The first thread was closed due to a small and non informative OP. I was lucky enough to catch the link before it was closed and watched it for about 10-15 minutes and it was absolutely hilarious and informative to see what these guys who obviously aren't into Starcraft like we are discuss Esports and how it works.
Here is the link http://vimeo.com/30715947 You need to wait and let it load tell the 40 minute mark and from there listen to them talk about Starcraft not only as a spectator sport but how someone from the outside plays it, There is some funny jokes in there to listen for as well.
"Koreans are to Starcraft as Black people are to football" That had me laughing for a long time. So give it a listen..
I wanted to discuss what Joe Rogan is talking about toward the end of the segment about Starcraft were he mentions watching Billiards on TV and how if you don't play it it's not fun to watch. Do you think SC will catch Mainstream people is it entertaining enough for people who have never even played through the campaign?
It was interesting but you could tell that the one guy trying to explain it to the others doesn't have experience explaining the game to people with 0 previous exposure to the game. Right off the bat he was using jargon and specific Starcraft terms like Spawning Pool and I think that turned them off a little bit.
I don't think I agree with his point. My roommate is the polar opposite of a person that would enjoy starcraft but whenever there's an MLG, I'll put it on my laptop and he'll get drawn in for a match or two.
I think the main thing these guys are missing is that they have no idea how great the casting is. You can know next to nothing about sc2 and still be pretty drawn in by the hype and analysis from people like husky and day9.
On October 19 2011 07:45 Seiferz wrote: I don't think I agree with his point. My roommate is the polar opposite of a person that would enjoy starcraft but whenever there's an MLG, I'll put it on my laptop and he'll get drawn in for a match or two.
I think the main thing these guys are missing is that they have no idea how great the casting is. You can know next to nothing about sc2 and still be pretty drawn in by the hype and analysis from people like husky and day9.
There are always going to be exceptions to the rule. But I think in general it is true. That being said I think anyone with any type of RTS experience like Dawn of War, Age of Empires, Command and Conquer etc. could watch a Starcraft game with good casters and get drawn in.
On October 19 2011 07:45 Seiferz wrote: I don't think I agree with his point. My roommate is the polar opposite of a person that would enjoy starcraft but whenever there's an MLG, I'll put it on my laptop and he'll get drawn in for a match or two.
I think the main thing these guys are missing is that they have no idea how great the casting is. You can know next to nothing about sc2 and still be pretty drawn in by the hype and analysis from people like husky and day9.
There are always going to be exceptions to the rule. But I think in general it is true. That being said I think anyone with any type of RTS experience like Dawn of War, Age of Empires, Command and Conquer etc. could watch a Starcraft game with good casters and get drawn in.
That's true, I was more thinking about someone who doesn't play video games at all watching Starcraft if they would get into it.
On October 19 2011 07:45 Seiferz wrote: I don't think I agree with his point. My roommate is the polar opposite of a person that would enjoy starcraft but whenever there's an MLG, I'll put it on my laptop and he'll get drawn in for a match or two.
I think the main thing these guys are missing is that they have no idea how great the casting is. You can know next to nothing about sc2 and still be pretty drawn in by the hype and analysis from people like husky and day9.
Perhaps being at an MLG or something can help stimulate a persons interest a lot but in general I tend to agree with Rogan here. I think to love something as complex as StarCraft 2 you would at least have to have tried playing the game before you can truly appreciate and understand the intricacies and nuances of high level play. He makes a very valid point about people not really giving a sh*t about sports they've never played or have no concept of how it works, however most sports are dummied down so that the average person could at least appreciate it to a certain level (e.g soccer, hockey, etc.). Rogan is a known pool-fanatic and to an outside person pool looks like a stupid game where you hit balls with a ball and a stick and try to get it in holes, sounds like a snoozefest but in Rogans case he used to go to tons of pool halls and just play so he can appreciate the sport at a high level. Ask yourselves if you could watch high level chess and not be bored.
Probably hard for any of us to really see it from Rogan's point of view. However, it should be noted that Rogan has stated many times during UFC events that he can't even watch any other sports because he finds them too boring after watching MMA. So...he might not be the best to judge what people will watch even if they don't have experience with it. I never played football, but I love watching it. My little experience playing soccer has absolutely nothing to do with my enjoyment watching premier league. I don't think it is a requirement to enjoy something.
Soccer in the USA is still barely accepted, the only way to watch it is on the extra pay channels like fox soccer or gol tv. So as for starcraft going main stream? It's possible but if the biggest game in the world can't gain ground in the USA what chance does a video game have?
it's really great that SC2 is getting coverage on this. This is a pretty popular podcast
and I agree with what Joe says
it makes sense. It's like that in all sports. It's a little different because people have personal affiliations because of hometowns and stuff but if you don't have a baseball team near you and you don't understand baseball you really won't enjoy watching it.
Unless you're trashed at a game Bring alcohol to MLG pls
I miss the days when I was like that guy.... I was so innocent and the game seemed to have endless new things to learn. But you could tell that the guy explaining didn't really know how to explain it to the other guys as he was the only one to play it or even watch a game all the way through.
I think if SC2 is going to have a future on TV then there is going to need to be a way to explain the game to someone who has never played the game or heard much about it. Maybe an intro video like they had for each game in the CGS?
On October 19 2011 08:12 envisioN . wrote: I miss the days when I was like that guy.... I was so innocent and the game seemed to have endless new things to learn. But you could tell that the guy explaining didn't really know how to explain it to the other guys as he was the only one to play it or even watch a game all the way through.
I think if SC2 is going to have a future on TV then there is going to need to be a way to explain the game to someone who has never played the game or heard much about it. Maybe an intro video like they had for each game in the CGS?
