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On September 29 2011 09:00 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 08:57 Wuster wrote:On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:46 Mylkyjo wrote:
I didn't buy it for the first time this year. I don't have time to keep up with all of it, especially with so many TvTs which tend to be long games.
I would really prefer the GSL to be the Top 10 players of each race + 2 the next two highest ranked players or invitees. I think the diversity would really spice it up and we'd still have at least the 12 top players in Korea. see other people agree, its a perfectly reasonable idea Well he changed your idea which was terrible. Some reserved slots might be ok, but across the board would be horrible. On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:47 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:45 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:39 Fluffboll wrote:On September 29 2011 08:36 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:20 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
There isn't anything Gom can do about it that wouldn't cause more harm to the tournament than it would help.
That's a fact. Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. That might actually be the worst idea i've ever heard. Let's force players to change races or remove them because it just so happens that there are a lot of terrans. On September 29 2011 08:20 zeru wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
There isn't anything Gom can do about it that wouldn't cause more harm to the tournament than it would help.
That's a fact. Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. That's the worst idea ever. On September 29 2011 08:22 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
There isn't anything Gom can do about it that wouldn't cause more harm to the tournament than it would help.
That's a fact. Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. Yeah bad idea...if you start bringing over people who don't deserve/earn the spot then there will be a huge skill gap and make games way boring. On September 29 2011 08:22 Fluffboll wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
There isn't anything Gom can do about it that wouldn't cause more harm to the tournament than it would help.
That's a fact. Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. Got to echo the others and say this is the worst idea I've heard in a very long time. Actually its the best idea to fix the situation. The only reason so many terrans win is because everyone plays terran. It's best from an entertainment perspective to allow an equivalent number of best players from each race to play each other. Look how many people said no gsl b/c terrans? It is a horrible idea. If you do this you need to have 8 spots in Code S reserved for Random players too and there are NOT that many good Random players. To simply kick people out of the GSL because they play a certain race no matter if they win or not is just dumb period. You don't have to include random there are 3 races. You wouldn't be kicking people out of the gsl, you'd be removing excess terrans that shouldn't be there in the first place. They deserve to be there because they earned their Code S spots, just handing out Code S spots for more diversity is plain wrong. Why? What people want to see are good players playing all the matchups. If they want their spots they can switch to a race they think they can place in. Forcing people to change races due to popularity or because you can't surpass the top players of your chosen race turns the competition into a farce and game quality is going to fall off really, really fast if players are constantly switching races due to current population balances. That or they'll just go to other tournaments, which again, makes the competitive integrity of GSL a joke. Was about ready to type that. I'll just add that pros might be decent at playing other races but it will take a huge amount of time to be able to compete with the best players in Code S, so what that dude you are quoting is saying is that he would like to see matches that would be more diverse but less fun to watch because of skill gaps.
Less fun to watch? Because there are just massive skill gaps in the gsl right? That's why everyone remains in Code S without every falling out right?
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I'd rather watch quality games instead of watching lower quality games of EU and Americans. Plus Tastosis is just so good and funny. This season is so good.
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On September 29 2011 09:11 sc2trainer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 09:00 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:57 Wuster wrote:On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:46 Mylkyjo wrote:
I didn't buy it for the first time this year. I don't have time to keep up with all of it, especially with so many TvTs which tend to be long games.
