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10ftcoke
United States2 Posts
1. what graphic setting is best for detecting invisible units? 2. which units are the easiest to spot and when? for example dts are much easier to spot moving than standing still 3. in tournament games, have you seen a player scan the obs and kill it w/o detection? dts are much easier to see, but I have yet to see a player spot the obs 4. is it even worth it to use a scan on the obs? mules bring in roughly 300 if I'm correct and obs cost about half of that | ||
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
roaches/infestors kind of tough, i have no tricks observers i normally scroll down my mouse wheel super quick just to double check (helps against stagnant obs) | ||
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CosmosXAM
United States121 Posts
2.as long as its moving I pretty much see them all about the same 3.yea all the time 4.and yes the info the other player is getting can be worth A LOT more then simply the cost of and obs or mule | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
2. Don't know most of them are easy if you're paying attention but hard when you're not 3. Yeah. 4. Don't know for certain but if you know he is building colossi it is probably a good idea as he might remake his obs. Hey read this thread you should put your question there instead of making a new thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808 | ||
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Lorizean
Germany1330 Posts
1. I think somebody said it's everything to low, textures to high/ultra and shaders to mid, but that might be a myth 2. As far as I'm aware, all the units are equally hard/easy to spot - maybe dt's are easier because they can't fly  (spotting burrowed units is significantly harder though)3. Yeah, quite often actually. 4. Depends if you think it's important to deny scouting / use up robo time (an observer being made takes the spot of a collossus/immortal...) Generally it's worth it I think (though I'm no expert). | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:03 10ftcoke wrote: we've all seen flash pull out the maphacks and scan invisible obs right on the spot. but that was in BW. Is it still feasible to spot invisible units without detection? 1. what graphic setting is best for detecting invisible units? 2. which units are the easiest to spot and when? for example dts are much easier to spot moving than standing still 3. in tournament games, have you seen a player scan the obs and kill it w/o detection? dts are much easier to see, but I have yet to see a player spot the obs 4. is it even worth it to use a scan on the obs? mules bring in roughly 300 if I'm correct and obs cost about half of that No offence, but you clearly haven't watch very many games, Terrans scan Observers all the time. Killing the Observer is better almost all the time, because you're denying your opponent vital scouting information and you can possibly force them to make another one. Gas and robotics build time are normally important for Protoss. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
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ZappaSC
Denmark215 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:05 CosmosXAM wrote: 1. Graphics all on low, but effects on high is what I heard helps best That trick is an old TLO thing, and the effect he was talking about is no longer there. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Achilles306
Canada84 Posts
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
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czaku
Poland429 Posts
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ilovelings
Argentina776 Posts
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Hikari
1914 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
On October 13 2011 07:07 DjRetro wrote: I play on low graphics but with ultra textures and medium effects... i can see DTs and cloak banshee easily. agreed, DTs, banshees, as well as everything under a mothership (its a huge blob of distorted stuff under that mothership! I wonder what it might be?) are really easy to spot on any quality, but in my opinion obs are a lot harder for two reasons: 1. it's small 2. it's flying so it can "hide" its distortion in places where you are not used to looking, for example on a cliff, its a lot more difficult to find that "that cliff is distorted!" than "the ground is moving!" and I have heard low quality everything and texture quality being disputed | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
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Kaeru
Sweden552 Posts
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MVega
763 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
I haven't seen much difference in helping spot this with different graphical setting. I'm not certain if you can spot burrowed units this way either. Scanning an observer to kill it is situational. It depends on what units you want to use (banshees for example, how much income you have (is the mule really that important to have at this moment?) and whether the opponent getting scouting information is pivotal (you don't want your opponent see you pushing out or taking a hidden expo). | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On October 13 2011 07:34 johnnywup wrote: i know BoxeR uses the mouse scroll wheel up and down to see observers to scan and kill...thats the best way i know of How does this work? | ||
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provrorsbarn
Sweden766 Posts
U just use the scroll wheel on your mouse back and forth quickly to zoom in /out...when for instance you view your army (cuz its usually there)..... | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:01 provrorsbarn wrote: U just use the scroll wheel on your mouse back and forth quickly to zoom in /out...when for instance you view your army (cuz its usually there)..... Ah yes! That is a great technique for doing this! | ||