I don't think that was the point he was trying to make (it having a future on TV). I think he was arguing that it could be shown in arenas or stadiums like other sports. He was implying that in the future, we could watch games like SC2 visually taking place on a field...like holograms of an SC2 battle taking place. Pretty bad-ass to imagine honestly.
i've met joe a couple times (through BJJ) and he is personally someone who can't watch anything he doesn't do. he enjoys watching MMA because he trains, he got his job in the UFC because he was already training under Eddie Bravo and knew the sport in a way most people didn't. he's the kind of person who can't understand the 90% of people who can enjoy something they don't actually understand on a deep level like football or basketball. he has to get deep into the rabbit hole or not at all. i wouldn't use joe as an example of why you should be worried that people won't enjoy watching SC2, he's in a very small minority. i'd say i'm the same way, except i have played SC2.
definitely interesting, simply cus its a sci-fi theme and there's explosions and stuff and who doesn't like to watch two intelligent people battle it out?
holy shit. can you imagine like, 2 football feilds side by side of holographic units, buildings, terrain, and players in just 2 booths playing while we watch these huge 3D starcraft games. holy shit. for anyone who saw star wars, imagine the chess-like game that CP3O played with Chewbacca on the falcon. that 3D chess type thing, but magnified for starcraft.
On October 19 2011 08:29 Soulriser wrote: holy shit. can you imagine like, 2 football feilds side by side of holographic units, buildings, terrain, and players in just 2 booths playing while we watch these huge 3D starcraft games. holy shit. for anyone who saw star wars, imagine the chess-like game that CP3O played with Chewbacca on the falcon. that 3D chess type thing, but magnified for starcraft.
On October 19 2011 08:20 crms wrote: joe just needs to smoke a bowl and watch artosis get all jiggly wiggly and he will be sold.
in all seriousness they just need a better representative to explain it to them and I can see Joe being on board.
lololol
It's just so hard to explain SC2 to people. I live with my gf of 5 years, we're engaged and soon to be married. I've played BW...TFT...and SC2 while being with her. I have sat her down and explained for HOOOOURRRRSSSS sc2 streams of MLG, IPL, NASL, etc. and it's just NOW sinking in.
She will admit though that starcraft is extremely complex, and way to difficult understand
info lords would be a great name for the people casting games lol. was fun listen, the guys very enthusiastic about sc2 even though he can't explain it well.
I got into football because my father would watch each Sunday. When I got into 7th grade I played football because I already loved it, not because I wanted to understand it so I could watch it. I don't think most people get into any sport without first at least being aware of it to some extent, unless they are being proded into it by friends/family.
On October 19 2011 07:27 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: The first thread was closed due to a small and non informative OP. I was lucky enough to catch the link before it was closed and watched it for about 10-15 minutes and it was absolutely hilarious and informative to see what these guys who obviously aren't into Starcraft like we are discuss Esports and how it works.
Here is the link http://vimeo.com/30715947 You need to wait and let it load tell the 40 minute mark and from there listen to them talk about Starcraft not only as a spectator sport but how someone from the outside plays it, There is some funny jokes in there to listen for as well.
"Koreans are to Starcraft as Black people are to football" That had me laughing for a long time. So give it a listen..
I wanted to discuss what Joe Rogan is talking about toward the end of the segment about Starcraft were he mentions watching Billiards on TV and how if you don't play it it's not fun to watch. Do you think SC will catch Mainstream people is it entertaining enough for people who have never even played through the campaign?
Was watching it live and was like yeaaaaaa son. I know a regular named Duncan Trussell on his podcasts plays wow, and prolly knows about the sc2 or might even play.
edit: watched the clip after I wrote my post, yeah this was from yesterday lol
MMA is pretty much the only sport beyond BW and SC2 that I care about, and I've always loved Joe Rogan. He's a very common sense guy, and I agree with most of the stuff he says, but sometimes he can be a little ignorant and judgmental.
The bit on e-sports was interesting. Their response wasn't really surprising. The jargon is just confounding if you haven't played the game.
Better than vimeo, dont need to wait to load. He records these shows while doing them live on ustream btw. If you are on his twitter he posts his shows there
Wow these are pretty good actually, I always thought JR was a bit of a tool from fear factor, but he seems levelheaded and a logical guy. Completely changed my impression of him.
Oh and SC2 was nice to hear about someone be enthusiastic about.
He is either really high or that cool of a guy to be open to so many ideas and things. It's really refreshing, honestly. But I'm pretty sure he's high. At least it seems that way to me. Fine either way though, really good show.
I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt
50 Minute mark.. "as bad as fox news." A little off topic, I apologize, but main stream media in general is just so bad and so biased...it's ridiculous.
On October 19 2011 08:29 Soulriser wrote: holy shit. can you imagine like, 2 football feilds side by side of holographic units, buildings, terrain, and players in just 2 booths playing while we watch these huge 3D starcraft games. holy shit. for anyone who saw star wars, imagine the chess-like game that CP3O played with Chewbacca on the falcon. that 3D chess type thing, but magnified for starcraft.
mind=fucking blown
By the time Starcraft 3 rolls around they will definitely have the technology ^^
I feel as though Duncan Trussell didn't do SC2 justice in his explanation. He went immediately into the complexities of PLAYING the game, and not discussing the aspects of SPECTATING the sport.
It can easily be described as an interactive-real-time-chess match, with "casters/commentators" assisting your lack of knowledge by spouting their game-knowledge.
I have been listening to his podcast for a while now. They are well aware of the korean starcraft scene. He has said it on the show maybe 2 or 3 times :D
On October 19 2011 09:45 Goibon wrote: Now i want to see Joe watch a GSL finals and get his reactions afterwards.
GSL Finals are always bad. I suggest TSL or NASL finals
Yeah i don't know what i was thinking. I guess i was focusing on Tastosis casting an important match in my mind.
Tastetosis compensates for the normal boringness of a BO7 TvT.
Anyway on topic, I think the main issue for people who are trying to get into the game with no experience with it will be the relatively steep learning curve. Of course, compared to games like SupCom FA (TLO will know what I'm talking about ), this game is incredibly easy to learn the basics of. However, when you get to the pro matches with extremely complex strategies, its going to be very hard for people to catch on and hang onto.
