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Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
December 15 2011 09:59 GMT
#1061
Very good work!. Have you tried contacting Blizzard for some help in extracting the relevant data from their servers?
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
December 18 2011 00:57 GMT
#1062
Been playing some terran in customs and my avg. SQ has been 79.65 last 10 games compared to my main race (gold Z) at 60~. One maybe should try a race switch for the next ladder season...
Troxle
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States486 Posts
December 18 2011 02:06 GMT
#1063
This is very awesome! It has me pegged equal to what I'm fighting! Tells me I need to start playing more so I have the symbol to back it up! Thanks for doing all the math for it too! I've done so much integrating recently that I don't think I could stand to actually solve this one (though I semi started to when I saw the dM/dt....). Great work indeed, has me pegged at about ~68 average which is very close to Masters (I think if I played consistantly I'd be right there!) I did have one question though, the .00137, is this an average or exact value? I like to be very precise with my digits. If there is another equation I could possibly plug into that (if I have to solve an integration I'd be willing to work it out) just let me know. If its exact then I will take it as so!
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hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
December 18 2011 02:07 GMT
#1064
On December 18 2011 09:57 Aando wrote:
Been playing some terran in customs and my avg. SQ has been 79.65 last 10 games compared to my main race (gold Z) at 60~. One maybe should try a race switch for the next ladder season...


Terran SQ is fairly unclear at lower leagues, because you have the ability to queue multiple units.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
December 18 2011 03:22 GMT
#1065
I love this! It has helped me sooo much! It's such an easy measurement of seeing if your macro has improved in the income / spending department...Absolutely incredible! You have made me a better sc2 player sir!
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Tobias
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden187 Posts
December 18 2011 10:55 GMT
#1066
This is astonishing! My average SQ in games I feel I played badly and lost is 40, when looking at games where I've won or feel i should've won it's ~60 (yes, I'm bronze, be kind).
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 11:12:37
December 18 2011 11:12 GMT
#1067
I just had 91.63 in a 30 minute long 4v4 (1812/830) and i am in diamond 1v1 (well i think i've played a total of 10 1v1s in the past yr was masters when that league first came out)

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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 13:30:46
December 18 2011 13:24 GMT
#1068
Do you macro like a pro?

Yes i do its my unit control that is terrible.
Playing terran and i can get maxed in 15 minutes, terran macro is the hardest by far btw (qq)
Interesting thread btw but i dont think you should look at workers alone, maybe totall suply is a better indicator though both depend on how the actual game develops.
Resources unspend is a good indicator but its also related to worker count, with low worker count and low income, its more easy to spend all resources
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
December 18 2011 13:42 GMT
#1069
Imo I devised an easier way to figure out how close your macro really is to what they say.

Every 10 seconds you're supply blocked subtract 1 point.
Every 10 seconds you forget to build workers subtract 1 point.

Just do that and you'll find out how good at macro you really are.

The best I've ever done is like a legit 90 when I subtract the points.
Louis8k8
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada285 Posts
December 18 2011 13:51 GMT
#1070
No, my macro is always terrible. I always over make drones and have a way higher income than I can spend. And then I get crushed caused I kept making drones and not enough of an army.
-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
December 18 2011 13:52 GMT
#1071
On December 18 2011 22:42 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Imo I devised an easier way to figure out how close your macro really is to what they say.

Every 10 seconds you're supply blocked subtract 1 point.
Every 10 seconds you forget to build workers subtract 1 point.

Just do that and you'll find out how good at macro you really are.

The best I've ever done is like a legit 90 when I subtract the points.

Would you subtract fractions of a point if you're only supply blocked for 2 seconds? Or only count if the block exceeds 10?
"I post only when my brain works." - Reaper9
Eichhorn
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany7 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 15:23:41
December 18 2011 15:23 GMT
#1072
I'm playing Terran, my last 15 ladder games had an average SQ of 83, in Yabot I'm normally around 120-125 ( not that it matters ). It's been some time since I last played, but back then I was stuck at 50/50 in Silver League, guess I have some terrible decision making/micro/scouting.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
December 18 2011 16:22 GMT
#1073
On December 19 2011 00:23 Eichhorn wrote:
I'm playing Terran, my last 15 ladder games had an average SQ of 83, in Yabot I'm normally around 120-125 ( not that it matters ). It's been some time since I last played, but back then I was stuck at 50/50 in Silver League, guess I have some terrible decision making/micro/scouting.