I would really prefer the GSL to be the Top 10 players of each race + 2 the next two highest ranked players or invitees. I think the diversity would really spice it up and we'd still have at least the 12 top players in Korea. see other people agree, its a perfectly reasonable idea Well he changed your idea which was terrible. Some reserved slots might be ok, but across the board would be horrible. On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:47 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:45 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:39 Fluffboll wrote:On September 29 2011 08:36 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:20 Dodgin wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:
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Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. That might actually be the worst idea i've ever heard. Let's force players to change races or remove them because it just so happens that there are a lot of terrans. On September 29 2011 08:20 zeru wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:
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Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. That's the worst idea ever. On September 29 2011 08:22 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:
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Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. Yeah bad idea...if you start bringing over people who don't deserve/earn the spot then there will be a huge skill gap and make games way boring. On September 29 2011 08:22 Fluffboll wrote:On September 29 2011 08:18 sc2trainer wrote:
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Force equal number of positions for all 3 races. Got to echo the others and say this is the worst idea I've heard in a very long time. Actually its the best idea to fix the situation. The only reason so many terrans win is because everyone plays terran. It's best from an entertainment perspective to allow an equivalent number of best players from each race to play each other. Look how many people said no gsl b/c terrans? It is a horrible idea. If you do this you need to have 8 spots in Code S reserved for Random players too and there are NOT that many good Random players. To simply kick people out of the GSL because they play a certain race no matter if they win or not is just dumb period. You don't have to include random there are 3 races. You wouldn't be kicking people out of the gsl, you'd be removing excess terrans that shouldn't be there in the first place. They deserve to be there because they earned their Code S spots, just handing out Code S spots for more diversity is plain wrong. Why? What people want to see are good players playing all the matchups. If they want their spots they can switch to a race they think they can place in. Forcing people to change races due to popularity or because you can't surpass the top players of your chosen race turns the competition into a farce and game quality is going to fall off really, really fast if players are constantly switching races due to current population balances. That or they'll just go to other tournaments, which again, makes the competitive integrity of GSL a joke. Was about ready to type that. I'll just add that pros might be decent at playing other races but it will take a huge amount of time to be able to compete with the best players in Code S, so what that dude you are quoting is saying is that he would like to see matches that would be more diverse but less fun to watch because of skill gaps. Less fun to watch? Because there are just massive skill gaps in the gsl right? That's why everyone remains in Code S without every falling out right?
Where do you get everyone stays in Code S? MarineKing fell out and earned his way back up, Byun fell out and is now in Code B, sC fell out and is now stuck in code A (out of Terran players and many more players from other races fell out also.) Many players from this season will be going to the up&down matches and can lose their spots but that is up to the players from Code A to knock them out. Just because there are so many terran's doesn't mean they don't deserve it they either won their way up from Code A or kept their spot by winning in the up&Down matches.
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On September 29 2011 09:17 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 09:11 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 09:00 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:57 Wuster wrote:On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:46 Mylkyjo wrote:
I didn't buy it for the first time this year. I don't have time to keep up with all of it, especially with so many TvTs which tend to be long games.
I would really prefer the GSL to be the Top 10 players of each race + 2 the next two highest ranked players or invitees. I think the diversity would really spice it up and we'd still have at least the 12 top players in Korea. see other people agree, its a perfectly reasonable idea Well he changed your idea which was terrible. Some reserved slots might be ok, but across the board would be horrible. On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:47 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:45 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:39 Fluffboll wrote:On September 29 2011 08:36 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:20 Dodgin wrote:
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That might actually be the worst idea i've ever heard. Let's force players to change races or remove them because it just so happens that there are a lot of terrans. On September 29 2011 08:20 zeru wrote:
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That's the worst idea ever. On September 29 2011 08:22 Kieofire wrote:
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Yeah bad idea...if you start bringing over people who don't deserve/earn the spot then there will be a huge skill gap and make games way boring. On September 29 2011 08:22 Fluffboll wrote:
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Got to echo the others and say this is the worst idea I've heard in a very long time. Actually its the best idea to fix the situation. The only reason so many terrans win is because everyone plays terran. It's best from an entertainment perspective to allow an equivalent number of best players from each race to play each other. Look how many people said no gsl b/c terrans? It is a horrible idea. If you do this you need to have 8 spots in Code S reserved for Random players too and there are NOT that many good Random players. To simply kick people out of the GSL because they play a certain race no matter if they win or not is just dumb period. You don't have to include random there are 3 races. You wouldn't be kicking people out of the gsl, you'd be removing excess terrans that shouldn't be there in the first place. They deserve to be there because they earned their Code S spots, just handing out Code S spots for more diversity is plain wrong. Why? What people want to see are good players playing all the matchups. If they want their spots they can switch to a race they think they can place in. Forcing people to change races due to popularity or because you can't surpass the top players of your chosen race turns the competition into a farce and game quality is going to fall off really, really fast if players are constantly switching races due to current population balances. That or they'll just go to other tournaments, which again, makes the competitive integrity of GSL a joke. Was about ready to type that. I'll just add that pros might be decent at playing other races but it will take a huge amount of time to be able to compete with the best players in Code S, so what that dude you are quoting is saying is that he would like to see matches that would be more diverse but less fun to watch because of skill gaps. Less fun to watch? Because there are just massive skill gaps in the gsl right? That's why everyone remains in Code S without every falling out right? Where do you get everyone stays in Code S? MarineKing fell out and earned his way back up, Byun fell out and is now in Code B, sC fell out and is now stuck in code A (out of Terran players and many more players from other races fell out also.) Many players from this season will be going to the up&down matches and can lose their spots but that is up to the players from Code A to knock them out. Just because there are so many terran's doesn't mean they don't deserve it they either won their way up from Code A or kept their spot by winning in the up&Down matches.