On the flip side, games like football are very easy to understand at the core, but the strategy and mind games behind it are something only veterans of the game, hardcore fans, or people who have actually placed football can understand.
On October 19 2011 09:50 EtohEtoh wrote: I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt
yea wtf, that guy had like no clue at all about sc2 as well. So weird.
Anyone who is too lazy to listen to it all. Its basically just some really noob guy who is really enthusiastic about sc2 and esports trying to explain it to Joe and the other dude. Then joe goes on to make the analogy of how no one gives a fuck about watching pool unless they play it in the same way as SC2 (especially since its infinitely more complex and hard to understand). And the only reason why other team sports are so much more popular is that even if you dont play it and understand the game you can still respect the athletism etc of professional players.
And that is exactly why Esports and sc2 will never be mainstream. Because you can make the same analogy about golf, chess, poker, wrestling, etc. No one gives a shit unless they play it themselves and understands it.
On October 19 2011 09:50 EtohEtoh wrote: I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt
yea wtf, that guy had like no clue at all about sc2 as well. So weird.
Anyone who is too lazy to listen to it all. Its basically just some really noob guy who is really enthusiastic about sc2 and esports trying to explain it to Joe and the other dude. Then joe goes on to make the analogy of how no one gives a fuck about watching pool unless they play it in the same way as SC2 (especially since its infinitely more complex and hard to understand). And the only reason why other team sports are so much more popular is that even if you dont play it and understand the game you can still respect the athletism etc of professional players.
And that is exactly why Esports and sc2 will never be mainstream. Because you can make the same analogy about golf, chess, poker, wrestling, etc. No one gives a shit unless they play it themselves and understands it.
I don't think they were saying that at all. They did mention that a definite way for it to be extremely popular was if you could see every unit in a hologram type way and see the fight in 3d where it was so realistic and complex at the same time. But honestly that would take a couple hundred more years of technology, but they were really high so it's not really that far off for them to think of something like that. If you really think about it there will be games like that eventually, just not in our lifetime. If something is really awesome, it will catch on regardless whether or not people understand it or not, starcraft just isn't THAT awesome yet, maybe it won't even be starcraft to become that awesome, but some game will.
On October 19 2011 09:50 EtohEtoh wrote: I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt
yea wtf, that guy had like no clue at all about sc2 as well. So weird.
Anyone who is too lazy to listen to it all. Its basically just some really noob guy who is really enthusiastic about sc2 and esports trying to explain it to Joe and the other dude. Then joe goes on to make the analogy of how no one gives a fuck about watching pool unless they play it in the same way as SC2 (especially since its infinitely more complex and hard to understand). And the only reason why other team sports are so much more popular is that even if you dont play it and understand the game you can still respect the athletism etc of professional players.
And that is exactly why Esports and sc2 will never be mainstream. Because you can make the same analogy about golf, chess, poker, wrestling, etc. No one gives a shit unless they play it themselves and understands it.
Are you calling golf not mainstream? Its pretty fucking mainstream dude.
And no, you don't need to play any of those or sc2 to enjoy it. You just need to understand it. You can understand it just by spectating. I've never played competitive football, but I understand the spread offense and a tampa 2 defense just from spectating. Same holds true for sc2 and any other sport. I never did any mma stuff, but understand it from watching. Do I have the best undersstanding? No, but enough to enjoy it a lot.
Look, sc2 is really complex, but it doesn't need to be explained at a such complex level for new people to find it entertaining. Basically you build up an army and kill your opponent. Explain it at such a basic level and as their interest grows, so will their knowledge of the game. And with sc2, its a visually appealing game. That's huge in attracting viewers.
Competition itself is a natural draw. Its entertaining and has natural drama. That's why sports are entertaining. We like watching the best compete.
my only question going in is who is Joe Rogan? that said, when i try to explain starcraft to someone who knows nothing about the game i avoid specific terms and go to general terms
me teaching a kid who doesnt even know what half the buildings and units are goes something like this
"build worker, hit s [most of my friends start terran because its human] ok click on a worker hit b twice and click anywhere, now you have a rax, when its done you can make a basic fighting unit -- later on BUILD SHOOTA BUILD SHOOTA BUILD WORKA!!!!~" (i like to try to make it hilarious and memorable xD)
On October 19 2011 11:25 unit wrote: my only question going in is who is Joe Rogan? that said, when i try to explain starcraft to someone who knows nothing about the game i avoid specific terms and go to general terms
me teaching a kid who doesnt even know what half the buildings and units are goes something like this
"build worker, hit s [most of my friends start terran because its human] ok click on a worker hit b twice and click anywhere, now you have a rax, when its done you can make a basic fighting unit -- later on BUILD SHOOTA BUILD SHOOTA BUILD WORKA!!!!~" (i like to try to make it hilarious and memorable xD)
I guess that Starcraft is like every other sport right: if you play it, you will enjoy watching it so much more. However, not playing is doesn't mean you can't enjoy it at all. There are way more Americans watching football than there are people playing football. You just need to take the time to understand the basics of the game and you're set to go. The only thing that's different about starcraft is that SCII is a video game, AND there are a lot of stigmas associated to being a gamer. I think that once people set aside the preconception they have of so-called "nerds", Starcraft will be extremely enjoyable even if you don't play it.
On October 19 2011 11:31 MooMooMugi wrote: Joe Rogan: " I have no time for this."
I think that was him accentuating that the game is too complex to explain in the time of the show, as well that he wanted to go into the next subject of the show.
On October 19 2011 07:56 firalol wrote: Soccer in the USA is still barely accepted, the only way to watch it is on the extra pay channels like fox soccer or gol tv. So as for starcraft going main stream? It's possible but if the biggest game in the world can't gain ground in the USA what chance does a video game have?
Well that isn't the only thing you can infer from that analogy though. Yes that is one way of looking at it. The other is that the overall popularity of the sport doesn't matter. What matters is interest of your demographic, and how expensive is it to put it on a time slot.
