EPTOn November 15 2011 16:23 Datum wrote:
Fuck my liquibet
Fuck my liquibet
Haha! Luckily, I bet that Coca would get DQed by matchfixing in another tournament. Million to one odds, I'm taking it this season!
Coca forfeits Code S due to ESV weekly scandal - Page 42
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Fuhrmaaj
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Haha! Luckily, I bet that Coca would get DQed by matchfixing in another tournament. Million to one odds, I'm taking it this season! | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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OMGKEI
Australia590 Posts
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SidewinderSC2
United States236 Posts
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:24 ZorBa.G wrote: Good, it's a well deserved punishment. If he wants to be an idiot he shall get what he deserves. Yeah, because sacrificing several thousands of dollars + a team house + a hurt reputation isn't a bit excessive for 17 year old kid who wasn't even committing that terrible of a deed. All he did was join a tournament to practice, and gave up one game to his friend. I don't see any written rule being broken anywhere--- it's not like this didn't happen at MLG for WhiteRa, or DeMusliM for the EGWC right? He's a Code S player already, he had nothing to gain and he just wanted ZvT practice mostly. For gods sake, you people acted like he was one of the BW players aiming to extort the system and make thousands of dollars in an UNLAWFUL manner. If he had wanted to do something so bad would he really chat in games and make jokes at the same time? If anything, I would be upset with how SlayerS is responding. I imagine they might have had some influence of CoCa giving up his hard earned Code S spot he worked for. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:26 Grettin wrote: Then wait till they are available? Are you seriously implying that it's right to lose a tournament game on purpose and admitting it just to get more practice? He obviously didn't have time to sit around and wait. And no where did I imply that he isn't wrong. I was merely replying to the previous post as to why he decided not to train offline with his teammates. He obviously decided at that time that this was the easiest way to get good practices. Again, not saying that it wasn't the wrong decision, but the previous post was implying that it was an excuse and implying that the intention was fake and that it was something else. | ||
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sigma_x
Australia285 Posts
No pro-gamer may mutually agree with another to win or lose a game in a tournament. The rule is applied strictly: • even in online tournaments • even where the players have no intention on making money from the mutual agreement; and • even where one player accepts an offer from another to lose a game merely to show that they can win the set of matches even after having taken the loss. Perhaps it's fair to go harshly against a player if you've told them the rule and the consequences. But given that the purposes of preventing match-fixing are to prevent illegal conduct, to make games 'honest' for spectators and to avoid disrepute to the esports scene, none of which are seriously violated in this case, it seems a little unfair. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:29 SniXSniPe wrote: Yeah, because sacrificing several thousands of dollars + a team house + a hurt reputation isn't a bit excessive for 17 year old kid who wasn't even committing that terrible of a deed. All he did was join a tournament to practice, and gave up one game to his friend. I don't see any written rule being broken anywhere--- it's not like this didn't happen at MLG for WhiteRa, or DeMusliM for the EGWC right? For gods sake, you people acted like he was one of the BW players aiming to extort the system and make thousands of dollars in an UNLAWFUL manner. From the Korean Weekly player handbook that is sent to every team, is 9 pages, and has both a English and fully translated Korean copy: "3: No cheating. This includes but is not limited to, hacks, third-party programs, minimap enlargement tools, automated scripts, “macro keys”. This also includes people messaging you in game, or account sharing/playing under an ID you did not register for. Any cheating of any kind will be dealt with harshly and we will also forward the incident to both GOM TV and the Korean Players Association, along with other notable Non-Korean tournament organizers (Teamliquid, NASL, MLG, etc). We take this VERY seriously. Not every type of cheating is covered here, but if there is a new method of cheating we don’t cover currently, it still counts. Do not test this rule. Note that violation of this rule is an automatic forfeiture of your prize money you earned in the event that the violation occurred in." | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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TaylorGangOrDie
United States104 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:29 SniXSniPe wrote: Yeah, because sacrificing several thousands of dollars + a team house + a hurt reputation isn't a bit excessive for 17 year old kid who wasn't even committing that terrible of a deed. All he did was join a tournament to practice, and gave up one game to his friend. I don't see any written rule being broken anywhere--- it's not like this didn't happen at MLG for WhiteRa, or DeMusliM for the EGWC right? He's a Code S player already, he had nothing to gain and he just wanted ZvT practice mostly. For gods sake, you people acted like he was one of the BW players aiming to extort the system and make thousands of dollars in an UNLAWFUL manner. If he had wanted to do something so bad would he really chat in games and make jokes at the same time? If anything, I would be upset with how SlayerS is responding. I imagine they might have had some influence of CoCa giving up his hard earned Code S spot he worked for. AGREED!!!! | ||
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kamicom
United States180 Posts
That said, to the people who commented before me, the whole reason they get paid is because it's indirectly being funded by viewership. To throw games is unethical and wrong to the viewers who are looking for legitimately good games. If MVP and MMA were playing grandfinals of GSL and one of them just decided to throw all their games, then SURE, it's technically legal (as in probably no rules against that). But clearly there's a code of ethics written between the lines here. Sure, maybe Coca just made an naive mistake. But league organizers, sponsors, and audience would scold the hell out of him. Especially following the shadows of the Kespa controversy of that massive crackdown on the match-fixing underground ring, the SC community couldn't risk losing the audiences' trust again. | ||
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
Whats to stop these players from pulling out these antics again. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:23 Fubi wrote: Err, being dropped out of Code S and having to requalify all the way from Code B, plus the fact that he got kicked out from the teamhouse = less opportunities to practice with good players is pretty big for me. And also they have yet to determine when they can play again, it could be longer than a few months for all we know Or he could simply leave Slayers without forfeiting his Code S spot, and bam, there, continue playing as per usual. He can even follow that up by tweeting the whole world "bye slayers" and see if any foreigner team wants him. GOMTV hasn't even had a chance to decide on the proper course of action before he vacated his spot. IMO him leaving Code S is indicative that he's actually supportive of the punishment that he has been given by is own team. He obviously wants to stay on Slayers, and hence he's accepting those stipulations imposed on him. This is in no way career ending. Boxer already states explicitly that he still has a future ahead of him, nobody just knows when yet. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
coca didn't benefit from taking the loss | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:31 ZorBa.G wrote: I'd also like to add, this situation disgusts me. People work too hard to help SC2 e-sports grow. Players with this kind of behaviour is just like throwing all the hard work people have done back in their face. If it were up to me, I would ban Coca and Byun from attending ANY major tournament for the next six months. Somehow, I still feel this isn't enough punishment. Whats to stop these players from pulling out these antics again. I'd like to think earning the scorn of one of the most respected figures in eSports would be enough to stop this in the future, at least from CoCa. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Sephyr
Australia665 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:30 Diamond wrote: From the Korean Weekly player handbook that is sent to every team, is 9 pages, and has both a English and fully translated Korean copy: He gave himself an extra game to practice and the crowd an extra game to watch. You yourself gained some extra revenue out of it. Was there anyone who actually did not benefit from this? | ||
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:33 illsick wrote: harsh punishment for coca :/ coca didn't benefit from taking the loss Actually, according to recent revelations from the chat log, he "benefited" by being able to play another game vs Terran, something he was apparently trying to do because his next GSL group had 3 Terran players in it. | ||
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askTeivospy
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