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On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers.
Ok, BW has a mainstream audience in korea, so it makes sense for mainstream korean companies to sponsor them (they may work international, but for sure they sponsor because of the korean audience). SC2 has an international audience, that is mostly gamers. So international companies related to gaming are sponsors.
But why is this really relevant?
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On October 31 2011 05:58 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:46 MrCon wrote:On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right? They don't, but it's also the very first anniversary of sc2, so the comparison is a little unfair. (Btw Jaedong is a terrible example you give as he has a terrible contract. I'm sure Huk makes like the double as Jaedong.) The first "star" of sc2, Huk, has a contract estimated of about 100k/year (I'll add like 50k more for all the travelling as a gross estimation as he travels about 2 times a months in various countries). It's not the 400k of Flash, but it's still enormous for such an early time. Until teams man up and start releasing the details of contracts like every other respectable sport in the world all the speculation about what SC2 pro's make amount to nothing. What we do know is that Korean SC2 professional players don't make shit because major sponsorships are still allied with KeSPA and BW because BW is the dominant game among viewers. Show nested quote +exactly! its really unfair to make this comparison unless you want to do it on the same duration of the games being out.. so if you want to look at it that way sc2 is WAY ahead of what sc1/BW was at the time. If SC2 wasn't it would be nothing short of a failure.
thus making your argument invalid..
wait a 1-2 years and i think you will be eating your words 
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I don't want read last 50 pages... any news about pro BW ?
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OMG Jeadong in sc2 <3 :D hell yea
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BW players should definitely switch to F1 racing.. look at the salaries: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/240929/list-of-formula-1-driver-salaries/
the lowest rank driver still gets 150 000 euro.
But honestly, there are good reason for BW players to switch to sc2.
1. Higher televised exposure.
Sc2 has 3 brackets: code b, code A and code S; A and S gets televised exposure. BW teams only have A team and B team and only A team players ever gets televised.
2. Difficulty.
Sc2 is easier to learn than bw. That is how the game was designed. A BW B-team player would probably take less time to get to Code A or Code S level than from B-team to A team in BW which would translate to more money and more televised exposures.
3. World Exposure.
With MLG partnership with GSL. Getting invited and travel to another country every few month is a large perk.
Besides potentially earning more money as an A-teamer, are there any reasons for non-televised bw players to stay in BW?
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On October 31 2011 05:40 dafunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right? Stop talking about Flash and Jaedong salaries. A lot of the progamers in Korea are slaves. At least, from our occidental point of view, they are.
A slave is property, not just someone who doesn't make very much money in the career path of their choice. The west also has its share of struggling writers, actors, and aspiring athletes.
So not from any point of view but that of someone who's just trying to be inflammatory.
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On October 31 2011 06:39 FishForThought wrote:BW players should definitely switch to F1 racing.. look at the salaries: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/240929/list-of-formula-1-driver-salaries/the lowest rank driver still gets 150 000 euro. But honestly, there are good reason for BW players to switch to sc2. 1. Higher televised exposure. Sc2 has 3 brackets: code b, code A and code S; A and S gets televised exposure. BW teams only have A team and B team and only A team players ever gets televised. 2. Difficulty. Sc2 is easier to learn than bw. That is how the game was designed. A BW B-team player would probably take less time to get to Code A or Code S level than from B-team to A team in BW which would translate to more money and more televised exposures. 3. World Exposure. With MLG partnership with GSL. Getting invited and travel to another country every few month is a large perk. Besides potentially earning more money as an A-teamer, are there any reasons for non-televised bw players to stay in BW?
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
On October 31 2011 06:10 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers. Ok, BW has a mainstream audience in korea, so it makes sense for mainstream korean companies to sponsor them (they may work international, but for sure they sponsor because of the korean audience). SC2 has an international audience, that is mostly gamers. So international companies related to gaming are sponsors. But why is this really relevant?
I'd say it's relevant because, to me at least, the most likely result of any kind of "switch" would be BW dying and SC2 not being able to fill the void. So, for example, Samsung Khan is shut down, and Samsung just stops sponsoring e-sports, as opposed to picking up an SC2 team. SC2 isn't especially popular in Korea currently. It's very difficult for me to imagine a process where BW viewership falls and SC2 viewership increases at the same time.
So yeah, the worst case scenario, and the most likely imo, is that the BW scene dies, and the SC2 scene stays as it is. So, Flash, JD and Bisu just move on with their lives, instead of wasting their time on a niche, unpopular game.
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Code S anno 2012 fighting!
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On October 31 2011 06:35 Fanek wrote:
I don't want read last 50 pages... any news about pro BW ?
Nah it's mostly bw guys crying and sc2 guys being mean to them. Nothing of importance.
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How I see it happening depends on Kespa. Kespa is a government agency (part of the Ministry of Culture) which effectively runs professional Brood War in Korea. If and when Kespa decides is time to switch to SC2 is when professional Korean BW will officially switch to SC2.