For example, I'm sure every sport channel would love to have Barclays on at some point. But they have to pay a good amount of money to have the right to air it, and their demographic wouldn't want to miss Hockey/Football/Basketball etc. So is the cost of putting Man U vs Arsenal at 3 am worth it? No.
But what about putting darts in the afternoon? There is a small following, but more importantly, it is very cheap to put on TV. I think SC2 would fall under this umbrella. Instead of paying millions for premiere Soccer league, they can pay relatively nothing to put on something people enjoy, and they can put it at any time and still get a decent following.
It's crazy how many people had the wrong idea about Joe Rogan, they immediately dismissed him with the knowledge that he's a reality TV show host, probably rightfully so. He's one of the few level headed celebrities out there and he is completely down to earth, open minded, and acknowledges that where he is right now is a combination of hard work and luck. He doesn't feel entitled to his success nor does he expect anyone to know him. His podcast is easily one of the most eye-opening and awesome things on the internet, even if you look passed all the goofy high talk, there's tons of cool stories and he does raise a lot of important questions about human interaction and life in general. Also kind of exposes some of the bullshit craziness that happens in the comedy world, as he is quite the comedy connoisseur.
Also the guests he brings on are equally interesting, Bryan Callen is one of my favourite guests on that show, he's appeared in many movies in various extra roles, most notably in the Hangover. Dude's incredibly intelligent and interesting, i'd recommend watching any podcast featuring him or Duncan Trussell.
The guy on the right was the tech guy Brian "redban", he's a bit weird at times and I don't quite understand why he's wearing a blizzard t-shirt but he may be a fan of WoW or something. *shrugs*.
On October 19 2011 12:35 daxile wrote: It's crazy how many people had the wrong idea about Joe Rogan, they immediately dismissed him with the knowledge that he's a reality TV show host, probably rightfully so. He's one of the few level headed celebrities out there and he is completely down to earth, open minded, and acknowledges that where he is right now is a combination of hard work and luck. He doesn't feel entitled to his success nor does he expect anyone to know him. His podcast is easily one of the most eye-opening and awesome things on the internet, even if you look passed all the goofy high talk, there's tons of cool stories and he does raise a lot of important questions about human interaction and life in general. Also kind of exposes some of the bullshit craziness that happens in the comedy world, as he is quite the comedy connoisseur.
Also the guests he brings on are equally interesting, Bryan Callen is one of my favourite guests on that show, he's appeared in many movies in various extra roles, most notably in the Hangover. Dude's incredibly intelligent and interesting, i'd recommend watching any podcast featuring him or Duncan Trussell.
The guy on the right was the tech guy Brian "redban", he's a bit weird at times and I don't quite understand why he's wearing a blizzard t-shirt but he may be a fan of WoW or something. *shrugs*.
Me and Rogan are very similar within our interests in life. Been listening to his podcasts since about episode 20, have since listened to em all. They are all funny, informative, at the same time fucking ludacris and crazy. He has awesome guests from friends like Joey diaz duncan trussell and ari shaffir, to more "classy" guests like anthony bourdain, and a bunch of scholars n shit as well. Best podcast out there imo
Pretty funny that earlier in the podcast they take about commercials sucking people into insane amounts of consumerism (fancy car bit) and then in the StarCraft bit they plug Razer mice that's "specially designed for this shit."
It's great to here new players be enthusiastic about the game. lol'd at the guy talking about larvae inject spraying out of the Queen's ass.
I listened to that episode today and was very pleased with Brian Redban talking up sc2. I agree that if someone like Artosis or Day9 sat down with Joe, he'd more than likely get hooked, or at least he'd appreciate the game a lot more.
that's wicked that it has come up in the podcast. i just got into listening to his podcast a couple of months ago and i'm fucking hooked. so much interesting and hilarious discussion goes on. joe rogan is a fucking onto it dude. moar exposure for sc2!!!
SC2 has a lot of friendly aspects to it. If you have never seen StarCraft you can still understand what's going on somewhat. You see people making workers to get money then you see someone making an army to go destroy the other person. It's like chess with killing and really good graphics. People will catch on.
On October 19 2011 11:25 unit wrote: my only question going in is who is Joe Rogan? that said, when i try to explain starcraft to someone who knows nothing about the game i avoid specific terms and go to general terms
me teaching a kid who doesnt even know what half the buildings and units are goes something like this
"build worker, hit s [most of my friends start terran because its human] ok click on a worker hit b twice and click anywhere, now you have a rax, when its done you can make a basic fighting unit -- later on BUILD SHOOTA BUILD SHOOTA BUILD WORKA!!!!~" (i like to try to make it hilarious and memorable xD)
I agree with you that when explaining SC2 to someone who doesnt play, i usually avoid all the specific names to avoid confusing them. I try to dumb down the game to the bare basics. SC2 is an economy based game, and with the money, you do 3 main things. Army, Tech, more money. When i watch games with my friends who dont play sc2, i explain it to them that ok this guy is getting army while this guy is going econ. Army has to hit econ before econ reaps its benefits if not he falls behind, cause with a bigger econ u can get a bigger army.
Most of the time they get it, then ill go on to tell them what whichever side can do to turn the game around. And thats when i go deeper into the game!
On October 19 2011 11:25 unit wrote: my only question going in is who is Joe Rogan? that said, when i try to explain starcraft to someone who knows nothing about the game i avoid specific terms and go to general terms
me teaching a kid who doesnt even know what half the buildings and units are goes something like this
"build worker, hit s [most of my friends start terran because its human] ok click on a worker hit b twice and click anywhere, now you have a rax, when its done you can make a basic fighting unit -- later on BUILD SHOOTA BUILD SHOOTA BUILD WORKA!!!!~" (i like to try to make it hilarious and memorable xD)
I agree with you that when explaining SC2 to someone who doesnt play, i usually avoid all the specific names to avoid confusing them. I try to dumb down the game to the bare basics. SC2 is an economy based game, and with the money, you do 3 main things. Army, Tech, more money. When i watch games with my friends who dont play sc2, i explain it to them that ok this guy is getting army while this guy is going econ. Army has to hit econ before econ reaps its benefits if not he falls behind, cause with a bigger econ u can get a bigger army.
