EPT1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 120
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:36 Hider wrote: FFs, who bumped this thread. So stupid. I just throught we would get a new PTR where terran would get there fully deserved buff. and what buff would you suggest that is? any buff to terran early game would certainly cause serious problems as terran is already capable of a ton of incredibly strong all ins. just for kicks, i'd love it if they combined the +2 building armor/bunker upgrade into one  reaper speed to engine bay could also be nice. Im sure a couple zergs would disagree | ||
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NiNLicorice
Sweden84 Posts
But Zerg needs a nerf that doesn't effect ZvT so much but ZvP ´more. The question is how without disturbing the general playstyle of each race. | ||
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BadgerWatch
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:47 Roxy wrote: and what buff would you suggest that is? any buff to terran early game would certainly cause serious problems as terran is already capable of a ton of incredibly strong all ins. just for kicks, i'd love it if they combined the +2 building armor/bunker upgrade into one reaper speed to engine bay could also be nice. Im sure a couple zergs would disagree I agree. Fixing the balance right now is really tough. Best short-term solution imo is revert EMP. TVP was never terran favored late game. If toss then would want another nerf to 1/1/1, i dont mind it. Best long-term solution = Fix mech vs toss. However probably not gonna happen, and I dont think blizzard is gonna admit that that they made a clear mistake last patch and change emp back, so hence i quitted sc2. Its really not worth wasting time on tvp, when its so broken. | ||
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
Im upset, I thought we had another patch coming =( | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:47 Roxy wrote: and what buff would you suggest that is? any buff to terran early game would certainly cause serious problems as terran is already capable of a ton of incredibly strong all ins. just for kicks, i'd love it if they combined the +2 building armor/bunker upgrade into one reaper speed to engine bay could also be nice. Im sure a couple zergs would disagree reaper speed to eng bay would make all terrans proxy eng bay in the zerg's natural and do 5 rax reaper all over again.. Zergs will cry and the tears will taste good. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46268 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:36 Hider wrote: FFs, who bumped this thread. So stupid. I just throught we would get a new PTR where terran would get there fully deserved buff. Seriously? You drop down to 49% win rate and you need to be buffed? You're so spoiled. And that's only because the new patch had just hit, and Terrans hadn't adjusted their playstyles yet. How about you figure out the previous patch first, before whining already? | ||
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Lorch
Germany3703 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:12 Raid wrote: reaper speed to eng bay would make all terrans proxy eng bay in the zerg's natural and do 5 rax reaper all over again.. Zergs will cry and the tears will taste good. Terrran tears are way tastier than Zerg tears could ever be. Even though Blizz has done some pretty rediculous stuff with sc2 they are not dumb enough to patch T just because there winrate in one matchup went under 50% for the first time in over half a year.. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Seriously? You drop down to 49% win rate and you need to be buffed? You're so spoiled. And that's only because the new patch had just hit, and Terrans hadn't adjusted their playstyles yet. How about you figure out the previous patch first, before whining already? You missed the entire point. Win rate matters shit. Its not even about adjusting. YOu have to play the same way you always did. Because everything besides bio is useless (late game). Prepatch tvp was a bit harder for terran, but overall not so bad. Now its just directly retarded late game. You could try this: Make a poll. Ask both toss players and terran players how confident they feel late game vs the opposite race. I can tell you this, I dont know a single terran who likes tvp late game, and i dont know a single toss who doesn't like pvt late game. But according to your logic terans just need to learn how to play. I guess you could use similar logic when tanks did 60 dmg to everything back in beta. Ppl just needed to learn how to defeat siege tanks..... | ||
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Lorch
Germany3703 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:21 Hider wrote: You missed the entire point. Win rate matters shit. Its not even about adjusting. YOu have to play the same way you always did. Because everything besides bio is useless (late game). Prepatch tvp was a bit harder for terran, but overall not so bad. Now its just directly retarded late game. You could try this: Make a poll. Ask both toss players and terran players how confident they feel late game vs the opposite race. I can tell you this, I dont know a single terran who likes tvp late game, and i dont know a single toss who doesn't like pvt late game. But according to your logic terans just need to learn how to play. I guess you could use similar logic when tanks did 60 dmg to everything back in beta. Ppl just needed to learn how to defeat siege tanks..... So I'm just making sure I get you right here. You really believe that players subjective feel about the matchup (especially when asking random players that could be in any league) matters more than pure statistic winrates on pro level? | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:36 Hider wrote: FFs, who bumped this thread. So stupid. I just throught we would get a new PTR where terran would get there fully deserved buff. trololol? terran has had to be nerfed every patch and likely will continue to see nerfs. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46268 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:21 Hider wrote: You missed the entire point. Win rate matters shit. Its not even about adjusting. YOu have to play the same way you always did. Because everything besides bio is useless (late game). Prepatch tvp was a bit harder for terran, but overall not so bad. Now its just directly retarded late game. You could try this: Make a poll. Ask both toss players and terran players how confident they feel late game vs the opposite race. I can tell you this, I dont know a single terran who likes tvp late game, and i dont know a single toss who doesn't like pvt late game. But according to your logic terans just need to learn how to play. I guess you could use similar logic when tanks did 60 dmg to everything back in beta. Ppl just needed to learn how to defeat siege tanks..... Now I know you're either just pulling my leg or having a really, really bad day. Either way, I don't want to get involved any more. Good luck lol. | ||
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NKsc2
Sweden133 Posts
On November 10 2011 15:04 chuiboy wrote: Man... Protoss is OP enough as it is. It's just that there aren't many pro Protoss players so people are fooled to believe they are the worst race. User was warned for this post This is his first post, how was he not perm banned? Necro and balance whine on the same time on your very. first. post. | ||
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mavsfan0041
United States306 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:57 Hider wrote: I agree. Fixing the balance right now is really tough. Best short-term solution imo is revert EMP. TVP was never terran favored late game. If toss then would want another nerf to 1/1/1, i dont mind it. Best long-term solution = Fix mech vs toss. However probably not gonna happen, and I dont think blizzard is gonna admit that that they made a clear mistake last patch and change emp back, so hence i quitted sc2. Its really not worth wasting time on tvp, when its so broken. You quit starcraft because of the EMP nerf? Ouch... Doesn't that seem a bit harsh? Have a bit more faith in Blizz. They'll get it right eventually! | ||
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Apolex
Canada103 Posts
The win rate for toss was 56% , in some leagues 58% BEFORE patch 1.42, it's gotta be a lot higher now. Toss were raping terrans in all leagues except GM and high masters BEFORE patch. It got worse after patch. | ||
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NKsc2
Sweden133 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:21 Hider wrote: You missed the entire point. Win rate matters shit. Its not even about adjusting. YOu have to play the same way you always did. Because everything besides bio is useless (late game). Prepatch tvp was a bit harder for terran, but overall not so bad. Now its just directly retarded late game. You could try this: Make a poll. Ask both toss players and terran players how confident they feel late game vs the opposite race. I can tell you this, I dont know a single terran who likes tvp late game, and i dont know a single toss who doesn't like pvt late game. But according to your logic terans just need to learn how to play. I guess you could use similar logic when tanks did 60 dmg to everything back in beta. Ppl just needed to learn how to defeat siege tanks..... What? pre patch T 65% - 35% P was harder for... terran? How is it possible to be this biased? Protoss was 15% behind for several months, now terran is 4% and suddenly you want a patch? Kidding me? "everything besides bio is useless", it's the same for protoss? Factory is useless for terran in tvp, stargate is useless for protoss in pvt. You're so used to having the most options so now when you're equal to protoss in both options and winstats, you want a buff? xD rotfl. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
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