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
To be quite frank, SC2 is a joke in Korea. While it's kind of a small little thing, BW is the country's 3rd or 4th most popular professional sport, probably having more fans than SC2 does in the world. Compare football to some obscure game that some school kids in some area of a given country play. That's the difference. It's pretty huge. My concern is that people see SC2 is the biggest RTS outside of Korea, and they assume it's big inside of Korea, when it's quite the opposite in reality.
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On October 31 2011 06:02 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:58 setzer wrote:On October 31 2011 05:46 MrCon wrote:On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right? They don't, but it's also the very first anniversary of sc2, so the comparison is a little unfair. (Btw Jaedong is a terrible example you give as he has a terrible contract. I'm sure Huk makes like the double as Jaedong.) The first "star" of sc2, Huk, has a contract estimated of about 100k/year (I'll add like 50k more for all the travelling as a gross estimation as he travels about 2 times a months in various countries). It's not the 400k of Flash, but it's still enormous for such an early time. Until teams man up and start releasing the details of contracts like every other respectable sport in the world all the speculation about what SC2 pro's make amount to nothing. What we do know is that Korean SC2 professional players don't make shit because major sponsorships are still allied with KeSPA and BW because BW is the dominant game among viewers. exactly! its really unfair to make this comparison unless you want to do it on the same duration of the games being out.. so if you want to look at it that way sc2 is WAY ahead of what sc1/BW was at the time. If SC2 wasn't it would be nothing short of a failure. Well, JD was at 35 or 45k (don't remember which) because his team screwed him and he couldn't really negotiate (see the TL article about this, his parents, and all) Huk is said to be at 80-100k salary from the blog of...was it Kennigt ? Or motbob ? The blog is recent so it should be easy easy to find. It's not an official source but a TL staff is good enough imo.
Well, it definitely wasn't me. I don't have any inside information about that sort of thing.
But I think it's pretty clear from the phrases thrown around by Liquid personnel, like "life-changing money" and "The offer was something he had to take" than we're not talking about just 40-50k here.
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On October 31 2011 07:14 alepov wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:35 Fanek wrote:
I don't want read last 50 pages... any news about pro BW ? Nah it's mostly bw guys crying and sc2 guys being mean to them. Nothing of importance.
Epic post <3
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On October 31 2011 07:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:How I see it happening depends on Kespa. Kespa is a government agency (part of the Ministry of Culture) which effectively runs professional Brood War in Korea. If and when Kespa decides is time to switch to SC2 is when professional Korean BW will officially switch to SC2. Show nested quote +
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
To be quite frank, SC2 is a joke in Korea. While it's kind of a small little thing, BW is the country's 3rd or 4th most popular professional sport, probably having more fans than SC2 does in the world. Compare football to some obscure game that some school kids in some area of a given country play. That's the difference. It's pretty huge. My concern is that people see SC2 is the biggest RTS outside of Korea, and they assume it's big inside of Korea, when it's quite the opposite in reality.
Yeah, it's my concern as well. If this was happening in like 2013, with SC2 as a well-established international game, with good balance, spectator value, and multiple large tournaments in their n-th iteration, then I'd be a lot less worried. At least then BW would be passing the crown of e-sports to a worthy successor. At the moment, SC2 is still too young, and basically anything could happen within the next year, including Browder fucking up HotS immensely, a bubble bursting and multiple tournaments closing down, or any number of calamities.
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On October 31 2011 07:07 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:39 FishForThought wrote:BW players should definitely switch to F1 racing.. look at the salaries: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/240929/list-of-formula-1-driver-salaries/the lowest rank driver still gets 150 000 euro. But honestly, there are good reason for BW players to switch to sc2. 1. Higher televised exposure. Sc2 has 3 brackets: code b, code A and code S; A and S gets televised exposure. BW teams only have A team and B team and only A team players ever gets televised. 2. Difficulty. Sc2 is easier to learn than bw. That is how the game was designed. A BW B-team player would probably take less time to get to Code A or Code S level than from B-team to A team in BW which would translate to more money and more televised exposures. 3. World Exposure. With MLG partnership with GSL. Getting invited and travel to another country every few month is a large perk. Besides potentially earning more money as an A-teamer, are there any reasons for non-televised bw players to stay in BW? SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea. Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:10 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers. Ok, BW has a mainstream audience in korea, so it makes sense for mainstream korean companies to sponsor them (they may work international, but for sure they sponsor because of the korean audience). SC2 has an international audience, that is mostly gamers. So international companies related to gaming are sponsors. But why is this really relevant? I'd say it's relevant because, to me at least, the most likely result of any kind of "switch" would be BW dying and SC2 not being able to fill the void. So, for example, Samsung Khan is shut down, and Samsung just stops sponsoring e-sports, as opposed to picking up an SC2 team. SC2 isn't especially popular in Korea currently. It's very difficult for me to imagine a process where BW viewership falls and SC2 viewership increases at the same time. So yeah, the worst case scenario, and the most likely imo, is that the BW scene dies, and the SC2 scene stays as it is. So, Flash, JD and Bisu just move on with their lives, instead of wasting their time on a niche, unpopular game.
Just so you know.. this is wrong lol.