you should read the guy you quoted again...
EDIT: I don't agree with him... but I can see something like the 6-8 better players of each race (by GSL points) and the other spots are for the other players with no race specific.
code A & S reached a point where the players skills are almost the same, and something like maps, mood and balance, can put a player in code S some day, and not in other day.
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TvT is usually a boring matchup nowadays unless you get the rare game 1 of the last finals. Even Rain vs Boxer Mlg was boring until the 10 second engagement. And bio destroying pure mech is just disappointing.
TvZ is not fun to watch unless the zerg is a tip top player like Nestea. Losira getting double 11-11 made me turn off the Gsl.
PvT is a coinflip and the recent surge of marine/banshee/tank play makes me cut off Sc2 streams. I can lose the same way to the exact same timing on ladder why would I want to watch Huk micro his ass off just to lose to it like everyone else does.
PvZ is terrible to watch as a protoss unless someone like Hero or Sage is playing. Anything else is a waste of time because you already know the games going to turn out. Protoss ffe then gets rolled or the zerg plays like shit and hands the game to protoss by donating 80 roach to 1 colossus.
PvP is sad because protoss is so few and no more Mc domination
ZvZ only if its Nestea is worth watching anymore.
Sc2 is the bigger problem imo then Gsl. Just gets boring to watch after awhile. Me and a few friends just flat out stopped watching/paying for it and are now screwing around on bf3 and waiting for all the new games to come out.
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On September 29 2011 09:17 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 09:11 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 09:00 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:57 Wuster wrote:On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:46 Mylkyjo wrote:
I didn't buy it for the first time this year. I don't have time to keep up with all of it, especially with so many TvTs which tend to be long games.
I would really prefer the GSL to be the Top 10 players of each race + 2 the next two highest ranked players or invitees. I think the diversity would really spice it up and we'd still have at least the 12 top players in Korea. see other people agree, its a perfectly reasonable idea Well he changed your idea which was terrible. Some reserved slots might be ok, but across the board would be horrible. On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:47 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:45 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:39 Fluffboll wrote:On September 29 2011 08:36 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:20 Dodgin wrote:
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That might actually be the worst idea i've ever heard. Let's force players to change races or remove them because it just so happens that there are a lot of terrans. On September 29 2011 08:20 zeru wrote:
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That's the worst idea ever. On September 29 2011 08:22 Kieofire wrote:
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Yeah bad idea...if you start bringing over people who don't deserve/earn the spot then there will be a huge skill gap and make games way boring. On September 29 2011 08:22 Fluffboll wrote:
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Got to echo the others and say this is the worst idea I've heard in a very long time. Actually its the best idea to fix the situation. The only reason so many terrans win is because everyone plays terran. It's best from an entertainment perspective to allow an equivalent number of best players from each race to play each other. Look how many people said no gsl b/c terrans? It is a horrible idea. If you do this you need to have 8 spots in Code S reserved for Random players too and there are NOT that many good Random players. To simply kick people out of the GSL because they play a certain race no matter if they win or not is just dumb period. You don't have to include random there are 3 races. You wouldn't be kicking people out of the gsl, you'd be removing excess terrans that shouldn't be there in the first place. They deserve to be there because they earned their Code S spots, just handing out Code S spots for more diversity is plain wrong. Why? What people want to see are good players playing all the matchups. If they want their spots they can switch to a race they think they can place in. Forcing people to change races due to popularity or because you can't surpass the top players of your chosen race turns the competition into a farce and game quality is going to fall off really, really fast if players are constantly switching races due to current population balances. That or they'll just go to other tournaments, which again, makes the competitive integrity of GSL a joke. Was about ready to type that. I'll just add that pros might be decent at playing other races but it will take a huge amount of time to be able to compete with the best players in Code S, so what that dude you are quoting is saying is that he would like to see matches that would be more diverse but less fun to watch because of skill gaps. Less fun to watch? Because there are just massive skill gaps in the gsl right? That's why everyone remains in Code S without every falling out right? Where do you get everyone stays in Code S? MarineKing fell out and earned his way back up, Byun fell out and is now in Code B, sC fell out and is now stuck in code A (out of Terran players and many more players from other races fell out also.) Many players from this season will be going to the up&down matches and can lose their spots but that is up to the players from Code A to knock them out. Just because there are so many terran's doesn't mean they don't deserve it they either won their way up from Code A or kept their spot by winning in the up&Down matches.
