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Vronti
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States111 Posts
December 04 2011 04:32 GMT
#1041
Awesome job Solirinn, thanks!
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." — Confucius
Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
December 04 2011 05:44 GMT
#1042
I love the type of minds this community brings together, and the results that this produces. This study is fantastic. I love how quantifiable it makes Starcraft 2 feel. Thanks a lot for the work, I know this couldn't have been easy.
fresh chops
Fiveleaves
Profile Joined December 2011
China1 Post
December 04 2011 09:20 GMT
#1043
This is really an epic article, it's a shame that I only see this till now. Thanks

I recorded the data of my last 25 games ( most of them tend to be 20 minutes long), and surprisingly my average SQ is 79, quite high above my league position (high gold zerg).... I think it just shows how bad I'm at decision making and scouting... I seriously need to improve on these fronts.

Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
December 04 2011 09:43 GMT
#1044
I would live to see if this measure could be used to judge the skill of the whole community over time. Have the stats changed significantly now as opposed to 3 months ago when this was posted?

PS love this article. Huge props to you.
The world is ending what should we do about it?
Bursat
Profile Joined June 2010
Turkey44 Posts
December 07 2011 02:42 GMT
#1045
SQ Excel Files Download
goo.gl/GzOsl
cosineInfinity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States178 Posts
December 07 2011 02:59 GMT
#1046
On December 07 2011 11:42 Bursat wrote:
SQ Excel Files Download
goo.gl/GzOsl


The sheet is in Turkish, but all you have to do is stick in your data and the sheet chugs out SQs and a graph for you. Nice!

Sadly, I had already labored away at making my own sheet before finding this gem
Mellon
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden917 Posts
December 07 2011 05:52 GMT
#1047
After 31 games i got 82-83 something, didn't count any decimals when finding out my avg SQ! P player, 4 gates really bring down the SQ! Get around 70 or so while doing it as i will float about 400 minerals before putting down those 3 gates, aswell as the gas. If i win the game quickly, i get lower SQ!

Well gonna fill in more once i play more
4rest
Profile Joined September 2010
1 Post
December 08 2011 16:49 GMT
#1048
Pretty amazing work here, thanks so much for posting this.

I have been using this to measure my macro progress with really great results. Choosing a progression goal like, "Always make workers" and using this to measure my progress, I've been able to win 7 out of the last 8 games. Record for the previous 20 games: 7 wins out of 20.

My Cumulative AVG SQ has raised from 40 to 46.
My Cumulative AVG SQ from the last 20 games before I ever read this article: 40.6
My Cumulative AVG SQ from the last 8 games, while trying to "always make workers": 60.6
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
December 08 2011 17:04 GMT
#1049
I took 10 games at random and got an SQ of about 75, which seems about right for mid-masters. Cool stuff.

I need to make more workers!
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
December 08 2011 18:26 GMT
#1050
I have a pretty high SQ for some games, like GM level SQ's, so I guess I"m terrible at decision making @_@ or some other things aside from macro.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 20:50:54
December 09 2011 20:50 GMT
#1051
Damn i'm high diamond and have only 61,74 SQ (average last 20 games)...Should be minimum 65 :/
Ultimeci
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands10 Posts
December 09 2011 22:14 GMT
#1052
I'm still impressed by reading this.

I've been able to conclude a few things which has made me change up my games and also look differently at games from others, which is how much probes/drones/scv's i make and especially when.

Thank you!
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
December 09 2011 23:19 GMT
#1053
Apparently I have 80 SQ and I'm in bronze...
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 23:28:31
December 09 2011 23:27 GMT
#1054
Ha, now is there a way to track your micro? ^^
I make about 65 workers per game on average, today got everything from 8 to over 70 (platinum)
SQ is about high diamond on average.
I wonder if you can see what the worker stats/income stats are at a certain point, which would be an interesting point of comparison.



Apparently I have 80 SQ and I'm in bronze...

In 1 game, or average? It could be that you played against, say, a computer, and only macroed.
I did that and got 115, so that wouldn't be accurate.
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 23:31:28
December 09 2011 23:30 GMT
#1055
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On December 10 2011 08:27 TehTemplar wrote:
Ha, now is there a way to track your micro? ^^
I make about 65 workers per game on average, today got everything from 8 to over 70 (platinum)
SQ is about high diamond on average.
I wonder if you can see what the worker stats/income stats are at a certain point, which would be an interesting point of comparison.



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Apparently I have 80 SQ and I'm in bronze...

In 1 game, or average? It could be that you played against, say, a computer, and only macroed.
I did that and got 115, so that wouldn't be accurate.



Only one game, so it isn't accurate then lol
I'll play some more and see my average then
Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
December 10 2011 02:25 GMT
#1056
Is there a way to adjust the SQ to account for game length? As a protoss, my macro is in the masters-GM range because the games are so short and don't actually require any macro, since one or both of us are four-gating. When I eliminate PvP, my SQ drops into the diamond-master range, which is where I actually am at in terms of ladder points and MMR.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
December 10 2011 02:35 GMT
#1057
This was a good read, it all made sense. Nice thread
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
All.In
Profile Joined August 2010
United States214 Posts
December 10 2011 02:41 GMT
#1058
Some people have 10,000 posts. If you add them all up they are half as good/useful as this 1 single post. Well done sir.
It is what it is
gronnelg
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway354 Posts
December 15 2011 07:41 GMT
#1059
I have a question.
You said the SQ-equation doesnt really work for income beneath 600.
But what about the other end? Does really high income mess up the equation as well?
I've noticed that in games I've got over 2000 income, my SQ get high even with a lot of unspent recources.
Obviously higher income = higher unspent, but still... Is the equation balance for high income, or does it have a weakness just like for low income?
And for that matter, how does really low or really high unspent resources affect the equation?
Lulzez || My stream: http://www.twitch.tv/gronnelg
ru.meta
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation88 Posts
December 15 2011 09:00 GMT
#1060
Really good work! Very crisp and understandable. Thank you!
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