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On October 29 2011 00:24 SabreUK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 29 2011 00:19 SabreUK wrote:On October 29 2011 00:17 tyCe wrote:On October 29 2011 00:12 ToguRo wrote:On October 28 2011 23:45 aksfjh wrote:On October 28 2011 23:34 jonaada wrote:On October 28 2011 23:21 Hexxed wrote:On October 28 2011 23:11 rasers wrote:On October 28 2011 23:08 slvcadv wrote:
Bisu, Flash and Jaedong aren't going to win every SC2 tourney out there. They may be very good SC2 players if they switch, but it's not guaranteed that their skill from BW is going to transfer to SC2.
Just look at Nada and July, they haven't won anything in SC2, yet they were BW legends. y legends 6 years ago. and nada is not even playing fulltime? or just lately. July has reached a finals and NaDa isn't playaing full time. It's been said that he spends the largest chunk of his time on school work. For him to make Code S every season while other full time pro gamers have struggled is amazing. Nada is scary. Lol so funny when people say "lol the brood war LEGENDS that are in sc2 atm aren´t dominating, so why should the new ones be any better?" Well the reason why the old BW players switched over to sc2 is because they can´t compete in brood war, they just aren´t good enough. The only thing I remember is MVP taking a game of Flash once in the MSL(mirrors can be unpredictable and random), but then flash won 3 in a row in an easy manner. Just remember, MVP is probably the best brood war player to switch to sc2, but he was quite terrible compared to other brood war pros, and yet he is dominating sc2. Think about that for a second. People are also stating that ForGG is a legend, which is not true. He was played out in proleague in the 2009-2010 season quite a bit, but he doesn´t come close to the top brood war players. He has a fun unique style which will probably carry well over to sc2, but he was never dominating. (excluding that one MSL which I still dont understand how he won) But even ForGG and MVP aren't nearly invincible in SC2. They're being beat by people that normally wouldn't touch them in BW. The skill required for SC2 isn't the same. You don't need 400 APM to make marines 7 minutes in, but you need it to strategically overcome your opponent in the mid and late game. MVP isn't invincible ? he pretty much always wins Well, if the BW teams really do switch over for real, then you will learn the meaning of "Woongjin Terran", of which, MVP was one. A Woongjin Terran is probably defined as a scrub, chobo Terran player who happened to be on the A-team solely because they're in Woongjin and because KeSPA had a rule where you had to send out at least one of each race in each ProLeague match. MVP was the cookie-cutter Woongjin Terran player. dem Woongjin Terrans. Poor Light D: light was in MBC Game Hero with sea,thats how he became a good T,then he got sent off to woongjin in typical MBC Game Hero fasion(selling off one of their top most players like  Bisu and  JulyZerg before) MBCGame Hero has sold anyone they've ever had of worth, Thats something I recall from following BW for sure :D
That's not true. They kept  Sea until the end. Unfortunately, Sea always disappoints when it comes to the play-offs or the later rounds of the OSL/MSL.
Really sad that Sea hasn't fulfilled his potential (yet).
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On October 29 2011 00:19 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect. TBH I've entertained the thought that if all of BW pros switched over, everybody wouldnt really be all that much above MVP level. SC2 just does such a good job at compressing the skill disparity between players.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't think that the mechanical skill cap of the game is high enough to have someone who is mechanically adept as well as strong stratgically to shine. Having very little mechanical requirements to play the game makes it to where I don't think we'll ever really see a 'bonjwa' of sc2. I mean how often do 'top pros' lose to random people on the ladder in sc2.
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On October 28 2011 23:22 seraphe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:18 how2TL wrote:On October 28 2011 23:10 thoradycus wrote:On October 28 2011 23:08 slvcadv wrote:
Bisu, Flash and Jaedong aren't going to win every SC2 tourney out there. They may be very good SC2 players if they switch, but it's not guaranteed that their skill from BW is going to transfer to SC2.
Just look at Nada and July, they haven't won anything in SC2, yet they were BW legends. as much as i like nada hes not even half of flash Tied for OSL's and MSL's won, though. Can't say anything about Nada vs Flash in SC2 until we at least see a few games. What someone has achieved in a lifetime is absolutely no indication of how they play CURRENTLY. Nada has been a fantastic player over the years, nobody would ever dare to deny that. But when was last time he won a Starleague? 2006. When was the last time Flash won a Starleague? Oh right. 2011. Flash is still at the top of his form (and not to mention 8 years younger), while Nada is past his prime, and not even playing full time. There's no comparison.
