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On October 31 2011 07:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:How I see it happening depends on Kespa. Kespa is a government agency (part of the Ministry of Culture) which effectively runs professional Brood War in Korea. If and when Kespa decides is time to switch to SC2 is when professional Korean BW will officially switch to SC2. Show nested quote +
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
To be quite frank, SC2 is a joke in Korea. While it's kind of a small little thing, BW is the country's 3rd or 4th most popular professional sport, probably having more fans than SC2 does in the world. Compare football to some obscure game that some school kids in some area of a given country play. That's the difference. It's pretty huge. My concern is that people see SC2 is the biggest RTS outside of Korea, and they assume it's big inside of Korea, when it's quite the opposite in reality.
But does SC2 scene even need the korean fans? Have you seen MLG/Blizzcon/whatever crowds?
But hey! The fans will follow if the pro bw players switch. Its fun and easy to watch just like BW is.
I actually think BW is the only thing holding korean fans back when it comes to not watching SC2.
But this is only my opinnion, im not attacking anyone nor should any of you start bashing me...
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On October 31 2011 08:19 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 07:50 Niick wrote:On October 31 2011 07:07 Toadvine wrote:On October 31 2011 06:39 FishForThought wrote:BW players should definitely switch to F1 racing.. look at the salaries: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/240929/list-of-formula-1-driver-salaries/the lowest rank driver still gets 150 000 euro. But honestly, there are good reason for BW players to switch to sc2. 1. Higher televised exposure. Sc2 has 3 brackets: code b, code A and code S; A and S gets televised exposure. BW teams only have A team and B team and only A team players ever gets televised. 2. Difficulty. Sc2 is easier to learn than bw. That is how the game was designed. A BW B-team player would probably take less time to get to Code A or Code S level than from B-team to A team in BW which would translate to more money and more televised exposures. 3. World Exposure. With MLG partnership with GSL. Getting invited and travel to another country every few month is a large perk. Besides potentially earning more money as an A-teamer, are there any reasons for non-televised bw players to stay in BW? SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea. On October 31 2011 06:10 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers. Ok, BW has a mainstream audience in korea, so it makes sense for mainstream korean companies to sponsor them (they may work international, but for sure they sponsor because of the korean audience). SC2 has an international audience, that is mostly gamers. So international companies related to gaming are sponsors. But why is this really relevant? I'd say it's relevant because, to me at least, the most likely result of any kind of "switch" would be BW dying and SC2 not being able to fill the void. So, for example, Samsung Khan is shut down, and Samsung just stops sponsoring e-sports, as opposed to picking up an SC2 team. SC2 isn't especially popular in Korea currently. It's very difficult for me to imagine a process where BW viewership falls and SC2 viewership increases at the same time. So yeah, the worst case scenario, and the most likely imo, is that the BW scene dies, and the SC2 scene stays as it is. So, Flash, JD and Bisu just move on with their lives, instead of wasting their time on a niche, unpopular game. Just so you know.. this is wrong lol. Auctally he is quite correct. Sponsors who are not into e-sports will likely not sponsor sc2 as they did bw. bw is mainstream in Korea, Just like Hockey and basketball here. Now if the NHL were to shut down. We would not see sponsors switch to sponsor little league teams. which recieve 1/100th of the viewers they did in the NHL. These big name bw sponsors have a target of who they want to buy their products (just like NHL sponsors) if sc2 remains a niche like it is. It will not get the sponsors like bw has. simply because its a different demographic. We don't see ads during NHL games that are for bob the builder. We see beer commercials, and sports epuipment being advertised. They are targeting their demographic of men who like beer and watch hockey. If we look at little league sponsors. They are mainly smaller businness and sponsors that have a target audience. Which are local parents. Hockey parents are a niche (so to speak) cause being a hockey parent is not as mainstream as a man who likes hockey and beer (though there is crossover) BW sponsors target the demographic of young people in Korea. Now if kpop keeps growing as it is. We are likely to see BW sponsors switch to kpop because the demographic is slowly moving that way. We are not going to see bw sponsors move to sc2 simply because its a smaller demographic and because its a different one than that which they are trying to appeal to. sc2 is a niche among young Koreans. yes there is corssover with sc2 watchers being mostly young people. But since its a smaller demographic. It would be easier and more profitable for them to sponsor kpop instead of sc2.
He meant the bold part in the quote 
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On October 31 2011 08:28 stfouri wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 07:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:How I see it happening depends on Kespa. Kespa is a government agency (part of the Ministry of Culture) which effectively runs professional Brood War in Korea. If and when Kespa decides is time to switch to SC2 is when professional Korean BW will officially switch to SC2.
