EPTauthorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post.
You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B.
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
authorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post. You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:14 caradoc wrote: authorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post. You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B. You are incorrect. If Blizzard provides methods for developers to use in applications, they are giving authorization for those applications to use those methods. There is nothing in that clause that requires written conscent. Why do you keep replying without reading? | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:18 ODKStevez wrote: Yes it is still showing up, I can't get rid of it. Did you save it into your startup folder or something? There's no reason why it should be running, especially after restarting your computer. Open your task manager, go to processes, right click on "SC2Helper.exe" and click "Open File Location." End the process, and then delete it from the window that opens. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:18 Okiesmokie wrote: You are incorrect. If Blizzard provides methods for developers to use in applications, they are giving authorization for those applications to use those methods. There is nothing in that clause that requires written conscent. Why do you keep replying without reading? Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is by definition unauthorized if it is not explicitly authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent. This is similar to mouse/keyboard macros, which are illegal, but do not interact with the game client either. You also say nothing in your OP about 'methods for developers to use'. I see you edited one of your responses on the previous page to say that blizzard provides notifications to developers, but similar apps have been declared unauthorized before, even ones with less impact on game experience. I'm also nervous about how the OP goes to such lengths to state that its clean and virus free, but people are having trouble removing it, and it's triggering keylogger alerts on antivirus scanners. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:20 Okiesmokie wrote: Did you save it into your startup folder or something? There's no reason why it should be running, especially after restarting your computer. Open your task manager, go to processes, right click on "SC2Helper.exe" and click "Open File Location." End the process, and then delete it from the window that opens. I selected "Run" on the download option. Nothing is saved to my drive. I restarted again and i'll check if it works ^^ | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote: Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is not authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent. It would allow them, yes, but will they? No, because of the implied consent. Just because there is a catch-all clause that would allow them to prosecute programs that are technically legal, but obviously malicious, doesn't mean that they will prosecute programs that are not. There are a lot of programs that people use on a daily basis that are also riding on the implied consent, but are not malicious in any way. Stream programs modify your game experience by having people able to chat with you about a game you are playing. Overlay programs that hide replay bars are also modifying your game experience. SC2Gears actually datamines and provides APM Alerts while in game, why hasn't that been scrutinized? The list goes on. On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:This is similar to mouse macros, which are illegal, but do not interact with the game client either. Mouse macros fall under automation, which is why they specifically say that in that clause. That has nothing to do with the "authorized programs" portion. On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:You also say nothing in your OP about 'methods for developers to use'. Actually I do, and if you did any research at all you would be able to find the post in the thread I linked that provided the code to the author of the original program. | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote: Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is by definition unauthorized if it is not explicitly authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent. This is similar to mouse/keyboard macros, which are illegal, but do not interact with the game client either. You also say nothing in your OP about 'methods for developers to use'. I'm also nervous about how the OP goes to such lengths to state that its clean and virus free, but people are having trouble removing it. TBH, you're summing up every single reason that i won't be getting it. I'm a little concerned that everyone's having such a difficult time getting rid of it / making sure it's clean, and i, like you, don't believe that it doesn't violate TOS. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:30 ODKStevez wrote: I selected "Run" on the download option. Nothing is saved to my drive. I restarted again and i'll check if it works ^^ Contrary to popular belief, selecting "Run" still saves it to your hard drive. The only difference is that it is saved into your temp file as opposed to a location you provide. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:30 reneg wrote: TBH, you're summing up every single reason that i won't be getting it. I'm a little concerned that everyone's having such a difficult time getting rid of it / making sure it's clean, and i, like you, don't believe that it doesn't violate TOS. One person is everyone?  | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
Meanwhile, hf cheating. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:30 Okiesmokie wrote: It would allow them, yes, but will they? No You're probably right, my concern is not whether you make and use this program and whether or not Blizzard will take action. Rather it is with the existence of this thread on TL. Essentially its promoting cheating, and again, though a separate issue, I'm nervous about whether this program has a keylogger on it. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:44 caradoc wrote: You're probably right, my concern is not whether you make and use this program and whether or not Blizzard will take action. Rather it is with the existence of this thread on TL. Essentially its promoting cheating, and again, though a separate issue, I'm nervous about whether this program has a keylogger on it. Like I've said a hundred times, this program doesn't add anything that isn't already in the game. If you think it's morally cheating, don't use it. There is no reason that you need to come around preaching your cause. If a moderator doesn't like it, they can remove it. You are not a moderator. | ||
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Astevio
Sweden3 Posts
Thanks for a great app! | ||
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Zergleaf
England34 Posts
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths? 5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough. Thanks | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote: I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again. Thanks for a great app! Hmm, it should only last as long as the standard notification. I could shorten it if you'd like, though. How long do you think it should last? On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote: Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is. Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths? 5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough. Thanks This is a good idea, I'll work on adding a configuration interface to it. | ||
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Cyx.
Canada806 Posts
Like Caradoc said, you're promoting cheating on an extremely blatant level and that's not cool. Whether or not Blizzard will actually take action against it is completely not the point - the point is that they COULD, legally, and that part of the TOS was put there for a reason. If you're violating the TOS you probably shouldn't have a TL thread about it, whether or not you actually get in trouble for it. Nothing about this mod is beneficial to the game. Learn to play the game like it was made like everyone else. EDIT: Also: Like I've said a hundred times, this program doesn't add anything that isn't already in the game. Yes it does. The notifications that are already there are clumped with all the other notifications the game sends you. Finish zergling speed? Larva popped? You just made fifty zerglings? All those come up in the same place. Setting the most important one of them apart and giving it its own separate notification system is totally adding something to the game. I don't see how you can possibly say otherwise. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote: Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is. Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths? 5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough. Thanks Zergleaf: profile created 5 minutes ago On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote: I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again. Thanks for a great app! Astevio: 3 posts, the other two in the thread that the OP referenced. Both posting consecutively after OP replies? On October 06 2011 05:53 Okiesmokie wrote: Hmm, it should only last as long as the standard notification. I could shorten it if you'd like, though. How long do you think it should last? This is a good idea, I'll work on adding a configuration interface to it. and then both getting quoted by OP immediately? fishy. | ||
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Zergleaf
England34 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:55 caradoc wrote: profile created 5 minutes ago 3 posts, all in related threads Both posting consecutively after OP replies? fishy. I created an account because there was something that i deemed useful on TL, and i wanted to give my (negative) feedback. If you think that's fishy then i'd not be surprised to find out that you already wear tinfoil hats. I'm sure the mods on this site can check the IP's of me and OP.. derp. | ||
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