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On November 15 2011 15:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Poll: Should what these two players did be legal?No (73) 70% Yes (31) 30% 104 total votes Your vote: Should what these two players did be legal? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This to me is totally fine. No money was involved, it is done in many sports like F1 to let their other driver win. It is a flawed system is people can drop games to benefit them.
I don't think there is any debate on whether this is an legal issue or not lol
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It's not matchfixing -__-
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On November 15 2011 15:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Poll: Should what these two players did be legal?No (73) 70% Yes (31) 30% 104 total votes Your vote: Should what these two players did be legal? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This to me is totally fine. No money was involved, it is done in many sports like F1 to let their other driver win. It is a flawed system is people can drop games to benefit them.
Why is this even a question? No, absolutely no.
What you just said even proves it - it's done in a flawed system. Flawed as in it needs fixing, that allowing it to happen is inherently wrong.
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On November 15 2011 15:55 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:51 babylon wrote:On November 15 2011 15:45 FairForever wrote:On November 15 2011 15:40 Kiyo. wrote:On November 15 2011 15:39 anrimayu wrote:On November 15 2011 15:38 Termit wrote:On November 15 2011 15:37 kiy0 wrote:On November 15 2011 13:35 dde wrote:
i wonder if he will leave slayers and start looking for foreign team If he does end up leaving SlayerS, what team manager in his sane mind would give a contract to a player that practices match fixing? Probably all of them. And that's why you're not a Korean SC2 team manager. Otherwise, you would've lost all your fans and sponsors for your team. And that's why you should read nested quotes. They're talking about foreign teams, who clearly don't mind when this happens(Millenium, EG, etc) ?? Which players from Mill and EG? The primary ones I can think of are TT1 (ex-fnatic), Haypro (Liquid), Dimaga (mTw)... I can't think of any others immediately off the top of my head. Stephano, Demuslim/IdrA/Axslav, BratOK -- heck, Morrow and Sjow actually matchfixed. It's not a problem for foreign teams. It's the Korean ones who wouldn't touch him. And the question is, why didn't the foreign community speak up and give this sort of reaction when these player you listed threw away their games? Obviously most of these people are just jumping onto the bandwagon when they see the Koreans doing it. Pretty retarded.
Morrow vs. Sjow did blow up to 40+ pages, I believe ... but the community's memory is hilariously short.
I do agree with you though. It's ridiculous how people are looking at this incident and acting as if it's the first time something like this has happened.
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I have one word for those who think this is ok.
Integrity.
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On November 15 2011 15:57 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Poll: Should what these two players did be legal?No (73) 70% Yes (31) 30% 104 total votes Your vote: Should what these two players did be legal? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This to me is totally fine. No money was involved, it is done in many sports like F1 to let their other driver win. It is a flawed system is people can drop games to benefit them. Why is this even a question? No, absolutely no. What you just said even proves it - it's done in a flawed system. Flawed as in it needs fixing, that allowing it to happen is inherently wrong.
So what is the difference with this and with someone playing shitty on purpose? It's not traceable, or are we going to begin accusing everyone of match-fixing now. Only reason the BW were traceable is because there was money attached, connections with outside people. But if it's just two friends deciding on something, good luck enforcing that.
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On November 15 2011 15:56 Kaiyotic wrote:
I think both teams did the right thing. Coca and Byun would be forever haunted by this incident had they not been punished- there'd always be that doubt. This way, they can both clear the air a bit before they continue competing, which I"m sure they will.
Besides, it's unlikely that this will last past February. Indefinite sounds scarier than it actually is, and I think everyone involved in deciding the punishment recognizes the actual scope of the scandal- immature, inappropriate, but not malicious.
Basicly this, no way is this punishment ending there careers, but it is a good way to clear the air. And show that Slayers does not stand for any of this.