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trustispro
United States5 Posts
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SC.Shifty
Canada135 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
You'd think easiest visibility for cloaked units would be kind of a big deal. | ||
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
and I can spot shit most of the time. You can also just assume things like if you're fighting a protoss chances are he has an obs right over your army so a random scan won't hurt | ||
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SupremeMe
Sweden227 Posts
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kenkou
United States235 Posts
All cloaked/burrowed units except mothership are present in the pictures. They are all lined up and its very hard to tell, but there is a slight blur for the cloaked units. To start, the cloaked banshee is to the right of the stargate, and the observer right next to that. All other units fall right underneath those. You can't tell the difference with burrowed roach and infestor. Fullscreen the pictures or you won't be able to see anything. Low + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3SHgw.jpg) Medium + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qPp0m.jpg) High + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2M3aa.jpg) Ultra + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cVWrR.jpg) Custom (Low texture quality, High shader, Ultra lighting, Medium shadow, everything else low/off.) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RaSWj.jpg) Out of all the settings, I found my custom to be the easiest to spot the units. Something about lighting really has an effect on the visibility of cloaked units. I haven't tested this on any other map tileset, but its a start. | ||
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E.H Eager
United States227 Posts
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E.H Eager
United States227 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:47 kenkou wrote: Here are some screenshots of cloaked units on different graphics settings. The texture quality and graphics quality are set to said screenshot except for custom. All cloaked/burrowed units except mothership are present in the pictures. They are all lined up and its very hard to tell, but there is a slight blur for the cloaked units. To start, the cloaked banshee is to the right of the stargate, and the observer right next to that. All other units fall right underneath those. You can't tell the difference with burrowed roach and infestor. Fullscreen the pictures or you won't be able to see anything. Low + Show Spoiler + Medium + Show Spoiler + High + Show Spoiler + Ultra + Show Spoiler + Custom (Low texture quality, High shader, Ultra lighting, Medium shadow, everything else low/off.) + Show Spoiler + Out of all the settings, I found my custom to be the easiest to spot the units. Something about lighting really has an effect on the visibility of cloaked units. I haven't tested this on any other map tileset, but its a start. I really couldn't see any of those at all... Edit: I saw the banshee! Only when I fullscreened the custom settings one and zoomed in even further... | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:04 Caliber wrote: banshees/dts are super easy for me roaches/infestors kind of tough, i have no tricks observers i normally scroll down my mouse wheel super quick just to double check (helps against stagnant obs) Burrow units make a dark patch and kick up dust when they move. Its actually really easy to spot once you know what your looking for. | ||
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Conquerer67
United States605 Posts
Roaches or infestors, they're harder because they can't automatically attack and give themselves away, but if your eyes are scanning between the minimap and the entrance to your nat, then they are really easy to see. Observers, well, you sometimes get lucky. I have no idea how pros do it, but I'm guessing they're just used to seeing observers and recognizing the blur. Also, isn't that why zergs are starting to just put random spores around their tech buildings whenever they have money? It isn't extremely common, but it's a good idea. But when you're looking at a deathball, it is pretty easy to see where the obsv is. It's just that you are looking directly at it and not worrying about injects at the same time. Usually, because for some reason the deathballs always come in the middle of a production cycle. | ||
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Mortal
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jupiter6
205 Posts
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:48 jupiter6 wrote: ok i just changed all to Low (textures high) and everything looks clearer even game runs smoother, have one big problem with it, FF look horrible i just cant stand it (and its even hard to see it -.-) is there a command or something i could add to txt file to change graphic of forcefields so everything else stays on low ? go to my documents/starcraft II/variables.txt and make sure these 2 lines are there: simplifiedCloaking=0 simplifiedShaders=0 you will notice cloaked units/force fields way better. gl hf | ||
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Fealthas
607 Posts
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alepoff
140 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:58 Fealthas wrote: Im wondering...Can you spot burrow moving units? yes, but imo much harder than invis units | ||
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-stOpSKY-
Canada498 Posts
On February 06 2012 06:58 Fealthas wrote: Im wondering...Can you spot burrow moving units? You can but you almost have to know that they are there and pay CLOSE attention. Its really not feasible to see them just as you would a cloaked unit running by. | ||
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