Most of the time they get it, then ill go on to tell them what whichever side can do to turn the game around. And thats when i go deeper into the game!
=D
In the past Valencia Dreamhack, a small cable channel in Spain broadcasted the tourney in spanish with two spanish amateur casters, but between games they keep airing explanation videos of what SC2 is, and how it works. They explained micro, macro, each race concept, and a small bio of E-sports so far.
Even my wife found them interesting, with zero SC2 knowledge. Now thanks to that videos and my friendship with one of the casters, she is hooked to the game, and we both enjoyed the MLG orlando in the past weekend. (well, i was casting the games for her, since she doesn't understand english)
So maybe it is just possible to keep people with no RTS knowledge (as far as it goes, my wife gaming knowledge is "angry brids" and "plants vs zombies" in the Iphone) just doing beginner oriented videos on each tv shows from time to time.
On October 19 2011 17:30 Nash wrote: Is this some kind of listen-only-because-they're-so-stupid-show?
Um, no, it's an extremely enlightening podcast with interesting people. They might discuss some things you don't like in a way you don't like but there's no reason to call them anything close to stupid. I don't know how you could listen to Joe Rogan for a while and even if you think what he's talking about is stupid, not see how he is eloquent in his own way.
On October 19 2011 11:31 Awesomeness wrote: Started watching it for the sc2-part, finished up watching the whole episode. Cool guys.
I'm 22 minutes in now and have laughed so much more than I thought I was going to. I'm going to have to start watching his podcasts. I'm glad I ran across this OP.
On October 19 2011 17:30 Nash wrote: Is this some kind of listen-only-because-they're-so-stupid-show?
Um, no, it's an extremely enlightening podcast with interesting people. They might discuss some things you don't like in a way you don't like but there's no reason to call them anything close to stupid. I don't know how you could listen to Joe Rogan for a while and even if you think what he's talking about is stupid, not see how he is eloquent in his own way.
Ok, well, I did listen for a while (not only about the SC2 stuff) and it reminded me more of a bunch of college guys talking and high-fiving eachother and calling eachother dudes and bros than an intelligent discussion between rational people, but maybe I was too quick to judge then.
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
User was banned for this post. FYI this is not Joe Rogan.
Yeah I listened to the podcast today and the Starcraft discussion was interesting, Duncan actually mentioned Starcraft 2 in Joe's last podcast with him as well but this time it was for a longer period. I hope that's the real Joe Rogan (twitter post would confirm!) anyway if it is, great podcasts Joe, weird to hear my worlds collide on your podcast.
On October 19 2011 07:30 JohnnyYen wrote: from wildchild15 on reddit: switch to html5 player using the small link just down and right from the video window.. allows you to skip to point.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
Wait what? Did Joe Rogan really join TL to post in this thread? That's pretty fucking cool, man. Welcome to TL, Joe. Hope you stick around to learn more about the community.
That is so awesome i loved the podcast so awesome that joe responded n the thread as well. Ive loved joes comedy for awhile he kind of influenced me to try psychedelics. Big props to joe for being such a open person!!
My brother talks about this podcast a lot but I've never listened to it now. I'm surprised about how much their opinions line up with mine. But what I really wanted to mention was when they were talking about linking up with everyone else's consciences, they were basically talking about the Khala. Perhaps Joe should think about playing protoss
also Duncan is kind of talking about the Dark Templar Haha.
And Phillip K. Dick talked about something very similar to those "emotional recordings" they talked about in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. And I'm with Rogan when he says that he hopes that those come later. Recordings like that would just placate us into non-action.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
As someone who was already a Joe Rogan fan I find this awesome.
I think I have to start listening to this podcast starting when I get home from work. Never heard it before
No way... As a fan this is huge for me. I'm a huge UFC fan, and I think Joe is the best commentator MMA has. The runner up being Bas Rutton. Fantastic.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
Immensely cool of you to come post here and give the game a chance. Love the UFC commentating, the comedy and pretty much everything you're doing.
I was actually going to make this thread, but then I saw the original get taken down quickly I figured that nobody really cared.
However it's awesome to see how many of you are now interested in the podcast through the clip with Duncan Trussell talking about SC2. I've been watching since literally episode 10-20 and as silly as it sounds to people who only know about Joe Rogan through MMA/UFC or Fear Factor, he is one of the most interesting, open-minded, intellectual people i've ever listened too.
Also, I skimmed through this thread pretty quickly so I apologise if someone already mentioned this and I missed it... but Sundance has actually invited Joe, Redban (Joe's video editor/assistant/friend) and Duncan to attend MLG Providence and get the "VIP treatment" as he worded it hehe. Duncan is seriously considering the offer it seems judging by his twitter posts but I think there is a UFC event happening the same weekend, so I can't see Joe attending.
The awesome does not stop there. It appears someone either tweeted about the podcast to Artosis, or he watches it himself anyway, but him and Duncan have been communicating over Twitter and Artosis is going to help him get out of bronze league!
On October 19 2011 22:59 MasterKush wrote:I've been watching since literally episode 10-20 and as silly as it sounds to people who only know about Joe Rogan through MMA/UFC or Fear Factor, he is one of the most interesting, open-minded, intellectual people i've ever listened too.
For sure man, so many wanna be intellectuals who just subscribe to group think and can't entertain an original or abstract thought to save their life.
Lol is there any way to know if the post by "Joe Rogan" in this thread is actually Joe Rogan? Seems like someone probably just thought it would be a funny opportunity to troll and create a "Joe Rogan" account to reply here.
Awesome to see you here Joe! There are lots of combined MMA and SC2 fans.
