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ArkSC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
128 Posts
February 11 2012 18:43 GMT
#1141
Way to much math really takes the meaning out of this.
Creator, Maru, MKP, Illusion, DeMuslim, MVP, Thorzain. ♥
Mafs
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada458 Posts
February 11 2012 18:45 GMT
#1142
On February 08 2012 13:49 MaverickSC wrote:
Is this accurate? I keep getting an SQ of 95 but I doubt my macro is near as well as Idra's. I float 1k during big fights too

EDIT: I'm 1k master

Your Terran right? Mules make your SQ inflated by a bit. Everyone floats 1k during big fights and once your maxed it makes it lower.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
February 11 2012 18:47 GMT
#1143
This was also done on Sept 17th. Id love for the OP to do the same thing for the next MLG Winter Arena, see how far the game has come along.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 12 2012 14:00 GMT
#1144
I didn't check my average, it's probably very terrible. But I'm plat and got a 90,5 in the last ZvT I played! So happy. :')
maru lover forever
UmbraaeternuS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile476 Posts
February 12 2012 14:16 GMT
#1145
I'm masters and as an average I've gotten a 93.5 in my last 15 games. Still I float over 1.5K on huge engagements...
therealwinters - Skype / @DrUmbra - Twitter // "There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love" - Sean "Day[9]" Plott <3
Proof.
Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
February 12 2012 16:12 GMT
#1146
On November 02 2011 10:14 Dhalphir wrote:
I suppose, I really shouldn't be too angry at you for developing this. Its a useful tool in the right context. My concern is just that its being promoted (and used) as a catchall by shitty players looking to find excuses to claim they aren't shitty.

I just want people to say "yes, I am in Gold. I am a Gold level player, I am not convinced that I'm a Diamond level player in disguise, I'm just plain Gold level and I suck, and I want to get better.

There is no such thing as "I play at a Diamond level but I'm stuck in Silver because I get cheesed a lot". Nope, you're just plain ol' Silver.

And this SQ number gives them another number to hide behind like the idiots they are. And it makes me angry.

This is exactly what I was thinking as I read some of the responses in this thread. Although, it's nothing to get angry over if it gives people the feeling that they are getting better (as opposed to giving people the feeling that they ARE better than they think, which is what you were ticked off about).
He who has a why to live can bear almost any how
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 12 2012 16:35 GMT
#1147
On February 13 2012 01:12 Proof. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 10:14 Dhalphir wrote:
I suppose, I really shouldn't be too angry at you for developing this. Its a useful tool in the right context. My concern is just that its being promoted (and used) as a catchall by shitty players looking to find excuses to claim they aren't shitty.

I just want people to say "yes, I am in Gold. I am a Gold level player, I am not convinced that I'm a Diamond level player in disguise, I'm just plain Gold level and I suck, and I want to get better.

There is no such thing as "I play at a Diamond level but I'm stuck in Silver because I get cheesed a lot". Nope, you're just plain ol' Silver.

And this SQ number gives them another number to hide behind like the idiots they are. And it makes me angry.

This is exactly what I was thinking as I read some of the responses in this thread. Although, it's nothing to get angry over if it gives people the feeling that they are getting better (as opposed to giving people the feeling that they ARE better than they think, which is what you were ticked off about).


I think people use this (or at least they should) use this as a way to measure how good they are at macro. At least I do.

In SC2, macro is important, but you can't rely on macro alone to win games. Macro is only one aspect of the game. Having good game knowledge, multitasking, micro and all of that is just as important as macro (arguably micro and multitasking is more important at higher levels). So a silver player with good macro is probably in silver because he's incompetent at reading his opponent and always reacts poorly. A silver player might also get a higher score than a Plat player because he has no multitasking or micro to do.

