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On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote: HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.
None of this was ever said.
edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits
Seriously all this stuff about OMG they made him sign at like 3am. WTF are you kidding? You mean if I randomly called up people in the middle of the night I can get them to sign contracts SOUNDS GOOD. And what's this stuff about pressure, not like anybody was there threatening him or twisting his arm. Most likely Col was just like this is a great opportunity, make sure you understand everything we have to offer etc and Millenium just got upset they got passed over when they couldn't match the better offer and then decided to guilt Stephano into re-signing. When you make a decision you take responsibility for it, please don't try to make excuses for this kid.
On September 20 2011 15:44 sk1nex wrote: I can't just sign a new work contract and suddenly stop going to work. I would be violating the terms of the contract. That's just the way it goes, context of eSports doesn't change it.
You can break a contract when you want for no reason 7 days after signing in France.
Theres something fishy about this, how'd they get a copy of the signed contract immediately? Wouldn't postage alone take a few days? Are we to assume that after countless negotiations Stephano, upon agreeing at 4am (10pm EST, 7pm PST), was able to get a properly doctored document with the correct changes to suit his needs. Where exactly did they find a contract writing lawyer to do this at 10pm? How'd they do it instantly after he messaged them and agreed? How did they receive the signed contract, documented proof, that they could go ahead with their announcements?
On September 20 2011 15:44 sk1nex wrote: I can't just sign a new work contract and suddenly stop going to work. I would be violating the terms of the contract. That's just the way it goes, context of eSports doesn't change it.
You can break a contract when you want for no reason 7 days after signing in France.
You can break a French labor contract. Jason Lake has stated that this is not a standard labor contract. Also, this is an American company, which means that it is international law, not French law.
On September 20 2011 15:44 sk1nex wrote: I can't just sign a new work contract and suddenly stop going to work. I would be violating the terms of the contract. That's just the way it goes, context of eSports doesn't change it.
You can break a contract when you want for no reason 7 days after signing in France.
You can break a French labor contract. Jason Lake has stated that this is not a standard labor contract. Also, this is an American company, which means that it is international law, not French law.
This is the kind of thing I meant - not sure if there was a trial period of some sort. IF there would be one, i believe Complexity wouldn't consider taking this issue further.
On September 20 2011 15:49 Holcan wrote: Theres something fishy about this, how'd they get a copy of the signed contract immediately? Wouldn't postage alone take a few days? Are we to assume that after countless negotiations Stephano, upon agreeing at 4am (10pm EST, 7pm PST), was able to get a properly doctored document with the correct changes to suit his needs. Where exactly did they find a contract writing lawyer to do this at 10pm? How'd they do it instantly after he messaged them and agreed? How did they receive the signed contract, documented proof, that they could go ahead with their announcements?
You can sign contracts online through various sites. I believe the used docusign.com as it was said earlier in this thread. The contract was given to him like three weeks ago too.
On September 20 2011 15:49 Holcan wrote: Theres something fishy about this, how'd they get a copy of the signed contract immediately? Wouldn't postage alone take a few days? Are we to assume that after countless negotiations Stephano, upon agreeing at 4am (10pm EST, 7pm PST), was able to get a properly doctored document with the correct changes to suit his needs. Where exactly did they find a contract writing lawyer to do this at 10pm? How'd they do it instantly after he messaged them and agreed? How did they receive the signed contract, documented proof, that they could go ahead with their announcements?
You can sign contracts online through various sites. I believe the used docusign.com as it was said earlier in this thread. The contract was given to him like three weeks ago too.
How can it be negotiations if they were giving him the same contract continuously?
2- Millenium and Complexity were in a bidding war for Stephano, but never pressured him into signing with them.
Obviously there had to be alteration to the original contract at some point, are we to assume that coL was re-writing the contract every time they proposed a new offer? Or is it more logical to only pay a lawyer to re-write your contract once coming to a finalized deal? :x
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote: HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.
