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raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
October 30 2011 13:31 GMT
#7401
Im really looking forward to oracle pheonix /vr harass. U can stop spores and stop peoduction of hydras... its gonna be quite amazing
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 13:39:24
October 30 2011 13:35 GMT
#7402
Oracle is the dumbest unit in the history of sc. Why don't they replace it with a unit that disconnects other players from the game and shuts down their computers temporarily.
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
October 30 2011 13:48 GMT
#7403
On October 30 2011 09:45 Ryder. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:24 ShatterZer0 wrote:
On October 30 2011 06:46 XerrolAvengerII wrote:
On October 29 2011 21:03 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
Fun fact:
Six Tempests do 132 dmg (22 x 6) at range 6. Vikings have 125 HP.
Forcing the Vikings to target something other than the Tempests (e.g. Hallucination, Colossi, storm, etc) mean being able vaporize that Viking flower that Protoss seem to have a problem with in WoL.

Add in a few oracles to systematically phase shift static defenses and a couple of phoneix to lift up any last minute GtA units (marine/stalker/hydra), I'd say the future of Sky Protoss never looked so good.


Source for unit stats plx, i want it ALL!!!
and what is the ground attack mechanism? my guess 1 attack per second (like sentry) or something... what kind of output can we expect?



AtA is 22 dmg with an attack speed of 3, splash radius of about a single fungal growth.

AtG is 35 dmg with an attack speed of 2.2, no splash.

Youtube videos and conversations from friends at blizzcon.

Tempest has an AtG range of 6 and an AtA range of 6.

It's been erroneously been stated that it's AtA range is 4 multiple times, but you can easily see in promo vids that Tempests fire before Mutalisks do. Mutalisks have a range of 4.5.

Mutas attack range is actually 3, so it is still possible for Tempest to attack first if AtA range is 4. I have no idea if it is, however.


AtA range of 4 would make it thoroughly useless unless it's as fast as a phoenix... and we all know that shit ain't happening.

.... Vikings being "phoenix" vs Tempests....
A time to live.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
October 30 2011 13:53 GMT
#7404
On October 30 2011 22:21 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 20:23 Salteador Neo wrote:
On October 29 2011 21:03 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
Fun fact:
Six Tempests do 132 dmg (22 x 6) at range 6. Vikings have 125 HP.
Forcing the Vikings to target something other than the Tempests (e.g. Hallucination, Colossi, storm, etc) mean being able vaporize that Viking flower that Protoss seem to have a problem with in WoL.

Add in a few oracles to systematically phase shift static defenses and a couple of phoneix to lift up any last minute GtA units (marine/stalker/hydra), I'd say the future of Sky Protoss never looked so good.


Making 6 tempests that require Fleet Beacon? Zerg would have the entire map by then. And maybe killed you twice with mass roaches too.

Edit: Same deal with terran but with ghosts and stuff


Fact: Tier 3 units are designed to die to mass Tier 1.5/2 units. Trying sending equaling equal resource count BC against Void Rays and it's not pretty.
Same goes for:
- corruptors vs. Mutas,
- Colossi vs Immortal,
- Siege tanks vs. Thors.
- Ultras vs roach
- BC vs. Vikings, etc etc


Tempest solves that problem by being a flying Thor (adjusted for balance).


BC's SPLATTER voids... because if you get BC's you get yamato.

Corruptors are not T3, they're the same level of tech as Mutas.
Colossi in number STILL liquefy Immortals.
Siege tanks in numbers STILL incinerate Thors.
Ultralisks straight up SMASH THE SHIT out of Roaches. Which is why Muta/Ultra/infestor is the gamepaly of the future according to iDra and Nestea...
BC's... yeah they do get smashed by Vikings... but Vikings are the best Air superiority unit in SC history (other than scourges)
A time to live.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
October 30 2011 14:02 GMT
#7405
What happens if I replicate a MULE ? Will it expire after 90 seconds or not ?
Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 14:14:22
October 30 2011 14:09 GMT
#7406
On October 30 2011 22:53 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 22:21 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
On October 30 2011 20:23 Salteador Neo wrote:
On October 29 2011 21:03 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
Fun fact:
Six Tempests do 132 dmg (22 x 6) at range 6. Vikings have 125 HP.
Forcing the Vikings to target something other than the Tempests (e.g. Hallucination, Colossi, storm, etc) mean being able vaporize that Viking flower that Protoss seem to have a problem with in WoL.

Add in a few oracles to systematically phase shift static defenses and a couple of phoneix to lift up any last minute GtA units (marine/stalker/hydra), I'd say the future of Sky Protoss never looked so good.


