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On October 03 2011 11:12 polysciguy wrote:
if poker is defined as enough of a sport to be showed on espn, im sure starcraft can qualify. also i would like to note that curling is considered a sport.......how much physical activity is actually involved? bowling? Horse racing? nascar?
Horse racing and nascar, believe it or not, actually take an incredible amount of physical endurance, but I see your point and completely agree with you 
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So the big hurdles for putting Starcraft on regular TV are two: irregular game duration and advertising difficulty. However, both of these are fairly simple to overcome by looking at the currently televised event that shares those characteristics: boxing.
As much as it would hurt the easy-access-for-new-viewers angle, the television model that works for starcraft is Pay Per View. Ideally, you could offer SD on a free channel, HD for-pay, and basically recreate the streaming model that MLG uses now. Obviously, this is less flexible than internet streaming, so it would not be particularly feasible at current interest levels.
However, as popularity grows, the numbers may start to work out. TV broadcasting is also appealing, even if it replicates other services, because service tends to be more stable, and it requires less infrastructure, especially on large or multiple screens (Barcraft gets a LOT easier if it's on TV).
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On October 03 2011 11:19 xlava wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 11:12 polysciguy wrote:
if poker is defined as enough of a sport to be showed on espn, im sure starcraft can qualify. also i would like to note that curling is considered a sport.......how much physical activity is actually involved? bowling? Horse racing? nascar? Horse racing and nascar, believe it or not, actually take an incredible amount of physical endurance, but I see your point and completely agree with you
I would argue that even starcraft takes physical endurance. When I go on a gaming Marathon, I get mentally and to some extent physically tired. I imagine Pros, who are concentrating much harder than I do, probably feel drained after a long day of gaming as well. Although its easy to say that Starcraft is more of a mental contest than a physical one.
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The thought of seeing SC2 on ESPN2 is a very enticing one, but I'm not sure I'd watch, unless it's something I can't regularly get like normal on my comp. I don't watch a whole lot of TV anymore.
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Here's an idea:
Play ads during the game in one of the corners, where there's normally just an overlay with the tournament logo.
These could be static ads which rotate, or video ads which come on intermittently.
I'm sure this idea could be refined, but this could allow near constant advertisement with static or animated ads, or not interrupt game-flow with video ads.
Basically, they use the empty space which is normally just reserved for the tournament logo.
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On October 03 2011 14:10 StreetWise wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 11:19 xlava wrote:On October 03 2011 11:12 polysciguy wrote:
if poker is defined as enough of a sport to be showed on espn, im sure starcraft can qualify. also i would like to note that curling is considered a sport.......how much physical activity is actually involved? bowling? Horse racing? nascar? Horse racing and nascar, believe it or not, actually take an incredible amount of physical endurance, but I see your point and completely agree with you I would argue that even starcraft takes physical endurance. When I go on a gaming Marathon, I get mentally and to some extent physically tired. I imagine Pros, who are concentrating much harder than I do, probably feel drained after a long day of gaming as well. Although its easy to say that Starcraft is more of a mental contest than a physical one.
Do you have any idea what it's like to sit in a car for 500 miles, piss and shit yourself for a few hours? In StarCraft, you can get up, get some water, piss and shit in a toilet, and fall asleep without dying. And with running marathons... egghhh. You lose like 5-8% of your body weight by the time the thing is over.
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I'll be honest, I wouldn't watch for a few reasons.
1) I don't have cable
2) It's easier to just pick a stream I want online with no hassle.
3) Commercials. How will they handle long games?
4) Possible if not likely dumbing down of commentary and/or pre game to help the masses.
5) Probable 3am play time, as I highly doubt ESPN is going to put SC2 on a normal zone.
The biggest plus would be production value. Otherwise, I don't really care if SC2 doesn't get more popular as I don't need a large amount of people to watch the same thing I do to validate my liking it.
Overall, I don't think it would have a huge effect on popularity. I feel it would be largely shunned by most ESPN viewers anyway, but it's still worth a try if you're desperate to garner more attention for the game.
The biggest challenge are the commentators. There aren't many casters that could fill the role.
Needs are :
-Good knowledge AND capable of transmitting it to people that have never played while keeping us nerds entertained.
-Good voice, without FAKE enthusiasm but real one.
-Looks respectable. Not super important normally but there's a pretty high standard in TV broadcasts.
