EPTBut I still feel there is something up, since hes averaging an SQ equivalent to IdrA
Do you macro like a pro? - Page 55
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
But I still feel there is something up, since hes averaging an SQ equivalent to IdrA | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
Is the money being spent on the right things, is he actually expanding enough, remembering to produce peons, hitting all his supply buildings on time, controlling his army well while spending his money? etc. etc. etc. SQ is the equivalent to APM in that way. You have no idea if the actual spending/actions being measured are the correct ones. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:35 Nemireck wrote: You can't just say "Oh, his SQ is the same as X pro player's, something must be up because he's not in GM." It's not that simple. Is the money being spent on the right things, is he actually expanding enough, remembering to produce peons, hitting all his supply buildings on time, controlling his army well while spending his money? etc. etc. etc. SQ is the equivalent to APM in that way. You have no idea if the actual spending/actions being measured are the correct ones. No it certainly isn't like APM. A high SQ indicates that he is hitting his supply depos and spending his money very well. Yes, the only other situation I can think of is that he stays on one base for a long time and expands very late. I've played enough ladder games to know that if I could macro as well as Idra then I could easily make it into Masters with terrible micro and decision making......mostly because I'm already in Masters and I consider my self to have poor macro/micro and decision making lol | ||
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Eichhorn
Germany7 Posts
a) It's true that I'm not expanding enough or using my macro to apply pressure to my enemy. Therefore, I sometimes find myself in situations, where I'm able to macro as good against an enemy with more bases, but then lag behind when it comes to remaxing after engagements. ( however, I'm at least always staying on 2 bases +, never onebase ) b) I might have to invest more in updates and higher-tier units. As I said, it's been some time since I last played, but I guess I was at least on the verge of becoming gold. I have loses, where I have like 700 unspent 1800 average ressource collection, which isn't all that bad...guess I was just searching for some encouragement to play again.  At least Spending-Quotient-wise I feel, like I have the potential to get at least to plat-diamond...guess I'll just have to play more ( and overcome ladder anxiety ;< ). ( APM was around 85 as Terran, but that was before the patch ) | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:45 L3g3nd_ wrote: good macro doesnt make you near GM level, macro is just one small part of the game, it takes doing every single thing well to get into masters or GM, you cant just have good macro and bad decision making/micro, you have to do everything this You can have all the macro in the world, if you engage badly it won't matter | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:40 Dommk wrote: No it certainly isn't like APM. A high SQ indicates that he is hitting his supply depos and spending his money very well. Yes, the only other situation I can think of is that he stays on one base for a long time and expands very late. I've played enough ladder games to know that if I could macro as well as Idra then I could easily make it into Masters with terrible micro and decision making......mostly because I'm already in Masters and I consider my self to have poor macro/micro and decision making lol No, a high SQ could also mean that he's getting supply blocked and spending his money on buildings while he waits to get unblocked. The relative usefulness of the SQ calculation without context is almost exactly the same as APM measurements. You don't understand what you're talking about. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:40 Dommk wrote: No it certainly isn't like APM. A high SQ indicates that he is hitting his supply depos and spending his money very well. That's wrong. SQ doesn't indicate how you macro, all it does is measure if you keep your money low. Goody had in the survey an average SQ of 95. Nothing personal against him, but his mechanics / macro are/is bad, his facotries are fully queued, he's 2 minutes supply blocked and so on. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:16 Eichhorn wrote: Well, I've already stated that I know that Yabot doesn't matter that much. Still, even though I lose nearly 50% of my games, I maintain a SQ of about 85 in silver ladder games...my macro already seems to be quite good, so other factors have to be the reason I lose. ( already had some speculations there @ decision-making/micro/scouting ) Link a replay and we'll tell you what's wrong. Make sure it's a 3+ base 200/200 20 minute game  | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On December 19 2011 16:08 Nemireck wrote: No, a high SQ could also mean that he's getting supply blocked and spending his money on buildings while he waits to get unblocked. The relative usefulness of the SQ calculation without context is almost exactly the same as APM measurements. You don't understand what you're talking about. Maybe on one base. Spending money on buildings when supply blocked (at last at 2+ bases) does NOT keep your resources low, mostly because you tend to either float minerals and/or gas for sometime after a supply block. The unspent minerals eventually get spent after the additional production kicks in. I only play Protoss/Zerg, but you don't ever see a Protoss make an additional robotics just because they got supply capped, it just doesn't work that way. (Maybe in very late game situations or they are really desperate for Colossus). I don't play Terran so I'm not quite familiar with how queuing on average helps keep your SQ low, but if the above poster is true about Goody maintaining a SQ of 95 then I guess things like supply blocks don't phase Terran as much as Protoss or Zerg when it comes to expenditure | ||
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
- That my average is a little higher than where you expect! - Games where I lose are some 20 points higher than games where I win, putting me in 'idra' level. - The longer the game, the more likely that I win. The most hilarious example is a game I won where my SQ is 42, and a game I lost where I am at 87. This implies to me that the SQ only really can be measured in games where your opponent GGs, where you are constantly trading armies and where you immediately go for the killing blow upon being maxed instead of trying to starve your opponent to death. Because of this its pretty much not useful for categorizing how good your play is; strategy is far more important than can be accounted for by averaging. | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
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Keyboard Warrior
United States1178 Posts
Great writeup. Thank you for the effort | ||
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Happylime
United States133 Posts
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Hydrox911
United Kingdom261 Posts
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pulpSC
United States31 Posts
On December 21 2011 11:21 Hydrox911 wrote: Just wondering on the workers created it looks like it goes down for gold and for bronze, how is this possible as it is workers created? Is the graph not accurate or what ? The graph is showing that they don't create workers at a constant rate when it gets later into the game. The graph I also believes it taking into account workers being killed, I believe. | ||
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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JennLOL
United States11 Posts
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Troxle
United States486 Posts
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