling about?" having saturday's supreme stream quality, casting and production in mind.
Then I took a deep breath and I have to agree, tournaments do rely too much on community sites like TL for example. For people already accustomed to this sort of "bad tradition" it was not all that bad, but if you want to grow esports even more I think that's a good start to improve quite a bit more and make it even more viewer friendly. Really have a coverage page and make it easy for people to select between games and the stream where they are being played. Also this time the timetable was not very helpful as already said.
Apart from that I feel the second day was pretty much excellent - maybe the breaks were a bit too long between games but I also see that casters and players need their time.
DH, you are already excellent. Strive for perfection!
I think there was a really good schedule posted here on teamliquid for day 1. Every single match was listed for every stream so i knew exactly when to watch which stream. for day 2 i couldnt find anything comparable for the first play off rounds, when there were still community streams. That was more confusing for me.
On April 29 2013 02:20 NonY wrote: Terrible experience trying to watch Day 1 live. I wake up, go to twitch.tv and see DH is live, tune in, and for 1h20m there's no content nor info except an image of the tournament format and occasional live shots of a hall. I google DH's web site and check all over for more info and I found a schedule (that turned out to be inaccurate) and a list of partner streams (that turned out to not be comprehensive) with no info about what's on each one. Finally a friend shows me that a DH admin is updating stream info in a post on the TL forums (???). I can start watching some of the matches I wanted to watch but with DH's famed production quality obviously absent.
It was pretty much the worst you could expect, depending on how you view allowing various online broadcasters to stream your tournament games. If you view that favorably then yeah there is flexible/constant coverage but it's extremely inconvenient to follow it. Until you find where the DH admin was posting the info it was absolutely terrible. And even then it's definitely an amateurish way to present a tournament and inconvenient to follow. At the very least, build a coverage web page and constantly update it and put it at dreamhack.se like anyone googling would expect, not one small link at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=36 , an unaffiliated site's forums.
If anything, DH made my preference for VODs and replays even stronger.
At first I was like "WUT is he babbling about?" having saturday's supreme stream quality, casting and production in mind.
Then I took a deep breath and I have to agree, tournaments do rely too much on community sites like TL for example. For people already accustomed to this sort of "bad tradition" it was not all that bad, but if you want to grow esports even more I think that's a good start to improve quite a bit more and make it even more viewer friendly. Really have a coverage page and make it easy for people to select between games and the stream where they are being played. Also this time the timetable was not very helpful as already said.
Apart from that I feel the second day was pretty much excellent - maybe the breaks were a bit too long between games but I also see that casters and players need their time.
DH, you are already excellent. Strive for perfection!
I think there was a really good schedule posted here on teamliquid for day 1. Every single match was listed for every stream so i knew exactly when to watch which stream. for day 2 i couldnt find anything comparable for the first play off rounds, when there were still community streams. That was more confusing for me.
I agree, when you are on TL it's not all bad - though to make it really easy without following the thread etc. that's something they - and other tournaments - could improve on. Sure one could argue "who in their right mind is into SC2 and not on TL?" but still I think the point is a valid one.
Yet I don't agree at all with the poster who mentioned that criticizing this in particular is like a punch in Opterown's face or something. What Opterown and other's do is invaluable and is exactly what makes TL the TL we love - and has hardly anything to do with the complaints on a very high level on the DH event and their schedule info. Try to imagine how chaotic and actually unpleasant it would have been without the additional service Opterown and others provide?
I would not have used the strong language Nony used but his point in general is something that is worth mentioning.
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote: - The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.
Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.
Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.
Thx Dreamhack for giving us the most professionnal production value seen in a western e-sports event!
If I had on critic to make though (and it would drawn in an ocean of compliments if I had to detail every aspect that rocked) it is that the event only last 2 days but features 96 players, therefore, we miss a big part of the action (even with all streams opened at once :D). But I guess it's not your fault and you already do your best within the limited amount of time you have (2 days only :'( )
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote: - The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.
Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.
Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.
The Overlay is actually Gameheart, and the author mentionned that he decided to put the scores/mineral in the bottom, and don't want to go back on his decision. I think he have good reasons to, because as everyone he probably began to pt it on the top. But I don't really mind that the ressources are not in an obvious spot. You are not always looking at the ressources/mineral, just at some key point (after an engagement to see the supplies, in the beggining for the builds,...)
I loved the event, even if I met some friends and missed out of the quarters or the semis. Wished it would have been Bo5 instead of Bo3 but then they wouldn't have been able to play every game on the main stage. I guess you have to compromise.
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote: - The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.
Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.
Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.
I'm quite sure the reason why a lot of scoreboards are placed at the top is because of subtitles being placed at the bottom of the screen. Don't think it has anything to do with how we read since we don't scan the TV from top to bottom each time a new frame appears. Even if we did scan the TV from top to bottom, why would we need to see the supply numbers first?
On April 29 2013 00:25 TheSir wrote: - The overlay didn't do it for me, i dont like it. Some game you didn't even see it was a Dreamhack game cause the logo in the middle of the map (sweet feature) wasn't shown once because the map was big and players didn't use the middle. Scoreboard and mineral info on the bottom sucks, very bad way to show information and ill keep whining about it. There is a reason why almost all sports use scoreboards at he the top of the screen.
Why is that? I thought it was the nicest SC2 overlay ever.
Well there are a lot of reasons and i can explain them in to details but ill keep it short because i dont want long silly discussions about it here but ill give you a very simple reason: we read from top to bottom and not the other way around. Just think on that one.
The Overlay is actually Gameheart, and the author mentionned that he decided to put the scores/mineral in the bottom, and don't want to go back on his decision. I think he have good reasons to, because as everyone he probably began to pt it on the top. But I don't really mind that the ressources are not in an obvious spot. You are not always looking at the ressources/mineral, just at some key point (after an engagement to see the supplies, in the beggining for the builds,...)
But that's the problem. For Starcraft players who play alot, you ALWAYS look at it, every couple seconds. You don't think about it, and you don't WANT to think about it, you're constantly moving your eyes from the minimap in the bottom left across the main screen to the supplies and resources at the top right. You train yourself so that it becomes reflexive and subconscious. Now they move it to the bottom for what? No reason at all. It's fine at the top.
So long as they keep releasing replays, I'll love them forever. As for something relevant to this year's DH, that overlay was freaking awesome! Also very glad Incontrol hosted. He is a great MC.
Always top notch production, with great hosts etc. But this time the most amazing thing was the casting, especially in the finals.
Apollo & Nathanias taking a noob friendly approach to their casting was amazing addition, especially when the national TV got involved. They kept explaining things that we most likely know already, but everyone might not.
Apart from lag and constant production/transition problems, everything was well done. They might want to consider 1 more pair of casters so they dont have to make casters talk for 12+ hours a day, it really forces them to conserve their voices, as they gotta hype the finals.
Dreamhack always impresses... can't think of anything that went truly wrong this time around either. Kudos to everybody! It's an amazing thing that you can read the OP and think we're talking about the most recent dreamhack. (not completely but the sentiment is always there)
Great event as always. I know everyone is going to come in here and rave about Smix so I'll start with my review of her performance. I think she did a pretty good job, eliminating having a middle man translator definetly works well I liked that, I also thought she did an overall pretty good job of being a host considering it was her first time, hopefully she gets some advice from people more qualified than me on how to improve her hosting. I don't really have an opinion on her mannerisms and speech, if she talks like a girl from Queens talking to her friends minus the swearing I don't care, but I don't know how a wider audience feels about it, especcially considering it was shown on Swedish national television.
On July 21 2013 07:47 iNcontroL wrote: Another superb installment of DH quality events
Casters, hosts, games.. all so good! Loved it <3
Hire this man again too, one way to make a great show greater.
