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On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly.
That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right?
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On October 31 2011 05:31 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:30 Mitchlew wrote:On October 31 2011 05:28 Shiori wrote:
salaries of BW players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salaries of SC2 players. fact. You mean top BW players. and top sc2 players, yeah.
For instance I would say someone like incontrol, who no doubt has far less skill than a low grade BW, would get paid a tone more than them.
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On October 31 2011 05:33 Mitchlew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:31 Shiori wrote:On October 31 2011 05:30 Mitchlew wrote:On October 31 2011 05:28 Shiori wrote:
salaries of BW players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salaries of SC2 players. fact. You mean top BW players. and top sc2 players, yeah. For instance I would say someone like incontrol, who no doubt has far less skill than a low grade BW, would get paid a tone more than them.
That's why low grade BW pros would love to switch over to SC2 to make good money whereas elite pros like Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu would rather stick to BW.
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On October 31 2011 05:36 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:33 Mitchlew wrote:On October 31 2011 05:31 Shiori wrote:On October 31 2011 05:30 Mitchlew wrote:On October 31 2011 05:28 Shiori wrote:
salaries of BW players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salaries of SC2 players. fact. You mean top BW players. and top sc2 players, yeah. For instance I would say someone like incontrol, who no doubt has far less skill than a low grade BW, would get paid a tone more than them. That's why low grade BW pros would love to switch over to SC2 to make good money whereas elite pros like Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu would rather stick to BW.
Not necessary. If big companies switch from BW to SC2 as well, then salaries for them would be the same.
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when its confirmed that Flash is really practicing sc2.
i will skip school, call in sick to work, and cancel all plans i made just to make sure i dont miss his first televised match for sc2. im very interested to see how his games would go.
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On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right?
Stop talking about Flash and Jaedong salaries.
A lot of the progamers in Korea are slaves.
At least, from our occidental point of view, they are.
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I can't beleive how many haters from BW scene are crying here. Just accept it that sc2 is more popular!
BW is a great game but now it's SC2 time! I just can't wait to see best BW players to play SC2 :D. And I don't think those best BW pros will dominate the scene.
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On October 31 2011 05:08 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 03:46 Grumbels wrote:
I so bet 80% of them will pick Terran. I honestly think Blizzard should hand out $1000 dollars to every A-teamer who picks a non-Terran race. Yeah obviously because the likes of Jaedong and Flash look at SC2 and decide that the current skill level of the game's top pros like Mvp and Nestea perfectly describes its state of balance. Sarcasm.
really, can you be any more condescending in this thread? can this guy get atleast a warn. He doesn't stop bashing SC2.
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Personally, I'm very excited to see how the BW pros will do in SC2, if they make the switch.
EDIT: God I suck at forums.
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On October 31 2011 05:32 raf3776 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:28 Shiori wrote:
salaries of BW players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salaries of SC2 players. fact. Id like to see the numbers. From what I hear, the top players might have a high salary but on average I think Sc2 has better salaries
On average SC2 "progamers" don't have any salaries. Only the very top. And even most Korean teams can barely afford food. ;/
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On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right?
They don't, but it's also the very first anniversary of sc2, so the comparison is a little unfair. (Btw Jaedong is a terrible example you give as he has a terrible contract. I'm sure Huk makes like the double as Jaedong.)
The first "star" of sc2, Huk, has a contract estimated of about 100k/year (I'll add like 50k more for all the travelling as a gross estimation as he travels about 2 times a months in various countries). It's not the 400k of Flash, but it's still enormous for such an early time.
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On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right?
Flash earns 400k as a bonjwa, right? A SC2 bonjwa would have made more, alone trough pricemoney.
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On October 31 2011 05:46 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right? They don't, but it's also the very first anniversary of sc2, so the comparison is a little unfair. (Btw Jaedong is a terrible example you give as he has a terrible contract. I'm sure Huk makes like the double as Jaedong.) The first "star" of sc2, Huk, has a contract estimated of about 100k/year (I'll add like 50k more for all the travelling as a gross estimation as he travels about 2 times a months in various countries). It's not the 400k of Flash, but it's still enormous for such an early time.
exactly! its really unfair to make this comparison unless you want to do it on the same duration of the games being out.. so if you want to look at it that way sc2 is WAY ahead of what sc1/BW was at the time.
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On October 31 2011 05:33 Mitchlew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:31 Shiori wrote:On October 31 2011 05:30 Mitchlew wrote:On October 31 2011 05:28 Shiori wrote:
salaries of BW players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salaries of SC2 players. fact. You mean top BW players. and top sc2 players, yeah. For instance I would say someone like incontrol, who no doubt has far less skill than a low grade BW, would get paid a tone more than them.
Well incontrol isn't a very good example because he gets paid for his image and personality. Don't get me wrong incontrol is a pretty good player but just not at an extremely high level at the moment right now.