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On November 15 2011 15:58 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:55 Fubi wrote:On November 15 2011 15:51 babylon wrote:On November 15 2011 15:45 FairForever wrote:On November 15 2011 15:40 Kiyo. wrote:On November 15 2011 15:39 anrimayu wrote:On November 15 2011 15:38 Termit wrote:On November 15 2011 15:37 kiy0 wrote:On November 15 2011 13:35 dde wrote:
i wonder if he will leave slayers and start looking for foreign team If he does end up leaving SlayerS, what team manager in his sane mind would give a contract to a player that practices match fixing? Probably all of them. And that's why you're not a Korean SC2 team manager. Otherwise, you would've lost all your fans and sponsors for your team. And that's why you should read nested quotes. They're talking about foreign teams, who clearly don't mind when this happens(Millenium, EG, etc) ?? Which players from Mill and EG? The primary ones I can think of are TT1 (ex-fnatic), Haypro (Liquid), Dimaga (mTw)... I can't think of any others immediately off the top of my head. Stephano, Demuslim/IdrA/Axslav, BratOK -- heck, Morrow and Sjow actually matchfixed. It's not a problem for foreign teams. It's the Korean ones who wouldn't touch him. And the question is, why didn't the foreign community speak up and give this sort of reaction when these player you listed threw away their games? Obviously most of these people are just jumping onto the bandwagon when they see the Koreans doing it. Pretty retarded. Morrow vs. Sjow did blow up to 40+ pages, I believe ... but the community's memory is hilariously short. I do agree with you though. It's ridiculous how people are looking at this incident and acting as if it's the first time something like this has happened.
The only reason this had any real traction was the title of the thread - Coca forfeiting his Code S spot? WHAAAA??? What could have happened that he would do such a thing?
The first couple pages show just how little people even knew about the incident.
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Well, I gotta thank Skyrim for wasting my time properly instead of spending hours reading the latest drama threads. Anyways, this really sucks. Coca decided to play all 3 stooges along with Byun and throw a pie in his own face 
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On November 15 2011 15:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:57 _Depression wrote:On November 15 2011 15:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Poll: Should what these two players did be legal?No (73) 70% Yes (31) 30% 104 total votes Your vote: Should what these two players did be legal? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This to me is totally fine. No money was involved, it is done in many sports like F1 to let their other driver win. It is a flawed system is people can drop games to benefit them. Why is this even a question? No, absolutely no. What you just said even proves it - it's done in a flawed system. Flawed as in it needs fixing, that allowing it to happen is inherently wrong. So what is the difference with this and with someone playing shitty on purpose? It's not traceable, or are we going to begin accusing everyone of match-fixing now. Only reason the BW were traceable is because there was money attached, connections with outside people. But if it's just two friends deciding on something, good luck enforcing that.
We're not arguing whether it's traceable or even enforceable. We're arguing where it's acceptable, and that's an entirely different thing. Hell, I stole hundreds of packs of Pokemon and baseball cards from Target and Kmart and Toys'R'Us when I was a kid. Did the fact that no one ever caught me make it so I should legally be able to steal the cards? I shouldn't have to answer that.
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Wow this is a really big deal. wtf. why would you ever think this is a good idea
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Sigh. Poor kids this was really fucking stupid and I'll stand by whatever Boxer, Ga-Yeon, Mr Chae & Byuns Coach decide but I wouldn't dare put it on the same level of SAviOr. I feel bad for them cause they probably meant no harm but unfortunately that doesn't make it okay. I don't agree with what they did but I hope it doesn't end their pro-gaming careers forever since again, I just can't put it on the same scale as the BW matchfixing. They need to lay low for a while, apologize and hope that in the future they're forgiven completely.