Yabot is great for refining build orders or very specific areas in your play, but not your macro in a "real game" type scenario

The Joker explains it the best

"You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds! "

You will honestly improve your macro much faster by just hammering out ladder games
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
December 18 2011 16:29 GMT
#1074
On December 18 2011 22:24 Rassy wrote:
Do you macro like a pro?

Yes i do its my unit control that is terrible.
Playing terran and i can get maxed in 15 minutes, terran macro is the hardest by far btw (qq)
Interesting thread btw but i dont think you should look at workers alone, maybe totall suply is a better indicator though both depend on how the actual game develops.
Resources unspend is a good indicator but its also related to worker count, with low worker count and low income, its more easy to spend all resources



rofl, Terran is hard to macro ? Tell me more jokes please ! :D
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coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
December 18 2011 16:50 GMT
#1075
On October 30 2011 16:10 StreetWise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 14:46 Cubbieblue66 wrote:
Is it worse to have an APM around 50 or a SQ around 50?


If that APM is EAPM, then I would say actually pretty even. In SQ terms, 50 means you are floating what you are making, i.e. if your income is 1000 minerals, you are floating 1000 etc. If you have an income of 1000 and only float 500 minerals, then that gives you an SQ of around 70. Only using a small sampling of me and 3 friends, I am masters and the 3 friends are all battling it out in silver league, I average 76 EAPM, and 72 SQ. While my friends are in the 50s for both, so at least in my small group, there seems to be a strong parallel.


My eapm is double my SQ
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
December 18 2011 17:20 GMT
#1076
Weird, when I was baked last night on ladder I averaged 89 over 4 25~ minute 1v1s. I'm still losing to mid-masters so I can't be that good T_T
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eteran
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany83 Posts
December 18 2011 17:33 GMT
#1077
I don't have much clue about the exact structure of Starcraft 2 replay files, so bear with me if this question is stupid:
Is replay parsing not advanced enough to reconstruct the game in an external parser? Otherwise calculating the SQ should be possible by "just" reconstructing the game.
Eichhorn
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany7 Posts
December 19 2011 05:16 GMT
#1078
On December 19 2011 01:22 Dommk wrote:
You will honestly improve your macro much faster by just hammering out ladder games


Well, I've already stated that I know that Yabot doesn't matter that much. Still, even though I lose nearly 50% of my games, I maintain a SQ of about 85 in silver ladder games...my macro already seems to be quite good, so other factors have to be the reason I lose. ( already had some speculations there @ decision-making/micro/scouting )
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
December 19 2011 05:20 GMT
#1079
On December 19 2011 14:16 Eichhorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 01:22 Dommk wrote:
You will honestly improve your macro much faster by just hammering out ladder games


Well, I've already stated that I know that Yabot doesn't matter that much. Still, even though I lose nearly 50% of my games, I maintain a SQ of about 85 in silver ladder games...my macro already seems to be quite good, so other factors have to be the reason I lose. ( already had some speculations there @ decision-making/micro/scouting )

I think there must be some selection bias in there. If you can macro as well as a grandmaster player then I see no reason why you should be going 50/50 in Silver League, even due to decision making. Most likely you are just looking at games that are very short or tend to queue up a lot of units
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
December 19 2011 05:28 GMT
#1080
On December 19 2011 14:20 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 14:16 Eichhorn wrote:
On December 19 2011 01:22 Dommk wrote:
You will honestly improve your macro much faster by just hammering out ladder games


Well, I've already stated that I know that Yabot doesn't matter that much. Still, even though I lose nearly 50% of my games, I maintain a SQ of about 85 in silver ladder games...my macro already seems to be quite good, so other factors have to be the reason I lose. ( already had some speculations there @ decision-making/micro/scouting )

I think there must be some selection bias in there. If you can macro as well as a grandmaster player then I see no reason why you should be going 50/50 in Silver League, even due to decision making. Most likely you are just looking at games that are very short or tend to queue up a lot of units


Alternatively, he's not expanding enough, or making too many unit-producing structures.
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