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Ok I am really confused and sad and a little hopeful all at the same time. I am sad because I know BW is probably over in Korea and will cease to exist on a professional level which means JD and Flash are switching (my two favorites). I am confused because didn't Kespa announce the coexistence of SC2 and BW in a previous Fomos article?
Hopefully only the B teams switch so we can have an awesome SC2 proleague as well as the classic this coming season. fingers and toes crossed
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On October 31 2011 05:46 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right? They don't, but it's also the very first anniversary of sc2, so the comparison is a little unfair. (Btw Jaedong is a terrible example you give as he has a terrible contract. I'm sure Huk makes like the double as Jaedong.) The first "star" of sc2, Huk, has a contract estimated of about 100k/year (I'll add like 50k more for all the travelling as a gross estimation as he travels about 2 times a months in various countries). It's not the 400k of Flash, but it's still enormous for such an early time.
Until teams man up and start releasing the details of contracts like every other respectable sport in the world all the speculation about what SC2 pro's make amount to nothing.
What we do know is that Korean SC2 professional players don't make shit because major sponsorships are still allied with KeSPA and BW because BW is the dominant game among viewers.
exactly! its really unfair to make this comparison unless you want to do it on the same duration of the games being out.. so if you want to look at it that way sc2 is WAY ahead of what sc1/BW was at the time.
If SC2 wasn't it would be nothing short of a failure.
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On October 31 2011 05:49 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right? Flash earns 400k as a bonjwa, right? A SC2 bonjwa would have made more, alone trough pricemoney.
400k without price money and bonusses iirc.
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On October 31 2011 05:58 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:46 MrCon wrote:On October 31 2011 05:33 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly. That's why SC2 players get paid a monster salary like FlaSh and Jaedong do right? They don't, but it's also the very first anniversary of sc2, so the comparison is a little unfair. (Btw Jaedong is a terrible example you give as he has a terrible contract. I'm sure Huk makes like the double as Jaedong.) The first "star" of sc2, Huk, has a contract estimated of about 100k/year (I'll add like 50k more for all the travelling as a gross estimation as he travels about 2 times a months in various countries). It's not the 400k of Flash, but it's still enormous for such an early time. Until teams man up and start releasing the details of contracts like every other respectable sport in the world all the speculation about what SC2 pro's make amount to nothing. What we do know is that Korean SC2 professional players don't make shit because major sponsorships are still allied with KeSPA and BW because BW is the dominant game among viewers. Show nested quote +exactly! its really unfair to make this comparison unless you want to do it on the same duration of the games being out.. so if you want to look at it that way sc2 is WAY ahead of what sc1/BW was at the time. If SC2 wasn't it would be nothing short of a failure.
Well, JD was at 35 or 45k (don't remember which) because his team screwed him and he couldn't really negotiate (see the TL article about this, his parents, and all)
Huk is said to be at 80-100k salary from the blog of...was it Kennigt ? Or motbob ? The blog is recent so it should be easy easy to find. It's not an official source but a TL staff is good enough imo.
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I'm quite sure Jaedong was making somewhere between 150K-200K. It was about the same contract as Bisu but less than Flash's previous contract.
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On October 31 2011 05:19 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:06 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:On October 31 2011 02:54 vnlegend wrote:
BW players are professionals with job security? Lmao??? Most of them get paid basically nothing for extreme dedication and hard work. Most BW pros retire w/o accomplishing anything or making much money. They are all at Kespa's mercy.
SC2 on the other hand has teams that have big sponsors paying salaries and fly them out all over the world. BW sponsors -SK Telecom, Samsung, etc SC2 sponsors - .............. Hardware and computer Gear Manufactorers: Intel, Amd, Kingston, Steelseries, Razor, Alienware Soft Drinks: Pepsi, Cola, Monster Others: Twitch.tv, ..... Countless I didn't mention. Let's look at the pricemoney in SC2: GSL has about 10 tournaments a year with a total of 1 mio pricemoney. NASL has about 400'000 for it's 3 seasons. I think all IEM tournaments together will also have 200-300 k. MLG with providence will also have more than 200k in total. All the Dreamhacks, ESWC, WCG, .... .We didn't yet speek about the saleries of the players. The better SC2 players can live of their salieries, and we do not know how high the top SC2 players saleries are. There is a lot of money in SC2 and the amount of money in the game is rising rapidly.
The difference he was refering to is that the sponsors for sc2 are all niche, gaming related/nerdy-pc related comapanies, which sell all their products to gamers (arguably monster fits in that as well.) On the other hand, broodwar sponsors are mainstream, large companies.
You can't really say that sc2 has the same "mainstream sponsorships" (which, as mainstream companies want to sponsor it, shows that the companies believe it is watched by lots of "non gamers") until it is also sponsored by things like mobilephone carriers.
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