I think that the mindset and die hard competivness needed to reach top levels in fighting and SC2 is quite similar. And you probably can find similarities between the ground game mind games and Sc2 aswell.
Wow this was the shit, I've seen this guy do insult comedy before but this podcast is legit and they keep SUCH an open mind about SC. Would have been so easy for the two other guys to make fun of the guy who brings up professional video games and brush it off but they really get into it. Also DAMN eSports arena with Shakuras zvt projected as a hologram.. I'd lose it.
Super cool of Joe to post here assuming it really is him. Ive been a long time fan of his standup and being a big UFC fan I really appreciate his commentating. Hes also one of the few celebrities whos opinion I respect. Maybe he can get a featured stream here on TL when/if he does decide to start practicing SC2. Anyways maybe ill catch Joe at UFC 139 cant wait to see those fights in person! GOGOGO Shogun, Urijah and Cain!!!!
Joe Rogan is an absolutely hilarious and awesome dude. I would have never in my wildest dreams have imagined that he would be posting on TeamLiquid... just out of the pure randomness.
But that's what E-Sports is doing. It's bringing people from all walks of life into the discussion and the community. And I completely agree with his comparison to MMA. People used to discredit the hell out of the UFC, and now it is a world-recognized professional league.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
Welcome to TeamLiquid Joe.
Your enthusiasm to learn about different cultures & communities never ceases to amaze me. As a follower of your podcast since pretty much the beginning, It's pretty mind-blowing/surreal to see you post on here and talk about possibly playing as Zerg to learn the game and such. It's really awesome man and if you continue to post on here i'll be the happiest nerd alive, haha.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
If that's not actually Joe Rogan... that was the most well-crafted troll I have ever seen in my life. It sounds completely like Joe Rogan talking. "Combat sports was my Starcraft" and talking about PRIDE... that has to be JR lol.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
IP matches with previous banned user
Sigh, knew it was too good to be true. Whoever posted that obviously watches his podcasts though, to know about JR's previous experience with Quake etc.
Edit: If you check through the tweets sent between Duncan and Artosis you will see that neither of them mention TeamLiquid. Duncan however replied to another twitter user saying that he has been on this site before, but not very often.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
Lol I was listening to the podcast as I came across this thread. I heard the conversation on the podcast last week, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. For anyone who hasn't heard it yet, check out the Joe Rogan Experience podcast on iTunes. It's free and really interesting- very conversational but captivating at the same time.
I think it's awesome that Joe was willing to come on TL to talk about this. If he gets into SC2 I don't know what I'll do with myself. Imagine Joe Rogan as a commentator.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
These two sentences are why it's fake. Trying a little too hard, but nice try nonetheless.
On October 19 2011 08:02 N3rV[Green] wrote: I would also recommend people listen to the whole thing all the way through. These are some deep people, and they have some pretty cool stuff to say.
Agreed, this whole podcast was amazing. What's very neat to hear is how easily they transition from topic to topic. They started out just talking about the sponsor because it was just mentioned and had hardly a break in train of thought from there until the end.
I agree with Joe on the shared consciousness thing a lot more then with Duncan's ideas, though. It's great to hear people willing to just keep going on those mental tangents and what-ifs and be capable of discussion instead of being bound to one belief.
As for the SC2 section, I can see it going either way. While I agree that people who have never played are getting less out of it then people who have, I don't know if it's a requisite to enjoy watching at all. There are a number of conflicting examples that can be brought up, as Joe said, nobody really likes watching pool or golf if they've never played more then a game or so of them. But I love watching pros play nearly any active or highly competitive sport. If the complex nature of the game can be translated into a watchable form I think it has a chance to grow a lot, especially with how easy it is to pick it up and play compared to a lot of other sports (where you need to find scheduled practice times, not to mention a team to even get started)
Rogan's observation for someone who hasn't played much starcraft (seemed to me like he has atleast tried it) is amazingly astute. Starcraft really does take over your life and to some extent eat away at your brain. I don't know know how many games I've relived in my dreams afters entire days of playing SC2. It's really cool that a game can be that involving, but it also scares the shit out of me and my productivity has really bottomed out since SC2 came out.
There are definitely a lot of misconceptions about Rogan. Most of my friends either think he is "that douche from Fear Factor" or just the UFC commentator guy. In reality he is very open-minded, intelligent with interesting opinions and perspectives and of course funny (he is a comedian after all). I caught the first podcast they did in December 2009 live and I've been hooked ever since having watched/listened to practically everyone of them. Myriad of interesting guests (recently there has been Anthony Bourdain, Graham Hancock, Kevin Smith, and Duncan Trussell among others) where there are really no boundaries of where the discussion goes.
He was a hardcore Quake III player back in the late 90s when he was on News Radio, so he knows about competitive gaming, but he is certainly out of the loop of how far eSports has progressed since those days. It would be cool if he learned just a fraction about the current scene and game as I'm sure his conversations with Duncan would be epic.
If this Duncan Trussell podcast piqued anyone's interest you can find his podcast on iTunes of course or at this archive here.
Also, he has his own message board that he has been running for over a decade http://forums.joerogan.net
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
On October 19 2011 07:56 firalol wrote: Soccer in the USA is still barely accepted, the only way to watch it is on the extra pay channels like fox soccer or gol tv. So as for starcraft going main stream? It's possible but if the biggest game in the world can't gain ground in the USA what chance does a video game have?
Soccer is on ESPN all the time. What are you on about?
I'm sure Joe Rogan would agree with me that the main thing holding SC2 back from more mainstream popularity is Carlos Mencia mindlessly stealing everyone's builds. Discuss.
On October 20 2011 04:14 Flaccid wrote: I'm sure Joe Rogan would agree with me that the main thing holding SC2 back from more mainstream popularity is Carlos Mencia mindlessly stealing everyone's builds. Discuss.
On October 19 2011 09:50 EtohEtoh wrote: I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt
yea wtf, that guy had like no clue at all about sc2 as well. So weird.