-Able to keep nerd jokes completely out of commentary. This I feel is the biggest challenge. All the casters are used to joking around, and it's not a bad thing if SC2 is to be played on TV, but the jokes need to be adapted.
-No inside jokes, knowledge, etc. Keeping it professional (for example, not cheering for a person you know very well) and not basing your analysis on subjective things such as friendship (it feels like professionnal when a caster talks like he's best friends with all the players, even if he is.
-Not saying anything that could offend anyone.... yep.
And finally, the games would need to be perfect to keep the attention of a decent number of viewers. It can't be a 1-sided game or anything with a ton of bad mistakes or boring drawn out fights. Depending on luck or staged games, to be honest, would be the only way to make it work. You don't get 100s of chances, and if the games turn out terrible, people tune out. It's different from a normal sports in that it's hard to appreciate effort if the games turn out badly were as you can easily spot positives from say a hockey player who has a bad game but still tries hard.
Basically, the same problems as an event such as MLG, but amplified x100 for TV standards. People are taking them too lightly IMO.
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On October 04 2011 11:58 Conquerer67 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 14:10 StreetWise wrote:On October 03 2011 11:19 xlava wrote:On October 03 2011 11:12 polysciguy wrote:
if poker is defined as enough of a sport to be showed on espn, im sure starcraft can qualify. also i would like to note that curling is considered a sport.......how much physical activity is actually involved? bowling? Horse racing? nascar? Horse racing and nascar, believe it or not, actually take an incredible amount of physical endurance, but I see your point and completely agree with you I would argue that even starcraft takes physical endurance. When I go on a gaming Marathon, I get mentally and to some extent physically tired. I imagine Pros, who are concentrating much harder than I do, probably feel drained after a long day of gaming as well. Although its easy to say that Starcraft is more of a mental contest than a physical one. Do you have any idea what it's like to sit in a car for 500 miles, piss and shit yourself for a few hours? In StarCraft, you can get up, get some water, piss and shit in a toilet, and fall asleep without dying. And with running marathons... egghhh. You lose like 5-8% of your body weight by the time the thing is over.
Do you seriously piss and shit yourself if you don't go in a few hours? You might need to see a doctor.
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On October 04 2011 11:58 Conquerer67 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 14:10 StreetWise wrote:On October 03 2011 11:19 xlava wrote:On October 03 2011 11:12 polysciguy wrote:
if poker is defined as enough of a sport to be showed on espn, im sure starcraft can qualify. also i would like to note that curling is considered a sport.......how much physical activity is actually involved? bowling? Horse racing? nascar? Horse racing and nascar, believe it or not, actually take an incredible amount of physical endurance, but I see your point and completely agree with you I would argue that even starcraft takes physical endurance. When I go on a gaming Marathon, I get mentally and to some extent physically tired. I imagine Pros, who are concentrating much harder than I do, probably feel drained after a long day of gaming as well. Although its easy to say that Starcraft is more of a mental contest than a physical one. Do you have any idea what it's like to sit in a car for 500 miles, piss and shit yourself for a few hours? In StarCraft, you can get up, get some water, piss and shit in a toilet, and fall asleep without dying. And with running marathons... egghhh. You lose like 5-8% of your body weight by the time the thing is over.
Sometimes, when I make long trips, I sit in a car for 5 hours straight. Granted, I'm doing 70 not 200, but I've yet to either piss or shit myself.
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On October 03 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 09:29 crocodile wrote:On October 03 2011 08:42 Assirra wrote:On October 03 2011 08:42 Pulzlulz wrote:On October 03 2011 08:40 Assirra wrote:On October 03 2011 07:46 Tippecanoe wrote:On October 03 2011 07:34 tarodotoxin wrote:
sc2 is an esport, not a real sport....they should put it on g4 tv....that channel has so much garbage, SC2 seems like a very viable option for that channel How is SC2 not a real sport? An athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature. Taken from Dictionary.com The problem here is the first part, athletic activity. Go ask random ppl if they consider playing a video game as athletic activity. The closest with starcraft at this time you will get is esport. Random people aren't defining words. Sure, then please tell me where it saids that starcraft is an athletic activity or how it is considered as one. Your profile says you're from Belgium. Do you not understand what the word "or" means? Oh i do, except it seems not in the middle of the night. Sorry for that, my mistake. also, its quite lame to say stuff like that but thanks for filling the stereotypical american bucket some more.
