EPTDo you macro like a pro? - Page 12
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drjoe
United States66 Posts
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MarineFTW
42 Posts
On September 17 2011 02:52 Xaeldaren wrote: This doesn't seem right, since I'm a gold player and after inputting 20 games my average comes in at 71, which I presume is pretty good? I'm gold on EU too, and I got 66. The original stats were computed on NA lader, distribution on EU could be different. It looks like EU is tougher than NA. | ||
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On September 17 2011 03:04 Huragius wrote: I really doubt that DRG or Major has better SQ than MVP. Its probably close. MVP isn't very good at producing workisn (compared to Major), but his control is much better. If you watch games intensely you will notice this. DRG is much much better at spneding minerals thant Idra and his average income is prob higher than Majors (as he is zerg). So he is prob close to 100 average. | ||
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xai_death
Netherlands65 Posts
: http://beijers.eu/share/sq.html | ||
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Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
But: How about production rounds? For example, if you are at 15rax/3fact/2star in TvZ Then your production round is 15 x2 marines (build time, no reactor), 3 tanks, 4 medivacs As your #of production buildings go up, the amount buffered for the next production round would be higher and higher. I know you try to approximate this with your SQ, but I feel like there should be a better way to measure the > production value spikes. I would inquire into Skillcraft.ca if you want access to more replays to do some higher end analysis. I don't think using "average unspent resources" is a very complete barometer. Better would be: "average unspent resources not being used as a buffer for production/pop space increasers/tech" It's not how much money you save up at any given second. It's how much extra or unaccounted for cash that shows bad macro. For example, a zerg may have the typical 6-8 larvae saved up for his spire. Is his macro bad? no. It's planned. Or, a Terran is waiting on confirmation of a third expo from the zerg to either delay his third and skip a round of marines or not. Is that bad play? Perhaps not. But it certainly would be insinuated to be bad play by your analysis methodologies. I'm not saying it's realistic tho* | ||
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bOOgyWC
Germany153 Posts
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whoopingchow
United States293 Posts
SABERMETRICS IN SC2 FTW. Also, LaTex is sexxyyyy :D | ||
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TwoMagTrav
United States195 Posts
Awesome post man, looks like you spent a million hours and it is extremely interesting data! MMmmm Data. =D | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Hollow27
United States111 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
Thanks for the effort dude. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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Doubles
Canada4 Posts
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evaunit01
United States512 Posts
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LordJerith
United States92 Posts
On September 17 2011 01:45 ZXRP wrote: Hi Whatthefat. This is a fantastic post! Being a mathematician myself, I suppose I am a little biased here, but this type of analysis is exactly what eSports needs. In the 'real' world, professional football, soccer, rugby etc teams have professional statisticians working for them doing calculations that I would imagine are similar to this. I could see the day where Starcraft 2 teams have their own in-house statistician doing number crunching for them, comparing their players with other teams or tracking their skill over time. I know that quite a bit of work must have gone into the above calculations, and I take my hat off to you sir. With some community pressure, we may even be able to get Blizzard to add SQ to the data available post-game (saving some of the less mathematically inclined from doing so themselves). At the very least, some popular SC2 replay archive programs should consider adding this to the data they extract from the replay file. Indeed! Moneyball of eSports. Anyone need a statistician? Will supercrunch for food. | ||
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Tanag
Canada204 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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