It's a shame that it didn't reach 100K views. But still, a really awesome production! I hope that they had hyped more about this earlier! Could have set up a barcraft for this event
Very good tourney again. Dreamhack never fails to deliver. In my opinion pretty much the best tourney series, even a bit better than most MLG's. And *way* better than WCS, IEM, GSL, OSL, etc etc.
Only thing missing was a 3rd day and better player field overall. Also a bo5 in the semi finals (or a loser bracket on a second stream) would be nice improvements.
On July 21 2013 10:18 Caladan wrote: Very good tourney again. Dreamhack never fails to deliver. In my opinion pretty much the best tourney series, even a bit better than most MLG's. And *way* better than WCS, IEM, GSL, OSL, etc etc.
Only thing missing was a 3rd day and better player field overall. Also a bo5 in the semi finals (or a loser bracket on a second stream) would be nice improvements.
I like GSL, OSL, MLG a lot more than Dreamhack. Especially GSL and OSL.
On July 21 2013 10:18 Caladan wrote: Very good tourney again. Dreamhack never fails to deliver. In my opinion pretty much the best tourney series, even a bit better than most MLG's. And *way* better than WCS, IEM, GSL, OSL, etc etc.
Only thing missing was a 3rd day and better player field overall. Also a bo5 in the semi finals (or a loser bracket on a second stream) would be nice improvements.
I like GSL, OSL, MLG a lot more than Dreamhack. Especially GSL and OSL.
Dreamhack does pretty much everything MLG does but better.
On July 21 2013 10:03 hansonslee wrote: It's a shame that it didn't reach 100K views. But still, a really awesome production! I hope that they had hyped more about this earlier! Could have set up a barcraft for this event
I think a lot of people did not notice that this time it is a 2-day event. I barely did.
I was in Valencia during the event and i obviously went to see the tournament. I was so impressed, the stage was awesome, everything was awesome, and trolling with signs in the final was fun xD
also, getting some tickets for the "vip" party was nice. Jaedong drunk is so crazy, and stephano, well, he is stephano xD
Shame I didn't get to watch the semis and the final (Australian Time Line)
Grats to Taeja, but also Grats to Dreamhack. By far the best foreign tournament - entertaining break times, great casters, great production.
Breaks DID seem to go on forever, but hey... you fill the space with entertainment. The fact the Twitch chat is left to roam free makes it all the better when something funny happens.
Awesome tournament. Excellent format. Amazing coverage(almost all of group stage 3 covered which was nice and most of group stage 2 as well). Great casters, great hosts. The only thing they could have improved on is the location/format of the uploaded vods from all the various broadcasters. I think every broadcaster should have followed the same format. Some uploaded the individual matches as highlights on their twitch channel which was awesome. Others just have the whole day as one chunk under past broadcasts on their channel, which is a little tough to sift through. Another broadcaster uploaded them to youtube. If you try to view them on twitch you must be a subscriber ;/. MLG offerers them only to subscribers as well. All in all mostly praise for this tournament and a little bit of constructive criticism as well for the folks broadcasting. Great job over all to everyone involved at the live event and casting as well. Thanks for your hard work. :D
On July 21 2013 10:03 hansonslee wrote: It's a shame that it didn't reach 100K views. But still, a really awesome production! I hope that they had hyped more about this earlier! Could have set up a barcraft for this event
I think a lot of people did not notice that this time it is a 2-day event. I barely did.
The reason why we didn't reach the 100k limit was that twitch screw up the stream because LCS started in the same time.
A lot of ( me ,too ) switched to the swedish tv channel ( in english) so you can blame twitch for this.
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No but really, 2GD would have done it so much better. As a host you most know the name of the players that are going to play at least. One solution is to let one of the casters act as host for every final, as they did in the end with day9. Tejbz seemed really unprepared and unprofessional, I felt kinda sad for him until he started making those awkward jokes. Hope for something better in that regard next time Dreamhack. 
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