EPTDo you macro like a pro? - Page 13
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Ruyguy
Canada988 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On September 17 2011 03:09 Emperor_Earth wrote: I don't think using "average unspent resources" is a very complete barometer. Better would be: "average unspent resources not being used as a buffer for production/pop space increasers/tech" It's not how much money you save up at any given second. It's how much extra or unaccounted for cash that shows bad macro. For example, a zerg may have the typical 6-8 larvae saved up for his spire. Is his macro bad? no. It's planned. Impossible to do without looking game-by-game. Also, having larvae purposely saved up is 95% of the times indistinguishable from bad macro. Waiting for mutas to pop is the only clear-cut case. Average unspent resources may not be a perfect indicator of macro proficiency, but it is the best one we've got. | ||
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UnknownReclaimer
United States146 Posts
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Scoldin
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Large maps will simply and frankly favor the race that currently has the pleasure of being dominant when maxed out in a 3base vs. 3base late game situation. That race, as you’ll see, will be Protoss. And please don’t mistake this for whine; it’s merely stating what should be obvious. On the other end, the same maps will likely disfavor the previous most stable performing tournament race on blizzard-sized maps: Terran. In retrospect I wonder what's changed to make the antithesis of this come true? | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Ok wow. Oh. Wow. Really good job, OP. | ||
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Copenap
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
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Sergov
Australia62 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
I'm really curious how different this would be across servers. NA is often (probably correctly) considered to have the lowest skilled latter, and its no real surprise IdrA is far ahead of most NA GMs (I don't think it would be hard to quantify NA GMs as being objectively worse than the composition of players in EU or KR GM) so it would be interesting to see how these tiers line up just by looking at professionals from different regions. On September 17 2011 03:14 LordJerith wrote: Indeed! Moneyball of eSports. Anyone need a statistician? Will supercrunch for food. I got my start at TL by doing this kind of analysis (though considerably less rigorous). Maybe after Moneyball comes out next week it will inspire a new generation to apply things to their favorite games  | ||
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OPKutty
Canada45 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
Max SQ: 99 Min SQ: 52 | ||
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AA.spoon
Belgium331 Posts
I took a long game between myself and orly. I have 93,1 and orly 91,8. I am pretty sure our macro is average (for a gm eu player). I guess I should take a large sample instead of one game. | ||
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chambertin
United States1704 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9376 Posts
On September 17 2011 03:21 AA.spoon wrote: Lol, Idra has a really low score. I took a long game between myself and orly. I have 93,1 and orly 91,8. I am pretty sure our macro is average (for a gm eu player). I guess I should take a large sample instead of one game. This is actually true. As soon as more peoples scores get submitted, I guess the myth of Idra being a macro monster will be dismissed. | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
On September 17 2011 03:21 AA.spoon wrote: Lol, Idra has a really low score. I took a long game between myself and orly. I have 93,1 and orly 91,8. I am pretty sure our macro is average (for a gm eu player). I guess I should take a large sample instead of one game. Yeah it is over the course of 20 games | ||
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AtlasJQ
Canada138 Posts
![[image loading]](http://terry.phpwebhosting.com/jq/SQ1.jpg) I found it interesting that my average was just above 70 which is consistent with your Masters league average level. I also noticed that the games where I managed to keep my SQ above 80 I tended to win.... so this is a pretty powerful metric indeed. My outer ranges of 60 to 90 was also interesting. I noticed the longer the game went on the lower my SQ went, as the high end macro games punished my overall spending efficiency. Fantastic work, should be published as a white paper :D | ||
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dementrio
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
On September 17 2011 03:24 Hider wrote: This is actually true. As soon as more peoples scores get submitted, I guess the myth of Idra being a macro monster will be dismissed. That was just one game, i can simply get a game where my opponent left right away and give me 150 SQ. | ||
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Shrubbles
Brazil29 Posts
I have to say, it was one of the best posts ever at TL, the scientific aproach is perfect and very easy to understand, this could very well be a project for math class of some type.. About the results especifically, I'am very surprised on the precision of this.. even with this not so huge amount of data, you actually were able to fit nice functions there... And overall the resulta pretty much agree with some common knowledge, but taking it to a whole another level.. Sumarizing: Great post, Nice read, and a brilliant well analisys of your data... | ||
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