For what it's worth, I think Assirra is right...
I don't consider SC2 an athletic ability. The "or" refers to the skill or physical prowess part.
So the definition means that a sport is:
AN ATHLETIC ACTIVITY
that requires skill OR physical prowess. In both cases it still needs to be an athletic activity.
But still, I'd watch SC2 on ESPN; I think it's more of a sport than Poker which I also watch on ESPN
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On October 04 2011 12:27 GeorgeForeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 11:58 Conquerer67 wrote:On October 03 2011 14:10 StreetWise wrote:On October 03 2011 11:19 xlava wrote:On October 03 2011 11:12 polysciguy wrote:
if poker is defined as enough of a sport to be showed on espn, im sure starcraft can qualify. also i would like to note that curling is considered a sport.......how much physical activity is actually involved? bowling? Horse racing? nascar? Horse racing and nascar, believe it or not, actually take an incredible amount of physical endurance, but I see your point and completely agree with you I would argue that even starcraft takes physical endurance. When I go on a gaming Marathon, I get mentally and to some extent physically tired. I imagine Pros, who are concentrating much harder than I do, probably feel drained after a long day of gaming as well. Although its easy to say that Starcraft is more of a mental contest than a physical one. Do you have any idea what it's like to sit in a car for 500 miles, piss and shit yourself for a few hours? In StarCraft, you can get up, get some water, piss and shit in a toilet, and fall asleep without dying. And with running marathons... egghhh. You lose like 5-8% of your body weight by the time the thing is over. Sometimes, when I make long trips, I sit in a car for 5 hours straight. Granted, I'm doing 70 not 200, but I've yet to either piss or shit myself.
Lol.
Seriously. I'm pretty sure they use the restroom before they start the race. If you think going for longer than three hours without using the restroom is impossible, I suggest you see a doctor.
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On October 03 2011 09:29 crocodile wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 08:42 Assirra wrote:On October 03 2011 08:42 Pulzlulz wrote:On October 03 2011 08:40 Assirra wrote:On October 03 2011 07:46 Tippecanoe wrote:On October 03 2011 07:34 tarodotoxin wrote:
sc2 is an esport, not a real sport....they should put it on g4 tv....that channel has so much garbage, SC2 seems like a very viable option for that channel How is SC2 not a real sport? An athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature. Taken from Dictionary.com The problem here is the first part, athletic activity. Go ask random ppl if they consider playing a video game as athletic activity. The closest with starcraft at this time you will get is esport. Random people aren't defining words. Sure, then please tell me where it saids that starcraft is an athletic activity or how it is considered as one. Your profile says you're from Belgium. Do you not understand what the word "or" means?
Your post pisses me off for two reasons. One, Assirra obviously has a good grip on the English language, the language used on TL, and has been quite the cordial man in his posts. Two, you correct the dude with your superiorly incorrect English when he was the one that was right!
Now, I demand you apologize to avoid further staring of my evil eye, also known as my e-vil eye.
Your choice.
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On October 04 2011 12:18 Kurr wrote:
I'll be honest, I wouldn't watch for a few reasons.
1) I don't have cable
2) It's easier to just pick a stream I want online with no hassle.
3) Commercials. How will they handle long games?
4) Possible if not likely dumbing down of commentary and/or pre game to help the masses.
5) Probable 3am play time, as I highly doubt ESPN is going to put SC2 on a normal zone.
The biggest plus would be production value. Otherwise, I don't really care if SC2 doesn't get more popular as I don't need a large amount of people to watch the same thing I do to validate my liking it.
Overall, I don't think it would have a huge effect on popularity. I feel it would be largely shunned by most ESPN viewers anyway, but it's still worth a try if you're desperate to garner more attention for the game.
The biggest challenge are the commentators. There aren't many casters that could fill the role.
Needs are :
-Good knowledge AND capable of transmitting it to people that have never played while keeping us nerds entertained.
-Good voice, without FAKE enthusiasm but real one.
-Looks respectable. Not super important normally but there's a pretty high standard in TV broadcasts.
-Able to keep nerd jokes completely out of commentary. This I feel is the biggest challenge. All the casters are used to joking around, and it's not a bad thing if SC2 is to be played on TV, but the jokes need to be adapted.
