EPTWhat else would you guys suggest as a punishment? I don't think there is anyone here who thinks Coca shouldn't be punished for throwing a won match.
Coca forfeits Code S due to ESV weekly scandal - Page 40
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Lunares
United States909 Posts
What else would you guys suggest as a punishment? I don't think there is anyone here who thinks Coca shouldn't be punished for throwing a won match. | ||
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Son of Gnome
United States777 Posts
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
I understand Coca deciding to forfeit the game, wrong as it may be, but that was pretty stupid. Byun should be ashamed of himself though, and should have just fought to the bitter end, as there's always a next ESV or GSL qualifier if he fails, hell, he could even try MLG for a Code S spot. Coca's amazing as a player, and I really enjoyed and eagerly anticipated each match of his, so now I'm sad that I won't be able to see more any time soon. This whole situation is just childish and retarded. | ||
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
if i face idra at MLG and beat him the first game then stomp him the second game and before he GG's prematurely i tell him "hey noob ill give you one more chance to beat me" and give him the second game and then stomp him in the third. would you call that match fixing? no. thats what coca did. its not match fixing at all. wow. | ||
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MifuneKinski
United States42 Posts
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1nst1nct
Australia44 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On the other, I have to say that if it had to happen to anyone, it's a good thing it happened to players as young as them. If they want to get out of progaming, they can still pick up their education almost right where they left off and continue with their lives like nothing happened. Harder to do that the older you are. This is still really depressing. I've gone from the "wtf" phase to the "this is ridiculous" phase and now I'm just dicking around in the "I kind of want to go to sleep but this is interesting" phase. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
did they honestly think they wouldn't get caught? | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On November 15 2011 15:57 _Depression wrote: Why is this even a question? No, absolutely no. What you just said even proves it - it's done in a flawed system. Flawed as in it needs fixing, that allowing it to happen is inherently wrong. If I'm not mistaken, In the Chess and Magic the Gathering communities, "strategic forfeit" is an accepted part of the community/scene. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
1:00 C: i'll let you win B: fuck off. 3:48 B: fuck, you said you'll let me win C: I have to practice, there's 3 Ts in my group ... C: I'm here just because I don't have other Ts to practice B: Next opponent is P, so just forfeit B: Where's your teams T? C: G-star event 26:20, Coca at 150pop 4 mining bases to Byun's 45pop 0 mining base B: fuck, get out, fuck fuck C: I forfeit B: let's do game 3 too C: gg *leaves the game | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:08 roymarthyup wrote: how the hell is this match fixing? if i face idra at MLG and beat him the first game then stomp him the second game and before he GG's prematurely i tell him "hey noob ill give you one more chance to beat me" and give him the second game and then stomp him in the third. would you call that match fixing? no. thats what coca did. its not match fixing at all. wow. Maybe "match fixing" isn't the proper term, but what he did was dishonest. I'm sure you can agree that what he did was wrong as it negatively affects the competition. Also, simply choosing to forfeit games can be abused further than this, though at the same time I think his punishment is too severe. It's hard for the GSL and SlayerS to be lighter on their punishment without making it trivial though. | ||
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:11 echO [W] wrote: If I'm not mistaken, In the Chess and Magic the Gathering communities, "strategic forfeit" is an accepted part of the community/scene. The only time forfeiting is strategic is when you get an advantage from it. Remember when IdrA decided to stop playing in IPL3's pool play? He was already guaranteed a seed for the Championship bracket, and he decided to rest. That's strategic. Saying "You asked for another game even though I could advance by killing your ass right now" is not strategic. | ||
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
Byun should be banned from any entry to major tournaments for a good lengthy period of time. Regardless if they are good players or not, or however many fan boys they have. There is no room for this stupidity and it should not be tolerated. They deserved to be hit with the full force of punishment. Many other pros are working their ass off way to much and they don't deserve to have idiots getting up to dodgy shit like this. How would you feel being in the same round as Byun, you play a tough match and lose against another player... whilst Byun is getting a free ride to the next round? Personally, I love watching Coca play. But I have lost all respect for him. This is a dog act. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:15 _Depression wrote: The only time forfeiting is strategic is when you get an advantage from it. Remember when IdrA decided to stop playing in IPL3's pool play? He was already guaranteed a seed for the Championship bracket, and he decided to rest. That's strategic. Saying "You asked for another game even though I could advance by killing your ass right now" is not strategic. He needed Game 3 so he could practice against Terran some more?  | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:09 MifuneKinski wrote: I honestly don't see how this is a big deal, if Coca wants to voluntarily lose games, who's stopping him? Well if you read the OP, it's his team apparently. | ||
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GhostLink
United States450 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:08 roymarthyup wrote: how the hell is this match fixing? if i face idra at MLG and beat him the first game then stomp him the second game and before he GG's prematurely i tell him "hey noob ill give you one more chance to beat me" and give him the second game and then stomp him in the third. would you call that match fixing? no. thats what coca did. its not match fixing at all. wow. That's not what Coca did... | ||
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MifuneKinski
United States42 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:15 _Depression wrote: The only time forfeiting is strategic is when you get an advantage from it. Remember when IdrA decided to stop playing in IPL3's pool play? He was already guaranteed a seed for the Championship bracket, and he decided to rest. That's strategic. Saying "You asked for another game even though I could advance by killing your ass right now" is not strategic. According to the translation - Coca wanted more ZvT practice. | ||
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:17 pdd wrote: Well if you read the OP, it's his team apparently. pdd leveled up! +2 to win +1 to nerd-stomping | ||
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