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Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
September 20 2011 07:22 GMT
#2561
On September 20 2011 16:17 johnprospekt wrote:
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On September 20 2011 15:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote:
HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.

None of this was ever said.

edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits


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Could you post a source on all of this?

I never heard that MC gets 250k...


Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:

(The video is copied from when they start talking about salaries)
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BS... he said OBVIOUSLY which means everyone knows he made that much. In other words it's only from tournaments winnings.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 20 2011 07:23 GMT
#2562
On September 20 2011 16:17 johnprospekt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 15:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote:
HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.

None of this was ever said.

edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits


Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:

(The video is copied from when they start talking about salaries) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwrrJ4VZ5o&feature=player_detailpage#t=629s

You misunderstood what Huk said. Huk was saying he believes he is one of the highest paid players off of just salary, but if you include winnings he probably isn't because MC earned around a quarter of a million dollars due to tournament winnings. MC does not have a $250k salary. Hell oGs players all together probably don't make $250k in salary. There isn't much money in Korean sc2 teams
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 07:24:09
September 20 2011 07:23 GMT
#2563
On September 20 2011 16:17 johnprospekt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 15:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote:
HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.

None of this was ever said.

edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits


Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:

(The video is copied from when they start talking about salaries) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwrrJ4VZ5o&feature=player_detailpage#t=629s


I think you're misinterpreting him. Huk is saying, "a guy like MC made a quarter million last year, but in terms of salary, I'm a top 3 earner in the world."

He's talking about MC's total winnings.

IdrA signed his contract in the first season of GSL, just after the Beta ended. I'd be stunned if EG signed him to a 6-figure contract before SC2 had even established itself as a major e-sport. If you included room and board, maybe the contracts overall value is higher than 6-figures, but in terms of salary ...



Animism
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 07:26:44
September 20 2011 07:24 GMT
#2564
On September 20 2011 16:19 Baituri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 16:17 johnprospekt wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote:
HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.

None of this was ever said.

edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits


Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:

(The video is copied from when they start talking about salaries) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwrrJ4VZ5o&feature=player_detailpage#t=629s

No he said he made 250k in prize money. 2x GSL and foreign tournaments.


http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/151/jang-min-chul

MC has made 210,000 dollars in Tournament winnings in his StarCraft II career. That isn't a quarter million. Additionally, last year MC made about $90,000 from tournament winnings, and HuK said 'last year'. From the interview it sounds like he's talking about salary.

Regardless, this is getting really off topic. My point was that I was surprised that Stephano didn't unhold his CoL deal as i would imagine they can offer better financial support.
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 20 2011 07:25 GMT
#2565
Has there been any new developments so far?
Xouh
Profile Joined April 2010
France26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 07:26:06
September 20 2011 07:25 GMT
#2566
Anyway, I'm not a law-student, but if Stephano don't sign the contract, their is no legal procedings. No signature, no decision. Am I wrong ?
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 20 2011 07:25 GMT
#2567
On September 20 2011 16:24 johnprospekt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 16:19 Baituri wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:17 johnprospekt wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote:
HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.

None of this was ever said.

edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits


Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:

(The video is copied from when they start talking about salaries) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwrrJ4VZ5o&feature=player_detailpage#t=629s

No he said he made 250k in prize money. 2x GSL and foreign tournaments.


http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/151/jang-min-chul

MC has made 210,000 dollars in Tournament winnings in his StarCraft II career. That isn't a quarter million. Additionally, last year MC made about $90,000 from tournament winnings, and HuK said 'last year'. I'm pretty sure they he is talking about Salary.


If OGS could afford to pay a single player $250,000, their entire team would be playing in the NASL right now. It simply does not make sense.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 20 2011 07:27 GMT
#2568
On September 20 2011 16:24 johnprospekt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 16:19 Baituri wrote:
On September 20 2011 16:17 johnprospekt wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote:
HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.

None of this was ever said.

edit: except the rumors about Huk's salary being 6 digits


Here is an interview where HuK talks about him being in the top 3 highest paid salaries in the world, also mentions that Min Chul (oGsMC) made a quarter million dollars in salary last year:

(The video is copied from when they start talking about salaries) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwrrJ4VZ5o&feature=player_detailpage#t=629s

No he said he made 250k in prize money. 2x GSL and foreign tournaments.


http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/151/jang-min-chul

MC has made 210,000 dollars in Tournament winnings in his StarCraft II career. That isn't a quarter million. Additionally, last year MC made about $90,000 from tournament winnings, and HuK said 'last year'. I'm pretty sure they he is talking about Salary.

No he's not. In the year that sc2 has been out, he has won the $210k like you said. Don't look at calendar year. And Huk wasn't giving a specific amount as he doesn't know the exact numbers MC makes, he just gave the ball park, which is roughly a quarter of a million dollars. So even if MC made $250k in winnings plus salary, his salary would be 40k, which I doubt its that high.
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ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
September 20 2011 07:28 GMT
#2569
I hope this won't slander the player. These teams are "suppose" to be good at making their side look awesome, they write with very good grammar and can angle it as they want.