Anyone who is too lazy to listen to it all. Its basically just some really noob guy who is really enthusiastic about sc2 and esports trying to explain it to Joe and the other dude. Then joe goes on to make the analogy of how no one gives a fuck about watching pool unless they play it in the same way as SC2 (especially since its infinitely more complex and hard to understand). And the only reason why other team sports are so much more popular is that even if you dont play it and understand the game you can still respect the athletism etc of professional players.
And that is exactly why Esports and sc2 will never be mainstream. Because you can make the same analogy about golf, chess, poker, wrestling, etc. No one gives a shit unless they play it themselves and understands it.
Are you calling golf not mainstream? Its pretty fucking mainstream dude.
And no, you don't need to play any of those or sc2 to enjoy it. You just need to understand it. You can understand it just by spectating. I've never played competitive football, but I understand the spread offense and a tampa 2 defense just from spectating. Same holds true for sc2 and any other sport. I never did any mma stuff, but understand it from watching. Do I have the best undersstanding? No, but enough to enjoy it a lot.
Look, sc2 is really complex, but it doesn't need to be explained at a such complex level for new people to find it entertaining. Basically you build up an army and kill your opponent. Explain it at such a basic level and as their interest grows, so will their knowledge of the game. And with sc2, its a visually appealing game. That's huge in attracting viewers.
Competition itself is a natural draw. Its entertaining and has natural drama. That's why sports are entertaining. We like watching the best compete.
All those things are on TV on multiple channels. They are all 'mainstream' but I do not give a fuck about wrestling, pool, or golf even though I've played them before (and understand them).
And I already said you need to play it or understand it, you are reiterating my points.
What are you trying to say? That sc2 WILL be as big as team sports? Never gonna happen. At best it will be like poker or golf or some shit no one cares about, like I said.
Honestly, they are all awesome, but here are some that I recommend personally. Firstly, any and all podcasts containing these guests are the best IMO -Joey Diaz -Duncan Trussell -Ari Shaffir - Bert "THE MACHINE" Kreicher
I'm sure I missed one of his regular guests here, regardless all the episodes are awesome.
But as far as people who have not been on regularly, some must watch ones are A 4hr podcast of awesomeness with the guest being Kevin Smith As well, Anthony Bourdain is a awesome one. Didn't realize how cool he actually is. And he did one with Bas Rutten, a must see for all MMA fans. And still as awesome if you aren't.
Enjoy peeps, I have been for awhile now and look forward to these more than any show I can think of TBH
- Experience enhanced greatly with copious amounts of marijuana.
Just saw on twitter, a podcast is about to go live in another 1.5hrs from now (starting at 7pm Pacific)
On October 19 2011 09:50 EtohEtoh wrote: I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt
yea wtf, that guy had like no clue at all about sc2 as well. So weird.
Anyone who is too lazy to listen to it all. Its basically just some really noob guy who is really enthusiastic about sc2 and esports trying to explain it to Joe and the other dude. Then joe goes on to make the analogy of how no one gives a fuck about watching pool unless they play it in the same way as SC2 (especially since its infinitely more complex and hard to understand). And the only reason why other team sports are so much more popular is that even if you dont play it and understand the game you can still respect the athletism etc of professional players.
And that is exactly why Esports and sc2 will never be mainstream. Because you can make the same analogy about golf, chess, poker, wrestling, etc. No one gives a shit unless they play it themselves and understands it.
Are you calling golf not mainstream? Its pretty fucking mainstream dude.
And no, you don't need to play any of those or sc2 to enjoy it. You just need to understand it. You can understand it just by spectating. I've never played competitive football, but I understand the spread offense and a tampa 2 defense just from spectating. Same holds true for sc2 and any other sport. I never did any mma stuff, but understand it from watching. Do I have the best undersstanding? No, but enough to enjoy it a lot.
Look, sc2 is really complex, but it doesn't need to be explained at a such complex level for new people to find it entertaining. Basically you build up an army and kill your opponent. Explain it at such a basic level and as their interest grows, so will their knowledge of the game. And with sc2, its a visually appealing game. That's huge in attracting viewers.
Competition itself is a natural draw. Its entertaining and has natural drama. That's why sports are entertaining. We like watching the best compete.
All those things are on TV on multiple channels. They are all 'mainstream' but I do not give a fuck about wrestling, pool, or golf even though I've played them before (and understand them).
And I already said you need to play it or understand it, you are reiterating my points.
What are you trying to say? That sc2 WILL be as big as team sports? Never gonna happen. At best it will be like poker or golf or some shit no one cares about, like I said.
You didn't say you need to play it or understand it, you said you need to play it and understand it implying you need to both, rather than one or the other. Just a intercommunication there.
And now you call those things mainstream after calling them not mainstream. I dont get what you are trying to say. You yourself not caring about them doesn't matter, its that they are mainstream.
You don't need to be as big as team sports to be mainstream. Of course esports wont be as big as team sports, I never was trying to say that. But I was saying that its capable of being mainstream.
And people care about golf quite a bit. Not sure why you think they don't. When stuff gets broadcast on major networks each weekend during the season, its pretty obvious people care about it. If sc2 got as big as golf, that would be fucking amazing.
Not to twitter saavy, duno how to link it properly SlayerSZero xZerox @duncantrussell knowing that you love esports, has made me love you even more. Check out a thread you guys ignited teamliquid.net/forum/viewmess… ♥♥♥ 1 hour ago in reply to ↑ duncantrussell @duncantrussell duncantrussell @SlayerSZero so cool! I just joined the board. Going to post something when im not in an airport.
Personal posts inc???!?!?!? Let's nerd tutor this guy all the way to masters!!!
EDIT: Can someone tell me how to make a proper link to the twitter convo>?
Oh god this is great news. spreading the news of eSports ^^
EDIT: just watched it, wasnt as much as i was expecting, still good though. the "spawning pool" talk put the other guys off greatly.. i feel this is worthy of a topic in itself but im busy atm..