Making 6 tempests that require Fleet Beacon? Zerg would have the entire map by then. And maybe killed you twice with mass roaches too.

Edit: Same deal with terran but with ghosts and stuff


Fact: Tier 3 units are designed to die to mass Tier 1.5/2 units. Trying sending equaling equal resource count BC against Void Rays and it's not pretty.
Same goes for:
- corruptors vs. Mutas,
- Colossi vs Immortal,
- Siege tanks vs. Thors.
- Ultras vs roach
- BC vs. Vikings, etc etc


Tempest solves that problem by being a flying Thor (adjusted for balance).


BC's SPLATTER voids... because if you get BC's you get yamato.

Corruptors are not T3, they're the same level of tech as Mutas.
Colossi in number STILL liquefy Immortals.
Siege tanks in numbers STILL incinerate Thors.
Ultralisks straight up SMASH THE SHIT out of Roaches. Which is why Muta/Ultra/infestor is the gamepaly of the future according to iDra and Nestea...
BC's... yeah they do get smashed by Vikings... but Vikings are the best Air superiority unit in SC history (other than scourges)


I wish a rebuttal of your claims.
- Most Terrans who rush BC against Protoss going zealot/stalker/VR will tell a different story.

- Really? 6 Colossi (with range) vs 8 focus firing properly split Immortals and the colossi win? I don't think so, Tim.

- That's my point. Siege tanks are a lower tier than Thors and in equal resources will melt thors.

- Really... so 6 c.plating Ultralisks costing 1800m/1200g (not including plating) are going to smash 24 focus firing/stutter stepping glial r. roaches of same cost. I am *very* skeptical of your claim. Seriously.

- So we agree on that point. Hence the speed boost in HotS.
Cauterize the area
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
October 30 2011 14:33 GMT
#7407
On October 30 2011 23:02 BlitzerSC wrote:
What happens if I replicate a MULE ? Will it expire after 90 seconds or not ?


Why would you wanna do that? A MULE is like 4 SCVs, right? Well the replicator costs 200/200 and takes 4 supply, which makes it cost as much as 4 SCVs plus 200 gas.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
October 30 2011 14:37 GMT
#7408
On October 30 2011 23:33 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 23:02 BlitzerSC wrote:
What happens if I replicate a MULE ? Will it expire after 90 seconds or not ?


Why would you wanna do that? A MULE is like 4 SCVs, right? Well the replicator costs 200/200 and takes 4 supply, which makes it cost as much as 4 SCVs plus 200 gas.


Because if it is permanent you can actually mine over probes and increase mining speed?
...
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
October 30 2011 15:21 GMT
#7409
On October 30 2011 23:37 drew-chan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 23:33 Euronyme wrote:
On October 30 2011 23:02 BlitzerSC wrote:
What happens if I replicate a MULE ? Will it expire after 90 seconds or not ?


Why would you wanna do that? A MULE is like 4 SCVs, right? Well the replicator costs 200/200 and takes 4 supply, which makes it cost as much as 4 SCVs plus 200 gas.


Because if it is permanent you can actually mine over probes and increase mining speed?

Y not just clone a scv and make an orbital?
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 15:22:14
October 30 2011 15:22 GMT
#7410
On October 31 2011 00:21 raf3776 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 23:37 drew-chan wrote:
On October 30 2011 23:33 Euronyme wrote:
On October 30 2011 23:02 BlitzerSC wrote:
What happens if I replicate a MULE ? Will it expire after 90 seconds or not ?


Why would you wanna do that? A MULE is like 4 SCVs, right? Well the replicator costs 200/200 and takes 4 supply, which makes it cost as much as 4 SCVs plus 200 gas.


Because if it is permanent you can actually mine over probes and increase mining speed?

Y not just clone a scv and make an orbital?

200/200 for the replicant, 400 for the CC, 100 for the depot, 150 for the barracks. All that before you can get an orbital.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
October 30 2011 15:24 GMT
#7411
On October 30 2011 23:37 drew-chan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 23:33 Euronyme wrote:
On October 30 2011 23:02 BlitzerSC wrote:
What happens if I replicate a MULE ? Will it expire after 90 seconds or not ?


Why would you wanna do that? A MULE is like 4 SCVs, right? Well the replicator costs 200/200 and takes 4 supply, which makes it cost as much as 4 SCVs plus 200 gas.


Because if it is permanent you can actually mine over probes and increase mining speed?