As long as Stephano comes out without too much "crap" I'm happy =]

Even EG managed to have Huk leave, so interesting to know what they are actually offering them.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
September 20 2011 07:28 GMT
#2570
On September 20 2011 16:08 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 16:04 SedativeDev wrote:
On September 20 2011 15:43 johnprospekt wrote:
HuK said at in interview @ IEM (Cologne i think) that oGsMC has a salary of $250,000. Idra has said on State of the game that his Salary is above $100,000 and it was rumored that HuK was offered 6 digits from EG when they picked him up. I really wouldn't be surprised if Stephano was offered around 100,000 from Complexity, looking at their sponsor list.


Could you post a source on all of this?

I never heard that MC gets 250k...

No one has. MC doesn't make Flash money. And I don't remember Idra ever saying that he gets above $100,000k. The guy is just making it up.


The guy is making it up. MC has *made* nearly 200k. That isn't his salary.

Idra's salary has never been publicly stated, but the rumors put it in the 50-60k range. People were throwing out that Huk's was around 100k, but no one (minus InControl, apparently) knows most of the details.

Stephano stood to make really good money, given his generally considered talent and finishing normal schooling, he has the ability to get a lot better. I could see a contract between 35 to 50k that was sent his way (some compensation might have been in foreign travel).
TheVector
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
September 20 2011 07:31 GMT
#2571
What would complexity sue for? Even if they can get him on breaching his contract what damages do they have?

Complexity should just drop it and wish him the best of luck. If they want him to do well they should let him live with his decision.
Never attribute to malice which can be explained by stupidity. -Heinlein's Razor
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1600 Posts
September 20 2011 07:33 GMT
#2572
On September 20 2011 16:31 TheVector wrote:
What would complexity sue for? Even if they can get him on breaching his contract what damages do they have?

Complexity should just drop it and wish him the best of luck. If they want him to do well they should let him live with his decision.


Time and resources invested in recruiting the player.
I don't know of him though.
sk1nex
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland299 Posts
September 20 2011 07:35 GMT
#2573
On September 20 2011 16:31 TheVector wrote:
What would complexity sue for? Even if they can get him on breaching his contract what damages do they have?

Complexity should just drop it and wish him the best of luck. If they want him to do well they should let him live with his decision.


First and foremost i'd say its a matter of principle to Complexity. Jason Lake has always seemed like the kind of guy who doesn't let himself being pushed around like this.
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 20 2011 07:37 GMT
#2574
The highest Starcraft salary in the world is currently 250k, and that's Flash. In other words, it is completely unreasonable for MC to make that much. Make no mistake from what HuK said, it's just tourney winnings.

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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 20 2011 07:39 GMT
#2575
On September 20 2011 16:35 sk1nex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 16:31 TheVector wrote:
What would complexity sue for? Even if they can get him on breaching his contract what damages do they have?

Complexity should just drop it and wish him the best of luck. If they want him to do well they should let him live with his decision.


First and foremost i'd say its a matter of principle to Complexity. Jason Lake has always seemed like the kind of guy who doesn't let himself being pushed around like this.

exactly. this isn't about complexity getting money or anything, its about setting a precedent in the esports world that signing contracts actually means something and that players and teams need to respect these contracts.
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hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
September 20 2011 07:39 GMT
#2576
On September 20 2011 16:28 ImDrizzt wrote:
I hope this won't slander the player. These teams are "suppose" to be good at making their side look awesome, they write with very good grammar and can angle it as they want.


Indeed... And Stephano really looks like a naive young man ...
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
September 20 2011 07:39 GMT
#2577
On September 20 2011 16:31 TheVector wrote:
What would complexity sue for? Even if they can get him on breaching his contract what damages do they have?

Complexity should just drop it and wish him the best of luck. If they want him to do well they should let him live with his decision.


Letting this pass not only with Destiny but now with Stephano as well would put complexity in a bad light I think, if these 2 can, why can't anyone who joins complexity just not honor their contracts. It has to stop somewhere.

I think complexity needs to do this.
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michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
September 20 2011 07:39 GMT
#2578
On September 20 2011 16:33 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 16:31 TheVector wrote:
What would complexity sue for? Even if they can get him on breaching his contract what damages do they have?

Complexity should just drop it and wish him the best of luck. If they want him to do well they should let him live with his decision.


Time and resources invested in recruiting the player.
I don't know of him though.


The reason is not money or time... It's all about Moral. coL is one of the leading teams in esports. They want proffesionalism and one aspect of that is to respect a contract!
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 20 2011 07:40 GMT
#2579
OGS.MC is not on a 250k salary. Huk's statement was regarding MC's tournament winnings.
ggahSoO
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States191 Posts
September 20 2011 07:47 GMT
#2580
On September 20 2011 16:40 Kennigit wrote:
OGS.MC is not on a 250k salary. Huk's statement was regarding MC's tournament winnings.


Thank you for silencing the misinformed, Kennigit.
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