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Khanz
France214 Posts
It's pretty clear there was some sort of pressure, how on earth would he change his mind this quick ? I am GLAD we have this kind of law in France and this is totally logical to me. I'm quite sure two out of three people here would have lost his mind in front of "that much money", come on :/ I will support Stephano whatever happens. GoGo Power Rangers ! | ||
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BioGenie
Singapore10 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
If some sc2 players were getting this kind salary you'd see more occurence of esports in the medias so yeah they prolly don't make that much -_-; | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On September 20 2011 16:39 michielbrands wrote: The reason is not money or time... It's all about Moral. coL is one of the leading teams in esports. They want proffesionalism and one aspect of that is to respect a contract! -_- They're not really a leading team. Sure they want him to honor the contract, but they probably won't win in the end. Sue him and all he has to do is ask his current team to delay salary or cancel the contract and make good on it later. I think he should respect the contract, but what they don't want is to waste time evaluating a player boosting his salary in a bidding war only to find out that player has loyalty elsewhere. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
And dont talk about stephano getting misinformed by tricky sentences or grammar...... He is 18 and should know how to read. Dont act like he is a 10-year-old kid. At his age he should be fully responsible for hsi actions. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On September 20 2011 16:57 MasterReY wrote: I really hope complexity sues stephano over this, not because i dont like stephano or i want complexity to get money etc., but as a statement to esports that contracts have to be respected in order to get a bit professionalism in this. And dont talk about stephano getting misinformed by tricky sentences or grammar...... He is 18 and should know how to read. Dont act like he is a 10-year-old kid. At his age he should be fully responsible for hsi actions. And what if the contract DIDN'T fullfill all the requirements and was in fact quite aweful? How come people can say stuff like "They should sue him" when they have no idea what the contract said or what really happened? All we have are two teams who both do PR, one saying the contract isn't valid and one saying it probably is. How fucking hard can it be to wait and see? | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
On September 20 2011 16:25 Xouh wrote: Anyway, I'm not a law-student, but if Stephano don't sign the contract, their is no legal procedings. No signature, no decision. Am I wrong ? In one word, yes | ||
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Sandro
897 Posts
On September 20 2011 17:04 karpo wrote: And what if the contract DIDN'T fullfill all the requirements and was in fact quite aweful? How come people can say stuff like "They should sue him" when they have no idea what the contract said or what really happened? All we have are two teams who both do PR, one saying the contract isn't valid and one saying it probably is. How fucking hard can it be to wait and see? Short of the entire contract being made public, we will never know. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On September 20 2011 16:24 johnprospekt wrote: http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/151/jang-min-chul MC has made 210,000 dollars in Tournament winnings in his StarCraft II career. That isn't a quarter million. Additionally, last year MC made about $90,000 from tournament winnings, and HuK said 'last year'. From the interview it sounds like he's talking about salary. Regardless, this is getting really off topic. My point was that I was surprised that Stephano didn't unhold his CoL deal as i would imagine they can offer better financial support. Huk is not talking about salary for MC. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On September 20 2011 17:07 Sandro wrote: Short of the entire contract being made public, we will never know. Ok so why bother making stupid suggestions when all the facts will never be presented? I really don't understand the TL community when it comes to drama. They bandwagon like crazy, make up scenarios based on a few hundred words of PR and overall go apeshit when they have practically nothing to go on. | ||
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BrahCJ
Australia659 Posts
While signing they also managed to talk me into a "Car protection program' which would warrant my car against a whole long list of things. After signing and walking out, I was told that the majority of problems cars will have are "wear and tear" and that none of those would be covered. I fought the contact, and lost, and paid for the protection program that I never used/wanted/needed. Then I took this lesson into the next car I bought, and had a big "fuck you" ready for the next dealer when they offered me the same scheme. At 18 life is about lessons. Complexity need to push the issue here to send the message home to not only Stephano but also any other young, impressionable players. | ||
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benKrO71
France65 Posts
It is a pity to see that people are interested in the team millenium when it is about an absurd drama (see the size of the topics). On the other hand when Mill organizes a online tournaments (which takes place today), nobody seems Interested... Nevertheless the invited players are the best in europe thorzain, whitera, stephano , nerchio etc (all the top EU ) ... and just 18 reply in the post : s pathetic http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265710 The game seems not thus any more the main subject of this forum ... | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
On September 20 2011 17:12 BrahCJ wrote: At 18 life is about lessons. Complexity need to push the issue here to send the message home to not only Stephano but also any other young, impressionable players. And what exactly is the message ? Do you really think that it will help them recruit new players ? Not to mention, the message sent when they loose in court. And Millenium team after studying the contract don't seem to have the slightest doubt on the issue of such a trial. | ||
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Denar
France1633 Posts
This is also a moral rule that has caused drama in the past (PuMa is the most obvious example). If coL doesn't follow the moral rules (and not contacting the team that the player is playing for is sneaky), then the legal rules are what's left. The conclusion of this story though is that many teams agree on the beast potential Stephano has, let's hope this is not wasted and that we'll see him competing at the best level! | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1358 Posts
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TrollNoob
France1 Post
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On September 20 2011 17:19 Denar wrote: Complexity should have contacted Millenium directly while they were going after Stephano. This is also a moral rule that has caused drama in the past (PuMa is the most obvious example). If coL doesn't follow the moral rules (and not contacting the team that the player is playing for is sneaky), then the legal rules are what's left. The conclusion of this story though is that many teams agree on the beast potential Stephano has, let's hope this is not wasted and that we'll see him competing at the best level! hah... iirc weren't Col and Millenium in a bidding war for Stephano? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Horseballs
United States721 Posts
On September 20 2011 17:04 karpo wrote: And what if the contract DIDN'T fullfill all the requirements and was in fact quite aweful? How come people can say stuff like "They should sue him" when they have no idea what the contract said or what really happened? All we have are two teams who both do PR, one saying the contract isn't valid and one saying it probably is. How fucking hard can it be to wait and see? If the contract is undesirable in any way, then he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. Who goes ahead and signs a contract, especially one as significant as this one without thoroughly going it over? Hell, I'd even get some legal advice on it. A contract is a contract and he broke it. | ||
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