I love the Joe Rogan podcast so much that I got pretty giddy when they started talking about SC2. I was actually tempted to make a thread about it or even make a thread about the podcast in general, i'm glad someone took the initiative :D
All the talk of Blizzard games on the podcast got me even more excited for blizzcon this weekend. If Duncan makes a youtube channel for SC2 i will be checking it daily. The only thing that i would find better than that is if he started a guild, he would have his own army on WoW.
On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote: Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
IP matches with previous banned user
Ah, so Rogan used to troll team liquid under a fake name!
It's Duncan from the Rogan podcast. I love that you guys are excited about the fact that I talked about SC2 and esports on The Rogan Podcast. I just started watching the MLG events and have been supremely enjoying them. I also love playing the game, but am currently festering in the bronze league.
Maybe you guys can give me some tips? I play zerg.
On October 20 2011 16:15 duncantrustzerg wrote: Hello!
It's Duncan from the Rogan podcast. I love that you guys are excited about the fact that I talked about SC2 and esports on The Rogan Podcast. I just started watching the MLG events and have been supremely enjoying them. I also love playing the game, but am currently festering in the bronze league.
Maybe you guys can give me some tips? I play zerg.
The strategy section is your friend. Also, day9 dailies:
On October 20 2011 16:15 duncantrustzerg wrote: Hello!
It's Duncan from the Rogan podcast. I love that you guys are excited about the fact that I talked about SC2 and esports on The Rogan Podcast. I just started watching the MLG events and have been supremely enjoying them. I also love playing the game, but am currently festering in the bronze league.
Maybe you guys can give me some tips? I play zerg.
Welcome to Team Liquid!
I, for one, was pretty happy to hear this talked about on the podcast. No matter how much I enjoy watching eSports, even now with barcrafts everywhere celebrating these major tournaments, I can't help but feel like it's an extremely niche concept that most people will never want to embrace.
But then I see this on JRE, or see Gordon Hayward promote the IGN ProLeague or find out that Nik Lentz from UFC is an SC2 enthusiast and I start to believe that eSports really is getting pretty huge.
On October 20 2011 16:15 duncantrustzerg wrote: Hello!
It's Duncan from the Rogan podcast. I love that you guys are excited about the fact that I talked about SC2 and esports on The Rogan Podcast. I just started watching the MLG events and have been supremely enjoying them. I also love playing the game, but am currently festering in the bronze league.
Maybe you guys can give me some tips? I play zerg.
Hello Duncan,
I had never listened too, or heard of, the Rogan Podcast before this, but I enjoyed it! All the way through, not just the e-sports mention. So let Joe know that you helped win him some fans
I am a master league zerg, and I use the speedling expand build nearly exclusively. It is good because you are safe from most builds your opponent can do to you, and can keep up in economy. So what I do is at 9 supply overlord, 14 supply gas, make a drone, 14 supply again pool. Once you have mined 100 gas, take your workers off of gas. Once pool completes, make your queen and a couple lings, and research zergling speed.
Generally from here you will want to expand at around 21 supply, but I'll leave the rest to you! Play around with it and see what works and what doesn't.
Good Luck!
ps. Check out the Liquipedia strategy sections here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Strategy Don't only look at just the Zerg strategy, but general strategy to help you get a better understanding of the game
Joe's gonna be in deep shit playing Zerg if he hasn't had any prior experience to real-time strategy games like Command and Conquer or Warcraft. He should consider playing Protoss or Terran first. Even with me having experience with Warcraft, Red Alert and Starcraft : Broodwar, I can't play well enough as Zerg to be able to win games on a frequent basis.
Also, hey Duncan. There's actually some people around the North American servers that can teach people to play Zerg from Bronze to Masters somewhere in the SCII general and Strategy forums, if I recall clearly. You might want to search for those threads/authors.
Joe Rogan is alot more than a fear factor/ufc caster persona. He has done pretty decent standup. He's also a proponent of higher consciousness and human rights. I mean any guy who has a sensory depravation tank in his basement has to be a pretty cool guy.
On October 21 2011 01:17 Bowzer wrote: I watched this live :D
E-Sports and SC2 are going mainstream.
It's inevitable. The MLG tournaments that I watched were riveting and the production value was fantastic. All that needs to happen is for a network to start broadcasting them on TV and to set it up in a way that people who have never played can understand.
Who wants to watch juiced up meatheads chasing a ball around a giant lawn when they can watch burrowed, speed enhanced Banelings evaporate marine swarms?
On October 21 2011 01:17 Bowzer wrote: I watched this live :D
E-Sports and SC2 are going mainstream.
It's inevitable. The MLG tournaments that I watched were riveting and the production value was fantastic. All that needs to happen is for a network to start broadcasting them on TV and to set it up in a way that people who have never played can understand.
Who wants to watch juiced up meatheads chasing a ball around a giant lawn when they can watch burrowed, speed enhanced Banelings evaporate marine swarms?
it's like weed legalization. makes sense, should happen soon, but just won't.
I just watched it for the Starcraft part and ended up listening to the entire thing. Their Starcraft discussion seemed open minded and the show itself is pretty damn good.
On October 21 2011 01:17 Bowzer wrote: I watched this live :D
E-Sports and SC2 are going mainstream.
It's inevitable. The MLG tournaments that I watched were riveting and the production value was fantastic. All that needs to happen is for a network to start broadcasting them on TV and to set it up in a way that people who have never played can understand.
Who wants to watch juiced up meatheads chasing a ball around a giant lawn when they can watch burrowed, speed enhanced Banelings evaporate marine swarms?
Oh man, you're the straight goods. But i'd rather see marines split and nom nom the banes ;P
http://vimeo.com/47829914 Another shout out on JRE with Duncan Trussel gives a shout out to Artosis and uses banelings as an example to describe some cool stuff in nature. Great episode :D
lol, you know what is funny? I was just listening to JRE #246 thinking to myself, "I wonder if they will ever talk about starcraft 2 on this podcast..."
EPT
Bring alcohol to MLG pls