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
To be quite frank, SC2 is a joke in Korea. While it's kind of a small little thing, BW is the country's 3rd or 4th most popular professional sport, probably having more fans than SC2 does in the world. Compare football to some obscure game that some school kids in some area of a given country play. That's the difference. It's pretty huge. My concern is that people see SC2 is the biggest RTS outside of Korea, and they assume it's big inside of Korea, when it's quite the opposite in reality. But does SC2 scene even need the korean fans? Have you seen MLG/Blizzcon/whatever crowds? But hey! The fans will follow if the pro bw players switch. Its fun and easy to watch just like BW is. I actually think BW is the only thing holding korean fans back when it comes to not watching SC2. But this is only my opinnion, im not attacking anyone nor should any of you start bashing me...
It's true. BW is holding back the korean fans. The question is: why? Why do the Koreans prefer BW over sc2? IMHO it could be one of three things (or a combination of these things). One: sc2 may not be as good of a game as BW. Two: Koreans just don't like to embrace new things. Three: Kespa has been holding sc2 back with bad press. We'll see what happens when Kespa switches over.
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SC2 got a lukewarm reception in korea because Blizzard stuck a middle finger up at the existing esports scene in korea with the lawsuit. Then they tried to stick that finger up everyone's asses by overmarketing SC2 and trying to force it down people's throats. You can't blame them for adopting the us vs them mentality and rejecting SC2 as a result.
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On October 31 2011 08:04 JoeJin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers. Cause we all know Pepsi and Coca-Cola are solely dedicated to their Gamer Audience... Not advocating or disapproving of the topic, just saying; you shouldn't just make out of the blue accusations about things that make you seem ignorant :\ Oh... and lol moment here, Sony Ericsson, the main sponsor of the GomTV's GSL is a Cell-Phone Manufacturing company.
You guys are all failing to realize what he said. All those SC2 sponsors you named like intel, amd, etc.. are "sponsoring" with very little money. BW sponsors are actually full fledged sponsors who pays for everything (housing, food, computer, salaries, etc). If big mainstream companies stop sponsoring BW teams, you think they will suddenly switch over? SC2 is niche in korea and pales in comparison with the exposure BW has. While SC2 has an enormous prize money, it is to compensate for the lack of salaries and other benefits the SC2 sponsors have.
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On October 31 2011 08:28 stfouri wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 07:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:How I see it happening depends on Kespa. Kespa is a government agency (part of the Ministry of Culture) which effectively runs professional Brood War in Korea. If and when Kespa decides is time to switch to SC2 is when professional Korean BW will officially switch to SC2.
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
To be quite frank, SC2 is a joke in Korea. While it's kind of a small little thing, BW is the country's 3rd or 4th most popular professional sport, probably having more fans than SC2 does in the world. Compare football to some obscure game that some school kids in some area of a given country play. That's the difference. It's pretty huge. My concern is that people see SC2 is the biggest RTS outside of Korea, and they assume it's big inside of Korea, when it's quite the opposite in reality. But does SC2 scene even need the korean fans? Have you seen MLG/Blizzcon/whatever crowds? But hey! The fans will follow if the pro bw players switch. Its fun and easy to watch just like BW is.I actually think BW is the only thing holding korean fans back when it comes to not watching SC2. But this is only my opinnion, im not attacking anyone nor should any of you start bashing me...
Nope. You're wrong, mate.
Been following the scene since 2009 and my only interest in the next PL season will be the "BW half". If BW is dropped for good, I'm done with eSports. Some people will follow the BW pros and some won't.
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On October 31 2011 08:34 Zerksys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 08:28 stfouri wrote:On October 31 2011 07:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:How I see it happening depends on Kespa. Kespa is a government agency (part of the Ministry of Culture) which effectively runs professional Brood War in Korea. If and when Kespa decides is time to switch to SC2 is when professional Korean BW will officially switch to SC2.
SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea.
To be quite frank, SC2 is a joke in Korea. While it's kind of a small little thing, BW is the country's 3rd or 4th most popular professional sport, probably having more fans than SC2 does in the world. Compare football to some obscure game that some school kids in some area of a given country play. That's the difference. It's pretty huge. My concern is that people see SC2 is the biggest RTS outside of Korea, and they assume it's big inside of Korea, when it's quite the opposite in reality. But does SC2 scene even need the korean fans? Have you seen MLG/Blizzcon/whatever crowds? But hey! The fans will follow if the pro bw players switch. Its fun and easy to watch just like BW is. I actually think BW is the only thing holding korean fans back when it comes to not watching SC2. But this is only my opinnion, im not attacking anyone nor should any of you start bashing me... It's true. BW is holding back the korean fans. The question is: why? Why do the Koreans prefer BW over sc2? IMHO it could be one of three things (or a combination of these things). One: sc2 may not be as good of a game as BW. Two: Koreans just don't like to embrace new things. Three: Kespa has been holding sc2 back with bad press. We'll see what happens when Kespa switches over.
