EPTI do understand where it originated from though. Both are mates from the ZENEX days and Byun clearly needed the win more than CoCa. However, doing it so brazenly is just completely baffling. I hope they take their punishments seriously.
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
I do understand where it originated from though. Both are mates from the ZENEX days and Byun clearly needed the win more than CoCa. However, doing it so brazenly is just completely baffling. I hope they take their punishments seriously. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:09 MifuneKinski wrote: I honestly don't see how this is a big deal, if Coca wants to voluntarily lose games, who's stopping him? Voluntarily losing so his friend can go on... And his team, Korean weekly organizers and gomtv is stopping him. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
I just pray that John the Translator's posts aren't a portent of things to come. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:18 MifuneKinski wrote: According to the translation - Coca wanted more ZvT practice. You can practice offline as much as you want. No need to add a stupid excuse like practice when we are talking about tournament game. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:20 Grettin wrote: You can practice offline as much as you want. No need to add a stupid excuse like practice when we are talking about tournament game. He clearly also said in the chat that his teammates aren't available due to being at another tournament. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:11 anrimayu wrote: Here's the chat log in question. I omitted parts that are irrelevant. 1:00 C: i'll let you win B: fuck off. 3:48 B: fuck, you said you'll let me win C: I have to practice, there's 3 Ts in my group ... C: I'm here just because I don't have other Ts to practice B: Next opponent is P, so just forfeit B: Where's your teams T? C: G-star event 26:20, Coca at 150pop 4 mining bases to Byun's 45pop 0 mining base B: fuck, get out, fuck fuck C: I forfeit B: let's do game 3 too C: gg *leaves the game I don't get it. Weren't Boxer, Ganzi and MMA the only ppl who were at G-Stars? Why couldn't he practice with Taeja, Ryung, Milz, Lots? They're all good practice partners. Or just find some other players to practice against? | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:07 Lunares wrote: I think a player should be free to lose a game when he doesn't want to win it, if the reason is not commercial.I don't think there is anyone here who thinks Coca shouldn't be punished for throwing a won match. As a viewer, I value Coca's builds more than I value the formal outcome of his games. Thus, even watching him throw a game brings me more value as a viewer than watching someone else win after a great personal effort. | ||
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Datum
United States371 Posts
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MifuneKinski
United States42 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:17 pdd wrote: Well if you read the OP, it's his team apparently. I mean, yeah. But that's not really what I was asking. Everyone's making a big deal about a guy Voluntarily losing a game. Which I might add is how every single game of professional Starcraft usually ends. One player voluntarily deciding to leave the game. If a player chooses to give himself a -1 game handicap, why on earth should we care? He's just going to be knocked out faster anyway. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:21 red4ce wrote: Diamond being so nice just giving Coca and Byun what amounts to a slap on the wrist. It's already mid November. A ban until Jan 1st is basically only a few more weeklies. GSL November is the last code S for the year so Coca and Byun may not lose anything from this at all. Err, being dropped out of Code S and having to requalify all the way from Code B, plus the fact that he got kicked out from the teamhouse = less opportunities to practice with good players is pretty big for me. And also they have yet to determine when they can play again, it could be longer than a few months for all we know | ||
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:23 Fubi wrote: Err, being dropped out of Code S and having to requalify all the way from Code B, plus the fact that he got kicked out from the teamhouse = less opportunities to practice with good players is pretty big for me. And also they have yet to determine when they can play again, it could be longer than a few months for all we know Good, it's a well deserved punishment. If he wants to be an idiot he shall get what he deserves. | ||
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naux
Canada738 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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v0rtex
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:21 Fubi wrote: He clearly also said in the chat that his teammates aren't available due to being at another tournament. Then wait till they are available? Are you seriously implying that it's right to lose a tournament game on purpose and admitting it just to get more practice? | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
 They better not gift his Code S spot to a certain foreigner who tends to get gifted spots. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:25 naux wrote: was watching it live hahaha orbs expression didnt even know w h at was doing on I actually feel pretty bad for Orb having to deal with that on the fly, he handled it very well though. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:23 MifuneKinski wrote: I mean, yeah. But that's not really what I was asking. Everyone's making a big deal about a guy Voluntarily losing a game. Which I might add is how every single game of professional Starcraft usually ends. One player voluntarily deciding to leave the game. If a player chooses to give himself a -1 game handicap, why on earth should we care? He's just going to be knocked out faster anyway. It's not the act of losing. It's the level of professionalism shown from a Code S player on a reputable team. Indirectly you disrespect the tournament organizers by trolling their tournament. If you're not interested in playing to win, why sign up? Also considering how Korea's Starcraft history has such a dark blotch due to the match-fixing scandal, it would be even more stupid to do this and even chat about it in game. You kind of disrespect the Korean SC community by doing that. I don't understand why they just couldn't play the games, realize it was a stupid thing they just did and not send the replays and call it as a CoCa forfeit? And also you disrespect your team, by ruining its reputation. It's kind of how soccer teams punish their players who do stupid things like assaulting people in bars and stuff. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:24 ZorBa.G wrote: Good, it's a well deserved punishment. If he wants to be an idiot he shall get what he deserves. Yea just like that dude in Illinois being charged with life-time sentence for recording the police, definitely deserved it. | ||
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