Relax. No one is arguing that Flash is a better BW player. But to assume that Flash > Nada in SC2 after at most a few weeks of training is even more unlikely.
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect.
omg this
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On October 29 2011 00:22 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:17 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:16 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:16 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:14 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. Do you realize the current top players in the world are all former BW pros? None of them were every as skilled or dedicated as the current best in BW and isn't going to change if the players you mentioned switch in the prime of their career. If you are going to continue posting at least put more thought into what you are saying. You mean like Huk and Stephano who are the ones that win theses days... ?!? I'm talking about Korea So a small community like a he was talking about... Uh, what? How many current foreign SC2 progamers can compete in GSL? 3-5? That is with the lower-talented field of players than in BW. His post doesn't make any sense and neither do you. It has been established as fact that the most talented and hardest working RTS players are Korean BECAUSE of the BW proscene that has cultivated those players. Imagine the same argument being applied to US basketball and you will see how silly it is.
Why do you take a Korean tournament as a reference ? Even more a tournament with no consistency, where code S because code B and come back in a minute.
Anyway foreigners that can compete there... hummm "Can" because of skill, or opportunities ? Or are able to live so far away to do so ? How many korean take jet lag as excuses for their lose in foreign tournaments where they came all cocky at the beginning.
Korean were the best, because they played a lot because they were the only ones paid to do so. It is not the case anymore. The end of it.
Korean or not korean, human being have to same capacity, its just a matter of environment. It is evolving, and it is a good news! A tournament were you could always predict the winner, is a bad tournament.
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On October 29 2011 00:11 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 22:16 Pelopidas wrote:
This is outrageous. I can't believe that Blizzard can just slap a Starcraft sticker on Command and Conquer 5 and destroy the naturally developed Korean Brood War scene by throwing money. I hope every player, caster and tournament organizer feels ashamed of pretending that SC2 is the true successor of Broodwar in order to make money and gain popularity. If this goes through I will never by another Blizzard product ever again.
This is just too horrible to imagine. Blizzard fucking balances the game for noobs, and terrible players. Can you imagine what would have happened to Brood War if Protoss had been balanced for D level? Blizzard makes incredibly shitty maps so that players can "rush," yet ignores the fact that you can be aggressive on big maps also.
It's like every design decision has been made to dumb the game down so that its popular among casuals. You want to use a shuttle + Reaver, too fucking bad you have a colossus now, its pretty much the same thing. You want to micro carriers, tough shit, the interceptors will now come back, also the goliath can now fly over terrain. You don't like to take more than three bases, cool Browder doesn't like to either, we've changed worker gather rates and added an extra geyser so that taking four or more bases is pointless. You are having problems with seige tanks, no don't use drops or positioning, just make marauders or immortals lol. They have also removed losses from the profiles of noobs, now Joe reddit gold league can feel like a gosu, because that's what makes game good.
I can't believe that every WoW fanboy, Redditor and youtube caster watching noob is getting their way. Oh well, at least I'll have the last laugh when the SC2 foreign scene dies. This has probably damned the Korean scene to a new coke like fiasco as well. Sadly this post is mostly true. Here is to hoping SC2 improves, and to Browder & Co. openining their eyes. There is hope to me when I see some of the really good games we had in SC2 though.
Mostly, but I can't believe people want W/L ratio in the lower leagues. It makes zero sense to me because the matchmaking system ensures your w/l ratio is pretty close to 50%. (interestingly my plat mate who got demoted this season had the same winrate as I did) The league you're in is pretty much indicative of how skilled you are. So that leaves us with the people on the bottom suffering defeat after defeat who could never pretend they are gosu and the guys on the of the league ARE gosu 
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As much as I love broodwar, can't wait for this to happen
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On October 29 2011 00:26 sh4w wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:19 ShadeR wrote:On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect. TBH I've entertained the thought that if all of BW pros switched over, everybody wouldnt really be all that much above MVP level. SC2 just does such a good job at compressing the skill disparity between players. Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't think that the mechanical skill cap of the game is high enough to have someone who is mechanically adept as well as strong stratgically to shine. Having very little mechanical requirements to play the game makes it to where I don't think we'll ever really see a 'bonjwa' of sc2. I mean how often do 'top pros' lose to random people on the ladder in sc2.