On September 20 2011 15:49 Holcan wrote: Theres something fishy about this, how'd they get a copy of the signed contract immediately? Wouldn't postage alone take a few days? Are we to assume that after countless negotiations Stephano, upon agreeing at 4am (10pm EST, 7pm PST), was able to get a properly doctored document with the correct changes to suit his needs. Where exactly did they find a contract writing lawyer to do this at 10pm? How'd they do it instantly after he messaged them and agreed? How did they receive the signed contract, documented proof, that they could go ahead with their announcements?
You can sign contracts online through various sites. I believe the used docusign.com as it was said earlier in this thread. The contract was given to him like three weeks ago too.
How can it be negotiations if they were giving him the same contract continuously?
2- Millenium and Complexity were in a bidding war for Stephano, but never pressured him into signing with them.
Obviously there had to be alteration to the original contract at some point, are we to assume that coL was re-writing the contract every time they proposed a new offer? Or is it more logical to only pay a lawyer to re-write your contract once coming to a finalized deal? :x
Ok they were increasing the benefits for Stephano, but thats all that really would change in the contract. They wouldn't need to completely rewrite the whole contract. And just because Stephano agreed to it at that time, doesn't mean thats when the contract he signed was given to him. He could have sat on it for a few days.
What seems strange to me, is that people feel confused by this story. Doesn't it looks like what happens all the time in "non-e"sports during transfer windows?
Anyway, it sounds quite fair to me that a player should owe some time to his "mother team".
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote: HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.
Could you post a source on all of this?
I never heard that MC gets 250k...
No one has. MC doesn't make Flash money. And I don't remember Idra ever saying that he gets above $100,000k. The guy is just making it up.
I just don't Know where did you studied law, What do you call international law, such a thing doesn't clearly exist... For me the argument that you have to use american law because CoL is an American company is bullshit, and it's the same regarding the argument that stephano is french so you have to use french law.
What determine the law to apply is the fact that stephano live in France, so the contract vas to made regarding french laws. DO YOU REALLY THINK NIKE APPLY US LAWS WHEN USE CHINESE SLAVES TO MAKE YOUR SHOES ?
and yes in France you can break a contract soon after signing it but only if you didn't start to work... and you would really enjoy this part of french law you buy a House and learn 3 days later that they're building a fucking huge airport right Next to it ( true story ^^) A comparaison betwen this situation and huk situation is clearly a non sense
he hasn't even done anything for the team yet, going after him would be childish. it would just waste time and cause a lot of resentment. many players in esports are really young/immature and if you're going to contract them you should probably tread lightly because you're dealing with 60% of a real human being. this is the same reason i gave sixjax shit for threatening major and his mom... it's like hitting a cripple.
I think we are witnessing a difference in mindset. complexity on their side believe with a contract they own the player and his soul, thus it is not possible to brake the contract. how naive a point of view in my opinion. Neither google nor facebook have ever broken a contract, for sure... ^^
Interesting situation, lots of esports drama these past few months I say, Stephano is at fault here, but I am still not fully certain what it going on on the French side of the law and what not
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote: HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.
None of this was ever said.
edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits
Could you post a source on all of this?
I never heard that MC gets 250k...
Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:
(The video is copied from when they start talking about salaries)
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote: HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.
None of this was ever said.
edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits
Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote: HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.
None of this was ever said.
edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits
Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:
The rumours about Huk's salary being six figures were leaked from someone close to it, and it is a rumour with some credibility. Given the large amount of foreign sponsor money it's not surprising that one of the best and most marketable players in the world could wrangle a six figure deal.
HOWEVER, he implied that he was among the top salarywise - but he indicated that including prize money he wasn't among the highest pointing out Min Chul as an example of someone who got 250k in a year because of his massive tournament winnings.
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote: HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.
None of this was ever said.
edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits
Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:
EPT