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On November 15 2011 16:00 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:58 babylon wrote:On November 15 2011 15:55 Fubi wrote:On November 15 2011 15:51 babylon wrote:On November 15 2011 15:45 FairForever wrote:On November 15 2011 15:40 Kiyo. wrote:On November 15 2011 15:39 anrimayu wrote:On November 15 2011 15:38 Termit wrote:On November 15 2011 15:37 kiy0 wrote:On November 15 2011 13:35 dde wrote:
i wonder if he will leave slayers and start looking for foreign team If he does end up leaving SlayerS, what team manager in his sane mind would give a contract to a player that practices match fixing? Probably all of them. And that's why you're not a Korean SC2 team manager. Otherwise, you would've lost all your fans and sponsors for your team. And that's why you should read nested quotes. They're talking about foreign teams, who clearly don't mind when this happens(Millenium, EG, etc) ?? Which players from Mill and EG? The primary ones I can think of are TT1 (ex-fnatic), Haypro (Liquid), Dimaga (mTw)... I can't think of any others immediately off the top of my head. Stephano, Demuslim/IdrA/Axslav, BratOK -- heck, Morrow and Sjow actually matchfixed. It's not a problem for foreign teams. It's the Korean ones who wouldn't touch him. And the question is, why didn't the foreign community speak up and give this sort of reaction when these player you listed threw away their games? Obviously most of these people are just jumping onto the bandwagon when they see the Koreans doing it. Pretty retarded. Morrow vs. Sjow did blow up to 40+ pages, I believe ... but the community's memory is hilariously short. I do agree with you though. It's ridiculous how people are looking at this incident and acting as if it's the first time something like this has happened. The only reason this had any real traction was the title of the thread - Coca forfeiting his Code S spot? WHAAAA??? What could have happened that he would do such a thing? The first couple pages show just how little people even knew about the incident.
I hadn't heard about any of the match fixing by either foreigner or korean
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On November 15 2011 15:48 Tsubbi wrote:
The 2 friends were fooling around in a freaking online cup that means nothing (sorry Diamond), now his career is basically in shambles.
There are many things i love about the korean culture, but this kind of disprportionate treatment by his team and punishment of a 17 year old is not one of them.
FYI, neither does the Olympics have any outcome or prize (aside from the medals) Olympic Gold medal valued at $1,100
I am pretty sure Tiger Woods' career as a pro-golfer would be over if he threw an Olympic event.
Can you imagine Tiger Woods saying, "It's just a thousand dollar gold medal, lol"
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Coca was rapidly becoming my favourite Code S players; to wake up to such awful news.... I really do hope SlayerS take him back, and soon. With him and Idra in the Slayers house, I want to be able to legitimately talk about how scary SlayerS Zergs are, not just SlayerS Terrans.
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On November 15 2011 15:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Poll: Should what these two players did be legal?No (73) 70% Yes (31) 30% 104 total votes Your vote: Should what these two players did be legal? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This to me is totally fine. No money was involved, it is done in many sports like F1 to let their other driver win. It is a flawed system is people can drop games to benefit them.
1. CoCa and Byun are friends, no longer team mates.
2. There was money involved. The tournament was for $50(?) USD to the winner.
3. Most important point. It's an ethical and disciplinary issue, not a legal one. There are no legal structures in place to prevent it, but that shouldn't stop teams, organizers or regulators from allowing this to happen. What SlayerS are doing is merely setting a precedence that no matter how small the issue, it should not be allowed. Harsh? Probably a little too harsh. But it's a step in the right direction. What those two did showed a blatant disrespect for ESV and as professional gamers they shouldn't have done that. Problem is without SlayerS and Prime self-sanctioning their players this thing would probably get worse. An example needs to be made, and it's just unfortunate that these two got into trouble for it.
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Ouuuuuch. Sucks to be Coca.
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While I don't think match fixing should be allowed gotta give props to Coca for being a good friend.
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On November 15 2011 15:57 Madbanana wrote:
It's not matchfixing -__-
This is by definition, match fixing.
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On November 15 2011 16:04 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 15:48 Tsubbi wrote:
The 2 friends were fooling around in a freaking online cup that means nothing (sorry Diamond), now his career is basically in shambles.
There are many things i love about the korean culture, but this kind of disprportionate treatment by his team and punishment of a 17 year old is not one of them. FYI, neither does the Olympics have any outcome or prize (aside from the medals) Olympic Gold medal valued at $1,100 I am pretty sure Tiger Woods' career as a pro-golfer would be over if he threw an Olympic event. Can you imagine Tiger Woods saying, "It's just a thousand dollar gold medal, lol"
But this is more like your random neighborhood-hosted weekly weekend golf tournament that Tiger Woods joined and decided to mess around with his friend. Still wrong, but definitely not deserving of a potential career ending punishment.
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