Keiofire you said, "so what that dude you are quoting is saying is that he would like to see matches that would be more diverse but less fun to watch because of skill gaps."
What you are saying in that statement is the zerg and protoss players are much worse than the terrans because of a skill gap.
I'm saying that's not true, the only reason there are so many terrans is because their large numbers grants them an advantage in a game where you can win by chance.
As for what you just said, I was never arguing against that, I think you're just confused.
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I am watching a lot of code A, lot of racial diversity there.
Code A is still the highest level of competition besides code S.
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On September 29 2011 09:23 sc2trainer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 09:17 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 09:11 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 09:00 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:57 Wuster wrote:On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:46 Mylkyjo wrote:
I didn't buy it for the first time this year. I don't have time to keep up with all of it, especially with so many TvTs which tend to be long games.
I would really prefer the GSL to be the Top 10 players of each race + 2 the next two highest ranked players or invitees. I think the diversity would really spice it up and we'd still have at least the 12 top players in Korea. see other people agree, its a perfectly reasonable idea Well he changed your idea which was terrible. Some reserved slots might be ok, but across the board would be horrible. On September 29 2011 08:50 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:47 Kieofire wrote:On September 29 2011 08:45 sc2trainer wrote:On September 29 2011 08:39 Fluffboll wrote:On September 29 2011 08:36 sc2trainer wrote:
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Actually its the best idea to fix the situation.
The only reason so many terrans win is because everyone plays terran.
It's best from an entertainment perspective to allow an equivalent number of best players from each race to play each other.
Look how many people said no gsl b/c terrans?
It is a horrible idea. If you do this you need to have 8 spots in Code S reserved for Random players too and there are NOT that many good Random players. To simply kick people out of the GSL because they play a certain race no matter if they win or not is just dumb period. You don't have to include random there are 3 races. You wouldn't be kicking people out of the gsl, you'd be removing excess terrans that shouldn't be there in the first place. They deserve to be there because they earned their Code S spots, just handing out Code S spots for more diversity is plain wrong. Why? What people want to see are good players playing all the matchups. If they want their spots they can switch to a race they think they can place in. Forcing people to change races due to popularity or because you can't surpass the top players of your chosen race turns the competition into a farce and game quality is going to fall off really, really fast if players are constantly switching races due to current population balances. That or they'll just go to other tournaments, which again, makes the competitive integrity of GSL a joke. Was about ready to type that. I'll just add that pros might be decent at playing other races but it will take a huge amount of time to be able to compete with the best players in Code S, so what that dude you are quoting is saying is that he would like to see matches that would be more diverse but less fun to watch because of skill gaps. Less fun to watch? Because there are just massive skill gaps in the gsl right? That's why everyone remains in Code S without every falling out right? Where do you get everyone stays in Code S? MarineKing fell out and earned his way back up, Byun fell out and is now in Code B, sC fell out and is now stuck in code A (out of Terran players and many more players from other races fell out also.) Many players from this season will be going to the up&down matches and can lose their spots but that is up to the players from Code A to knock them out. Just because there are so many terran's doesn't mean they don't deserve it they either won their way up from Code A or kept their spot by winning in the up&Down matches. Keiofire you said, "so what that dude you are quoting is saying is that he would like to see matches that would be more diverse but less fun to watch because of skill gaps." What you are saying in that statement is the zerg and protoss players are much worse than the terrans because of a skill gap. I'm saying that's not true, the only reason there are so many terrans is because their large numbers grants them an advantage in a game where you can win by chance. As for what you just said, I was never arguing against that, I think you're just confused.