-No inside jokes, knowledge, etc. Keeping it professional (for example, not cheering for a person you know very well) and not basing your analysis on subjective things such as friendship (it feels like professionnal when a caster talks like he's best friends with all the players, even if he is.
-Not saying anything that could offend anyone.... yep.
And finally, the games would need to be perfect to keep the attention of a decent number of viewers. It can't be a 1-sided game or anything with a ton of bad mistakes or boring drawn out fights. Depending on luck or staged games, to be honest, would be the only way to make it work. You don't get 100s of chances, and if the games turn out terrible, people tune out. It's different from a normal sports in that it's hard to appreciate effort if the games turn out badly were as you can easily spot positives from say a hockey player who has a bad game but still tries hard.
Basically, the same problems as an event such as MLG, but amplified x100 for TV standards. People are taking them too lightly IMO.
The same way OGN handles it imagine, play the entire game out then play the commercials afterwords,(which can take like 6-7 minutes to get all the commercials but still)
Oh, and on topic: SC2 no BW yes.
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On October 03 2011 12:17 Wren wrote:
So the big hurdles for putting Starcraft on regular TV are two: irregular game duration and advertising difficulty. However, both of these are fairly simple to overcome by looking at the currently televised event that shares those characteristics: boxing.
As much as it would hurt the easy-access-for-new-viewers angle, the television model that works for starcraft is Pay Per View. Ideally, you could offer SD on a free channel, HD for-pay, and basically recreate the streaming model that MLG uses now. Obviously, this is less flexible than internet streaming, so it would not be particularly feasible at current interest levels.
However, as popularity grows, the numbers may start to work out. TV broadcasting is also appealing, even if it replicates other services, because service tends to be more stable, and it requires less infrastructure, especially on large or multiple screens (Barcraft gets a LOT easier if it's on TV).
Honestly, if leagues go on TV, I think they should all be cast on replays for the professionalism and the irregular time issue.
Sure those big events would be streamed live, and it could get long or short, but it's like that for a lot other sports to.
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On October 03 2011 11:19 xlava wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 11:12 polysciguy wrote:
if poker is defined as enough of a sport to be showed on espn, im sure starcraft can qualify. also i would like to note that curling is considered a sport.......how much physical activity is actually involved? bowling? Horse racing? nascar? Horse racing and nascar, believe it or not, actually take an incredible amount of physical endurance, but I see your point and completely agree with you
if it gets money and views and is competitive, call it a sport and put it on your network. all this labeling crap and definition mongering of "is it actually a sport" is completely meaningless.
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Amazingly, SC2 has the ability to pause a game which means... They could if they really insist put in regularly scheduled commercials. I doubt most games would need it but even I would appreciate a short break from 60 minute TvT slugfest.
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Who wants to see long drawn out games on television? They either need to a) produce it so its fast paced, mostly highlight videos, or b) eliminate the zerg and terran race, and just do mass PvP chess games, since they only take 10 minutes.
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We all must agree...if it DOES get on to ESPN2, We have to tune in EVEN if your not watching....you can watch on your pc but tune in on the old wireless and add a viewer to the number. Something gets on ESPN2, it will create more revenue for the sport and help create a bigger and wider audience. Please if you have ESPN, and it gets shown...tune in!!!!
if its shown on espn korea will definitely watch in a bar <3
Note: Just show the tournaments, none of these bullshit ultimate gamer shows or anything like that...maybe show something to explain SC2 like KR did with the WCG qualifiers when they had boxer talking about the differences in the game!
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On October 04 2011 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Here's an idea:
Play ads during the game in one of the corners, where there's normally just an overlay with the tournament logo.
These could be static ads which rotate, or video ads which come on intermittently.
I'm sure this idea could be refined, but this could allow near constant advertisement with static or animated ads, or not interrupt game-flow with video ads.
Basically, they use the empty space which is normally just reserved for the tournament logo.
I would refuse to watch on ESPN if they had constant ads like this, or if the Ads blocked any gameplay.
Its the whole reason I refuse to take off adblock; I got sick and tired of missing bits of gameplay due to an ad rolling around.
I think replayed games would be the best run on a TV, because you know how long the game will be and thus you know when/how long you need to run your ad breaks. Hell, I wouldn't mind (as much as I already mind regular ads) if they paused the game right after an intense battle to do an ad run, then resume just after (seamless transition on tv, of course)
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