or four: it's been integrated in Korean culture after the last eleven years and it takes more than a number two after a name for people to switch over
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On October 31 2011 07:50 Niick wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 07:07 Toadvine wrote:On October 31 2011 06:39 FishForThought wrote:BW players should definitely switch to F1 racing.. look at the salaries: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/240929/list-of-formula-1-driver-salaries/the lowest rank driver still gets 150 000 euro. But honestly, there are good reason for BW players to switch to sc2. 1. Higher televised exposure. Sc2 has 3 brackets: code b, code A and code S; A and S gets televised exposure. BW teams only have A team and B team and only A team players ever gets televised. 2. Difficulty. Sc2 is easier to learn than bw. That is how the game was designed. A BW B-team player would probably take less time to get to Code A or Code S level than from B-team to A team in BW which would translate to more money and more televised exposures. 3. World Exposure. With MLG partnership with GSL. Getting invited and travel to another country every few month is a large perk. Besides potentially earning more money as an A-teamer, are there any reasons for non-televised bw players to stay in BW? SC2 is not televised in Korea, at all. GoM's internet broadcasts are NOT television. To my knowledge, it's not actually televised anywhere in the world, save for TeSL. SC2 is currently very niche and not especially popular in Korea. On October 31 2011 06:10 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 06:06 killerdog wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies. You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers. Ok, BW has a mainstream audience in korea, so it makes sense for mainstream korean companies to sponsor them (they may work international, but for sure they sponsor because of the korean audience). SC2 has an international audience, that is mostly gamers. So international companies related to gaming are sponsors. But why is this really relevant? I'd say it's relevant because, to me at least, the most likely result of any kind of "switch" would be BW dying and SC2 not being able to fill the void. So, for example, Samsung Khan is shut down, and Samsung just stops sponsoring e-sports, as opposed to picking up an SC2 team. SC2 isn't especially popular in Korea currently. It's very difficult for me to imagine a process where BW viewership falls and SC2 viewership increases at the same time. So yeah, the worst case scenario, and the most likely imo, is that the BW scene dies, and the SC2 scene stays as it is. So, Flash, JD and Bisu just move on with their lives, instead of wasting their time on a niche, unpopular game. Just so you know.. this is wrong lol.
I was responding to a post claiming that SC2 has more "TV exposure" in Korea, which is blatantly false. But yeah, OGN broacasting WCG as a one-time thing sure renders my point moot. Grats.
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Sc2 team jackets are so much better than bw jackets.
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On October 31 2011 09:11 Steveling wrote:
Sc2 team jackets are so much better than bw jackets.
NICE TRY BRO
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On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly.
WOW! This is so bad, it's so good!
I love this "my game has a bigger dick than your game" (changed the word 'God' to 'Game') arguments! I would like to try this too ..
BW main team sponsors: , a big fucking ship liner, 2 top telecom companies, a leading appliance manufacturer, a multi-product corporation.
BW extra sponsor: Adidas, Pocari Sweat, K-Swiss, .. I haven't been watching BW lately so I can't remember those brand names on their uniforms.
Tournament Sponsors: A big fucking bank, A bank, A shave manufacturer, A Country Air-Line, another air line, an energy drink, a soda drink, a favorite snack, a super market chain, .. the list goes on.
Price money? That's just for formalities .. These companies pour money on the scene that can be summed with more than 1 million dollars a year.
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On October 31 2011 09:16 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. WOW! This is so bad, it's so good! I love this "my game has a bigger dick than your game" (changed the word 'God' to 'Game') arguments! I would like to try this too .. BW main team sponsors: , a big fucking ship liner, 2 top telecom companies, a leading appliance manufacturer, a multi-product corporation. BW extra sponsor: Adidas, Pocari Sweat, K-Swiss, .. I haven't been watching BW lately so I can't remember those brand names on their uniforms. Tournament Sponsors: A big fucking bank, A bank, A shave manufacturer, A Country Air-Line, another air line, an energy drink, a soda drink, a favorite snack, a super market chain, .. the list goes on. Price money? That's just for formalities .. These companies pour money on the scene that can be summed with more than 1 million dollars a year.
Me too!
A Korean ship liner, 2 korean telecom companies, korean appliance manufacturer, korean corporation
Adidas..fine, Pocari sweat, okay, K-Swiss, sure
A Korean bank, a korean blah blah blah.
For an activity that is protected by the ministry of culture, and primarily viewed in one single country, of course corporations from THAT country are going to jump on that. Are you seriously trying to argue that point? Roflcopters up in here, brah.