Fair enough I read it differently, but I will stop now everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Edit: But while I don't agree with exactly what you want I would like to see some changes in the format of the GSL to make it more exciting.
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I'd ractually ather watch some real sports competition than a game that is obviously not fair for players who eventually picked the wrong race. Sure, Code A might be diverse, but theres just something wrong if the best of the best are almost exclusively terran for a few months in a row now. It might be a bit more enjoyable (though still a bit shallow from a competitive point of view..) if I enjoyed TvT.
Bad luck for GOM, they're doing an awesome job in principle, and I really liked the first seasons, but theres no way I'm paying to watch a competition that feels fake. its just a sad situation overall.
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First season I didn't buy, I usually watch live and high quality lags like hell, I only bought it before to support the GSL but with the amount of Terrans and such it wasn't worth it for me.
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Im a zerg player and honestly I only watch the games that have Zerg pros in them. I am entertained while learning when I watch zerg pros play but as its been stated before there seem to be a lot more TvT matches and less and less zerg matchs. Also Tastosis hanst been casting as much and the code A casters have been hit and miss. That along with how gom handled the password incident didnt make me feel like buying a ticket this time around and I have bought every season for sc2 to date.
Id also like to point out something Incontrol brought up in SOTG the GSL has a new champion every couple of months. GSL is loosing its excitement theres no build up to the finals and the finals for the most part have been pretty one sided. I think GLS need to change its format I dont really know how they should do it I just know im not being entertained enough to spend my money on a season ticket atm.
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I didn't buy the season, but that's because I never buy the GSL since I can't stay up that late to watch, but assuming I bought it all the time the amount of TvT probably wouldn't deter me from it.
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I only ever bought the Arena of Legends ticket because you had too, if you wanted to watch the games.
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On September 29 2011 01:40 Radook wrote:
Would buy any GSL when they start accepting credticard over just PayPal.
They already did. I've never used PayPal to buy a pass and I've been watching since open season 1.
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Personally, I don't mind the racial disparity.
TvT and TvZ are my favorite matchups to watch, and there's been plenty of both. Protoss just aren't usually enjoyable to watch for me. They can't really harass consistently because of the high cost of their units, and they don't really have any units that can effectively control space past the point in the game where sentries can do so. As a result, games including Protoss rarely turn on chess-like positional advantages or superior multitasking; instead, they depend more on which player has the better unit composition and who micros more effectively. I find that style of play less strategic and less interesting to watch, especially in longer games. Hopefully the upcoming expansion will help add more strategic depth to Protoss play so that those games are more enjoyable for me as a spectator, but until then I'll stick with GomTvT.
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I bought the ticket, I just skip TvTs with players I don't care about. Following everything Ro8 on though.
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On September 29 2011 09:43 wolfe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 01:40 Radook wrote:
Would buy any GSL when they start accepting credticard over just PayPal.
They already did. I've never used PayPal to buy a pass and I've been watching since open season 1.
What? Where? How? ;o
I tried buying a GSL pass twice over the time and both times it led me to PayPal. I just tried it again and it's the same thing.
How do you do it?
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Missing Yes choice in the poll option....................
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Canada13389 Posts
I got it to watch code a and wcg vods. If it wasnt for the WCG vods I wouldnt have all the seasons purchased as i do now. Code S is not that interesting to me though.
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i cant say that tvt is my favorite matchup, but its not enough to completely not watch gsl. i do root for the protoss and zerg in every matchup though. =)
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