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On October 31 2011 07:18 GreyMasta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 07:14 alepov wrote:On October 31 2011 06:35 Fanek wrote:
I don't want read last 50 pages... any news about pro BW ? Nah it's mostly bw guys crying and sc2 guys being mean to them. Nothing of importance. Epic post <3
I love this post <3
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On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers.
Cause we all know Pepsi and Coca-Cola are solely dedicated to their Gamer Audience...
Not advocating or disapproving of the topic, just saying; you shouldn't just make out of the blue accusations about things that make you seem ignorant :\
Oh... and lol moment here, Sony Ericsson, the main sponsor of the GomTV's GSL is a Cell-Phone Manufacturing company.
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On October 31 2011 07:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:How I see it happening depends on Kespa. Kespa is a government agency (part of the Ministry of Culture) which effectively runs professional Brood War in Korea. If and when Kespa decides is time to switch to SC2 is when professional Korean BW will officially switch to SC2. Show nested quote +
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
To be quite frank, SC2 is a joke in Korea. While it's kind of a small little thing, BW is the country's 3rd or 4th most popular professional sport, probably having more fans than SC2 does in the world. Compare football to some obscure game that some school kids in some area of a given country play. That's the difference. It's pretty huge. My concern is that people see SC2 is the biggest RTS outside of Korea, and they assume it's big inside of Korea, when it's quite the opposite in reality.
Not even close.
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Holy shit. The elitist talk going on here is incredible 
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I mean that it went from BW >> SC2 and BW players >> SC2 players, through BW salaries >>> SC2 salaries, to BW sponsors >> SC2 sponsors.
What's next? BW fans >> SC2 fans?
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On October 31 2011 07:07 Toadvine wrote:
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
It's on OGN and Some anime-gaming channel i can't remember the name of, been on the second channel for a long time (open season 3?) and OGN WANTED to show it since SC2 release but kespa prevented them. and OGN is showing it now with WCG.
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On October 31 2011 07:50 Niick wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 07:07 Toadvine wrote:On October 31 2011 06:39 FishForThought wrote:BW players should definitely switch to F1 racing.. look at the salaries: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/240929/list-of-formula-1-driver-salaries/the lowest rank driver still gets 150 000 euro. But honestly, there are good reason for BW players to switch to sc2. 1. Higher televised exposure. Sc2 has 3 brackets: code b, code A and code S; A and S gets televised exposure. BW teams only have A team and B team and only A team players ever gets televised. 2. Difficulty. Sc2 is easier to learn than bw. That is how the game was designed. A BW B-team player would probably take less time to get to Code A or Code S level than from B-team to A team in BW which would translate to more money and more televised exposures. 3. World Exposure. With MLG partnership with GSL. Getting invited and travel to another country every few month is a large perk. Besides potentially earning more money as an A-teamer, are there any reasons for non-televised bw players to stay in BW? SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea. On October 31 2011 06:10 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers. Ok, BW has a mainstream audience in korea, so it makes sense for mainstream korean companies to sponsor them (they may work international, but for sure they sponsor because of the korean audience). SC2 has an international audience, that is mostly gamers. So international companies related to gaming are sponsors. But why is this really relevant? I'd say it's relevant because, to me at least, the most likely result of any kind of "switch" would be BW dying and SC2 not being able to fill the void. So, for example, Samsung Khan is shut down, and Samsung just stops sponsoring e-sports, as opposed to picking up an SC2 team. SC2 isn't especially popular in Korea currently. It's very difficult for me to imagine a process where BW viewership falls and SC2 viewership increases at the same time. So yeah, the worst case scenario, and the most likely imo, is that the BW scene dies, and the SC2 scene stays as it is. So, Flash, JD and Bisu just move on with their lives, instead of wasting their time on a niche, unpopular game. Just so you know.. this is wrong lol.
Auctally he is quite correct. Sponsors who are not into e-sports will likely not sponsor sc2 as they did bw. bw is mainstream in Korea, Just like Hockey and basketball here. Now if the NHL were to shut down. We would not see sponsors switch to sponsor little league teams. which recieve 1/100th of the viewers they did in the NHL.
These big name bw sponsors have a target of who they want to buy their products (just like NHL sponsors) if sc2 remains a niche like it is. It will not get the sponsors like bw has. simply because its a different demographic.
We don't see ads during NHL games that are for bob the builder. We see beer commercials, and sports epuipment being advertised. They are targeting their demographic of men who like beer and watch hockey.
If we look at little league sponsors. They are mainly smaller businness and sponsors that have a target audience. Which are local parents. Hockey parents are a niche (so to speak) cause being a hockey parent is not as mainstream as a man who likes hockey and beer (though there is crossover)
BW sponsors target the demographic of young people in Korea. Now if kpop keeps growing as it is. We are likely to see BW sponsors switch to kpop because the demographic is slowly moving that way.
We are not going to see bw sponsors move to sc2 simply because its a smaller demographic and because its a different one than that which they are trying to appeal to. sc2 is a niche among young Koreans. yes there is corssover with sc2 watchers being mostly young people. But since its a smaller demographic. It would be easier and more profitable for them to sponsor kpop instead of sc2.
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