The second those companies see e-sports and sc2 catching onto the mainstream in the West, they'll jump ship to smear their product lines all over players from around the world.
it just hasn't reached that point yet.
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I bet many players on the brood war teams have been pushing for this change so they might make more money.
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I honestly can't wait to see stuff like Slayers vs KT Rolster, IM vs Sk T1, and watch the new started sc2 pros from STX get owned by Zenex.
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On October 31 2011 08:46 Telcontar wrote:
SC2 got a lukewarm reception in korea because Blizzard stuck a middle finger up at the existing esports scene in korea with the lawsuit. Then they tried to stick that finger up everyone's asses by overmarketing SC2 and trying to force it down people's throats. You can't blame them for adopting the us vs them mentality and rejecting SC2 as a result.
Pretty much this. BW isn't what's holding SC2 back. It play-s a part, but only as much as Blizzard's actions against kespa, the popularity of MMOs, rise of popular culture, decline of interest in esports in general, and a myriad of other factors. BW took off in Korea during an extremely specific time, during specific conditions, with phenomena like the boom of PC bangs aiding BW's popularity. But things aren't the same as they were 10 years ago. BW still lives because it's been ingrained in Korean youth culture for so long, but a new game, even one that rides on the reputation of BW, will find it hard to break into a diminishing market.
If all the players switch (a remarkable presumption already), it would no doubt make some fans transition over. But I feel like their interest would be superficial. Boxer had arguably the largest fanclub for any gamer Korea, maybe the world, had ever seen. But where are they now? His fan cafe still has 400,000 members, but it has no activity, it feels pretty dead. When I was at WCG, I saw that 90% of the Koreans in the audience were obvious fans of Nada. After he lost his games, they all left. Some fans will follow their favorite players, but the majority watched for the game.
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On October 31 2011 09:23 mishimaBeef wrote:
I bet many players on the brood war teams have been pushing for this change so they might make more money.
Because they know they'll just ROFLSTOMP the current competition. Just look where Idra was ranked in the Kespa rankings. Not even close to the very top players.
Anyway, jokes aside... BW players will be switching. We all knew this would happen one day eventually. It was just a matter of time, hopefully they will not make a complete switch yet. Probably just have players in training in Sc2, so they won't be too far behind once all the expansions are out and the game becomes much more stable.
Regarding whether the foreign e-sports scene is bigger than the Korean and the other way around. I really think people need to support their claims with some decent sources. I won't jump into this discussion, since I have really not made any research on this area. From personal experience, it just seems the Korean scene have some better conditions to develop.
Could be fun if someone made or have made a research on a comparison on the world e-sports scene and the Korean e-sports scene. And find out what factors needs to taken into consideration in order to create a healthy environment for e-sports to develop.
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Has this thread produced any sort of productive and level-headed discussion yet? Or is it the same ol' "my game is better than your game" stuff it was 50 pages ago?
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On October 31 2011 09:38 nokz88 wrote:
Has this thread produced any sort of productive and level-headed discussion yet? Or is it the same ol' "my game is better than your game" stuff it was 50 pages ago?
Can you argue taste?
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SlayerS_Fantasy :D
It's a sad and happy moment for me today. It is sad because BW has finally reached the death point... Pro BW teams are training for SC2. (On a side note, I think ACE is probably the ones not practicing for SC2) Happy note because E-Sports is about to grow a little more.
I just want to comment on a few things I've read in the thread.
First, "Easier" game debate. This is stupid and shows your ignorance. BW and SC2 are completly different styles. And I can argue for either game being more difficult.
Second, "Hate and Trolls" I am seriously getting sick of it. And I'm going to say what I think is happening. It's 60/40 BWflame and troll now. It saddens me that a group I came up with has now hit the tipping point of intentional flame against SC2. While at the beginning, yes, SC2 fans during the Beta were complete tools and flame artists... but now... the so called "cool, better, smart, etc etc BW fans are now being 12 year olds and I am ashamed.
Third, KESPA and Blizzard feud. The biggest reason, imo of course, that SC2 has not risen was because of Blizzard taking KESPA to court over IP rights.
Fourth, SC2 is here to stay and BW will turn into the niche game.
Fifth, people claming to stop supporting e-sports b/c of BW death... that's stupid and you need to check yourself for a second.
Lastly, HotS release will be the beginning of the transition for everyone.
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On October 31 2011 08:13 Spidinko wrote:Holy shit. The elitist talk going on here is incredible  EDIT: I mean that it went from BW >> SC2 and BW players >> SC2 players, through BW salaries >>> SC2 salaries, to BW sponsors >> SC2 sponsors. What's next? BW fans >> SC2 fans?
actually bw fans are lots of girls cheering in the audience so bw fans> sc2 fans rofl. but seriously people should be excited for bw players to switch because they will just make this game more exciting to watch.
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