Well the plethora of strats in SC2 sort of ruin that. You can't be prepared for everything
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On October 29 2011 00:22 Hassybaby wrote:
IF Flash switches, I hope he plays Protoss. I'd rather a progamer pick a race because he wants to enjoy it instead of purely an economic decision
Even then he wouldn't pick P lol
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On October 29 2011 00:25 HolydaKing wrote:
even though i almost only watch sc2 i hope that only some b-team players switch over. because i'd be sad to see guys like jaedong or flash failing at sc2, which i can see happen (even if very unlikely. people would think they fail if they didn't win everything which i think is doubtful) as the diffference between the very best and the best isn't as big as in BW.
They wouldn't fail at SC2. Are you kidding?
TBH, I don't want them to switch because SC2 isn't as exciting to watch as BW for me. On the other hand, TBLS has the potential to make SC2 actually exciting to watch (and if you think SC2 is exciting already, you'd probably cream your pants when/if you see what they come up with).
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On October 29 2011 00:27 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:22 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:17 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:16 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:16 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:14 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. Do you realize the current top players in the world are all former BW pros? None of them were every as skilled or dedicated as the current best in BW and isn't going to change if the players you mentioned switch in the prime of their career. If you are going to continue posting at least put more thought into what you are saying. You mean like Huk and Stephano who are the ones that win theses days... ?!? I'm talking about Korea So a small community like a he was talking about... Uh, what? How many current foreign SC2 progamers can compete in GSL? 3-5? That is with the lower-talented field of players than in BW. His post doesn't make any sense and neither do you. It has been established as fact that the most talented and hardest working RTS players are Korean BECAUSE of the BW proscene that has cultivated those players. Imagine the same argument being applied to US basketball and you will see how silly it is. Why do you take a Korean tournament as a reference ? Even more a tournament with no consistency, where code S because code B and come back in a minute. Anyway foreigners that can compete there... hummm "Can" because of skill, or opportunities ? Or are able to live so far away to do so ? How many korean take jet lag as excuses for their lose in foreign tournaments where they came all cocky at the beginning. Korean were the best, because they played a lot because they were the only ones paid to do so. It is not the case anymore. The end of it. Korean or not korean, human being have to same capacity, its just a matter of environment. It is evolving, and it is a good news! A tournament were you could always predict the winner, is a bad tournament.
Were the best?
They still are lol
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
On October 29 2011 00:26 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:22 seraphe wrote:On October 28 2011 23:18 how2TL wrote:On October 28 2011 23:10 thoradycus wrote:On October 28 2011 23:08 slvcadv wrote:
Bisu, Flash and Jaedong aren't going to win every SC2 tourney out there. They may be very good SC2 players if they switch, but it's not guaranteed that their skill from BW is going to transfer to SC2.
Just look at Nada and July, they haven't won anything in SC2, yet they were BW legends. as much as i like nada hes not even half of flash Tied for OSL's and MSL's won, though. Can't say anything about Nada vs Flash in SC2 until we at least see a few games. What someone has achieved in a lifetime is absolutely no indication of how they play CURRENTLY. Nada has been a fantastic player over the years, nobody would ever dare to deny that. But when was last time he won a Starleague? 2006. When was the last time Flash won a Starleague? Oh right. 2011. Flash is still at the top of his form (and not to mention 8 years younger), while Nada is past his prime, and not even playing full time. There's no comparison. Relax. No one is arguing that Flash is a better BW player. But to assume that Flash > Nada in SC2 after at most a few weeks of training is even more unlikely.
i remember a certain comment on that bisu video playing 12 seconds of sc2
"plays 12 secs, better than 99% of sc2 pros already"
lol
+ Show Spoiler +it's an exaggeration but yes, for someone of his caliber, it'll be much easier to just roflstomp everyone in a shorter amount of time
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On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect.
Go play Spam Click v3 then.
400 APM were needed because the game was stupidly user unfriendly. It is not anymore, allowing more people without nerdy skills and time to express their strategical abilities. In a strategy game, that is what is important.
User was temp banned for this post.
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United States7639 Posts
On October 29 2011 00:21 Merlimoo wrote:
Anyway, why everybody is so attached to BW player ? Like it will change our life if they win over everybody. If you don't play at their level, you should just care about entertaining matches and show off of new strategies that you could use. Every other things is just stupid. Do you all have any money in korean esport or what ?
Shouldn't you be happy to see esport spread ?
Because BW is where our players shine. I'd still watch Bisu if he switched to SC2, but if there was a choice between watching him destroy with fantastic reaver/shuttle play and a-moving a group of colossi, god, that isn't even a question.