People should use this as a way to measure how good one aspect of their game is, that aspect being macro. People shouldn't use this as a way to measure skill as the measurement is quite incomplete. But the measurement seems pretty good for determining how good someone is at managing econ.
maru lover forever
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1797 Posts
February 12 2012 17:40 GMT
#1148
This basically confirmed that my decision making is absolutely terrible. Looking at my latest 10 games, my SQ is about 85-90 average. And I am mid/somewhat high masters. Appearantly my spending is on the level of a grandmaster level player (and quite far up in that league), so i guess i should really practice decision making...
Hickorynut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States31 Posts
February 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#1149
People also need to realize that if you over make production structures it becomes very easy to inflate your SQ. If you have abnormally high SQ for your league, you may want to check this.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
February 19 2012 01:08 GMT
#1150
Wow. Amazing thread.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
B34ST
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom150 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 23:45:32
February 20 2012 23:06 GMT
#1151
This is great! Worrying how I've gone from a SQ of 75 to 65 -.- how does one drop a league?!
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
March 02 2012 10:12 GMT
#1152
Awesome, thanks for this.

According to my scores for the last 63 games (>600 income) I don't fit your table.
My average is 49. That would place me between Silver and Gold.

I'm in Platinum though. How do I interpret this? Would it mean my macro sucks hard below my league average, but I'm above average on my decision making?

sayu
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany5 Posts
March 02 2012 14:03 GMT
#1153
On February 12 2012 03:43 Overlord17 wrote:
Way to much math really takes the meaning out of this.

all you have to do is copy the equation to wolframalpha and put in the numbers for I and U respectively. copy paste each result in a notepad. when you have as many as you want, copy them again into wolframalpha, seperating them by "+"-sings. copy paste the result of that into wolframalpha again, put a "/" after it, count the numbers of results from the equation you collected and put it after the "/". you have to do NO math at all yourself(counting a couple numbers isn't math, right?).
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 16:58:13
March 05 2012 16:58 GMT
#1154
K, I traced 120 games now, I'm pretty much around 50 SQ, yet in Platinum. Your stats show my Macro fits between silver & gold.

Could it be that in the last 6 months since this article the level of play has changed? I've been in Diamond in the first two seasons. Now I"m not even top-platinum (jumped back in last week of season 5). My SQ in my diamond days seems also around 50
M1cha84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany64 Posts
March 05 2012 17:08 GMT
#1155
I recorded my last 50 games and I have a SQ of 72. I am EU Master (low), so the Stats still seem to be correct!
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
March 05 2012 17:37 GMT
#1156
Nice thread , we can all see how much we suck playing SC2 !

Particularly like the GM league level and the EG.Idra level .. Its like the final boss..
ja foste
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
March 05 2012 18:55 GMT
#1157
On March 06 2012 01:58 Gulzt wrote:
K, I traced 120 games now, I'm pretty much around 50 SQ, yet in Platinum. Your stats show my Macro fits between silver & gold.

Could it be that in the last 6 months since this article the level of play has changed? I've been in Diamond in the first two seasons. Now I"m not even top-platinum (jumped back in last week of season 5). My SQ in my diamond days seems also around 50
This implies that your macro is what's holding you back, but you make up for it with a combination of scouting, game sense and/or micro.

Those who have SQs above their leagues should probably look into those other things to improve.

Imho, SQ is only useful if you play an adaptative macro game. If you tend to go for 2 base timings or strong 3base pushes without deviating much, obviously your SQ will look good, but that's because adapting your macro to the situation is simply harder than following a recipe.
Hertzy
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland355 Posts
March 05 2012 19:19 GMT
#1158
I'm stating the obvious here, but 0.00137*I in the formula is within 0.01% of I/730. So, if you want an easier-to-remember formula, it's SQ=35*(I/730-ln(U))+240.
My dotabuff: http://dotabuff.com/players/94774350
insearchof
Profile Joined July 2011
United States57 Posts
March 05 2012 19:50 GMT
#1159
macro is the easy part, its throwing away your terran 200/200 bio to colossi and storms thats the hard part
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
Brandish
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States339 Posts
March 05 2012 19:54 GMT
#1160
I feel like in longer macro games this would matter less because you are banking minerals when you are maxed and looking for positioning right?
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