That's a retarded use of 200 gas.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
October 30 2011 17:57 GMT
#7412
not if it's permanent.
Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
October 30 2011 18:03 GMT
#7413
On October 31 2011 02:57 latan wrote:
not if it's permanent.


Then replicating an auto-turret or PDD will be the most imba thing ever.
Since both of them will be fully upgraded.
Cauterize the area
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 18:13:02
October 30 2011 18:10 GMT
#7414
With the carrier gone what's the Fleet Beacon gonna have on it now, it only had interceptor upgrade. In bw there are 22 total upgrades from the core, templar archives, citadel, observatory, robo bay, fleet beacon and the arbiter tribunal. WoL only has 8 I think.
There are three types of people in the universe: those who can count, and those who cant.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
October 30 2011 18:11 GMT
#7415
On October 31 2011 03:03 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 02:57 latan wrote:
not if it's permanent.


Then replicating an auto-turret or PDD will be the most imba thing ever.
Since both of them will be fully upgraded.


Also, replicating scantipedes would be the even more imba thing ever. Since they will be in their fully evolved form.
Never make a hydralisk.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 30 2011 18:14 GMT
#7416
On October 31 2011 03:10 Talic_Zealot wrote:
With the carrier gone what's the Fleet Beacon gonna have on it now, it only had interceptor upgrade. In bw there are 22 total upgrades from the core, templar archives, citadel, observatory, robo bay, fleet beacon and the arbiter tribunal. WoL only has 8 I think.

I imagine it'll be something they haven't shown off yet, if anything. I can see a speed upgrade for the tempest being a thing, or they could very well bring back Flux Vanes.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
October 30 2011 18:26 GMT
#7417
On October 31 2011 03:14 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 03:10 Talic_Zealot wrote:
With the carrier gone what's the Fleet Beacon gonna have on it now, it only had interceptor upgrade. In bw there are 22 total upgrades from the core, templar archives, citadel, observatory, robo bay, fleet beacon and the arbiter tribunal. WoL only has 8 I think.

I imagine it'll be something they haven't shown off yet, if anything. I can see a speed upgrade for the tempest being a thing, or they could very well bring back Flux Vanes.


Immortal range should be an upgrade. Hopefully, they fix that . That unit is way too hard to deal with early-mid game as Zerg unless you hard countered it with a Spire because of force fields. I don't want it to be expensive. Just a short 100/100 upgrade from the robo bay. More upgrades like that would make Protoss certainly more interesting in terms of diversity.
Never make a hydralisk.
Swagtacular
Profile Joined March 2011
United States101 Posts
October 30 2011 19:14 GMT
#7418
i was just playing a custom game of HoTS in WoL and i found out too things that should be fixed.
1: in PvZ the protoss and just make one pylon then use the nexus energy to make it into a cannon to kill early expoing zerg
2: in TvT or maybe and TvX the shedder can be dropped on enemy mineral lines are kill all their workers. WAY MORE EFFECTIVE than the old blue flame helions pre patch

however i do love all the other new units and abilities. ive been playing as random and ive found each new unit very effective
XerrolAvengerII
Profile Joined January 2010
United States510 Posts
October 30 2011 21:08 GMT
#7419
On October 31 2011 00:22 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 00:21 raf3776 wrote:
On October 30 2011 23:37 drew-chan wrote:
On October 30 2011 23:33 Euronyme wrote:
On October 30 2011 23:02 BlitzerSC wrote:
What happens if I replicate a MULE ? Will it expire after 90 seconds or not ?


Why would you wanna do that? A MULE is like 4 SCVs, right? Well the replicator costs 200/200 and takes 4 supply, which makes it cost as much as 4 SCVs plus 200 gas.


Because if it is permanent you can actually mine over probes and increase mining speed?

Y not just clone a scv and make an orbital?

200/200 for the replicant, 400 for the CC, 100 for the depot, 150 for the barracks. All that before you can get an orbital.


Fuck the orbital, just replicate for reactor barraxx!!! stimmed marine dropps VS terran as protoss!!!

can you imagine replacing zealots with blue flame hellions... hellion stalker colossus... that will walk all over terran bio i expect... (after all, hellions are superior versions of the baneling!)
Hey! Hey! Can I interest you in some fruit? Would you like a Banana!?...
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
October 30 2011 21:13 GMT
#7420
On October 31 2011 03:11 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 03:03 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
On October 31 2011 02:57 latan wrote:
not if it's permanent.


Then replicating an auto-turret or PDD will be the most imba thing ever.
Since both of them will be fully upgraded.


Also, replicating scantipedes would be the even more imba thing ever. Since they will be in their fully evolved form.


brb rerolling protoss.
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