And that's just a really terrible argument. Why should a baseball fan be obligated to be happy because soccer is becoming more popular in the US (lol if that were true), just because they're both sports? Shouldn't SC2 fans be happy with LoL getting more exposure, even if at the expense of SC2, because it's for the good of e-sports. Yeah, I'm happy to support esports growth, but not if it comes at the expense of the game I actually like.
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Well this is fucking sad, I'm gonna have to watch my favorite bw players players play sc2.
On October 29 2011 00:29 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect. Go play Spam Click v3 then. 400 APM were needed because the game was stupidly user unfriendly. It is not anymore, allowing more people without nerdy skills and time to express their strategical abilities. In a strategy game, that is what is important.
But its real time so you should also be fast as shit.
A pro with 400 APM should never lose to someone with 100 APM, thats just bad game design.
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On October 29 2011 00:29 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:27 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:22 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:17 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:16 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:16 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:14 setzer wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. Do you realize the current top players in the world are all former BW pros? None of them were every as skilled or dedicated as the current best in BW and isn't going to change if the players you mentioned switch in the prime of their career. If you are going to continue posting at least put more thought into what you are saying. You mean like Huk and Stephano who are the ones that win theses days... ?!? I'm talking about Korea So a small community like a he was talking about... Uh, what? How many current foreign SC2 progamers can compete in GSL? 3-5? That is with the lower-talented field of players than in BW. His post doesn't make any sense and neither do you. It has been established as fact that the most talented and hardest working RTS players are Korean BECAUSE of the BW proscene that has cultivated those players. Imagine the same argument being applied to US basketball and you will see how silly it is. Why do you take a Korean tournament as a reference ? Even more a tournament with no consistency, where code S because code B and come back in a minute. Anyway foreigners that can compete there... hummm "Can" because of skill, or opportunities ? Or are able to live so far away to do so ? How many korean take jet lag as excuses for their lose in foreign tournaments where they came all cocky at the beginning. Korean were the best, because they played a lot because they were the only ones paid to do so. It is not the case anymore. The end of it. Korean or not korean, human being have to same capacity, its just a matter of environment. It is evolving, and it is a good news! A tournament were you could always predict the winner, is a bad tournament. Were the best? They still are lol
Ok close minded inside. Just don't take it to hard on yourself when you will be the only one playing it.
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On October 29 2011 00:28 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:26 sh4w wrote:On October 29 2011 00:19 ShadeR wrote:On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect. TBH I've entertained the thought that if all of BW pros switched over, everybody wouldnt really be all that much above MVP level. SC2 just does such a good job at compressing the skill disparity between players. Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't think that the mechanical skill cap of the game is high enough to have someone who is mechanically adept as well as strong stratgically to shine. Having very little mechanical requirements to play the game makes it to where I don't think we'll ever really see a 'bonjwa' of sc2. I mean how often do 'top pros' lose to random people on the ladder in sc2. Well the plethora of strats in SC2 sort of ruin that. You can't be prepared for everything
It isn't a simple numbers point. I believe it's inherent in the game design. Defenders advantage for example.
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On October 29 2011 00:30 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:29 Merlimoo wrote:On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect. Go play Spam Click v3 then. 400 APM were needed because the game was stupidly user unfriendly. It is not anymore, allowing more people without nerdy skills and time to express their strategical abilities. In a strategy game, that is what is important. But its real time so you should also be fast as shit. A pro with 400 APM should never lose to someone with 100 APM, thats just bad game design.
Who said a rts should be like that ?
BW is that way, that is all.
EDIT : anyway. Its just that is not the time for SC2 to distinguish players with APM. They have a toon more things to do on the strategy level right now.
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On October 29 2011 00:29 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling. wow. can u write even more bullshit?? what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect. Go play Spam Click v3 then. 400 APM were needed because the game was stupidly user unfriendly. It is not anymore, allowing more people without nerdy skills and time to express their strategical abilities. In a strategy game, that is what is important.
When watching pro-games and seeing them hit 200-300APM and STILL not doing everything that's needed in SC2, then that goes to show you are still wrong. APM is needed.
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On October 29 2011 00:28 alepov wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 00:22 Hassybaby wrote:
IF Flash switches, I hope he plays Protoss. I'd rather a progamer pick a race because he wants to enjoy it instead of purely an economic decision Even then he wouldn't pick P lol
Nvm, apparently it was Bisu who possibly said he'd play Toss for fun and Terran for money
Exactly what I said, but switch Flash for Bisu
Though I wanna see Flash as Toss as well
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