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monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
September 16 2011 18:35 GMT
#281
Probably one of the best analysis thread i've read on TL. Lot of information and very well tought and written out.

5 stars if it was a blog
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
September 16 2011 18:35 GMT
#282
This might be the best analytical thread on TL. Well done.
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MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
September 16 2011 18:39 GMT
#283
This is probably a stupid question but:
How the hell do I get the data off replays?
I tried sc2 gears but this programm isn't providing "average income" or "average unspent resources"
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
September 16 2011 18:39 GMT
#284
This is amazing work! I've only read half of it so far but this is so interesting. Really impressed.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 16 2011 18:41 GMT
#285
On September 17 2011 03:39 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
This is probably a stupid question but:
How the hell do I get the data off replays?
I tried sc2 gears but this programm isn't providing "average income" or "average unspent resources"


Open up SC2 and go into your match history, and manually go through the last 20 games or so.
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
September 16 2011 18:42 GMT
#286
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

bronze players have 10k overmids with 500 income?
i cant believe that tbh


but GREAT WORK due
i would be dead after working so much for 1 thread
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luftwaffle5
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6 Posts
September 16 2011 18:42 GMT
#287
This is an incredible resource. I'd love to be able to write a script to delve into a replay file, extract this kind of information (workers built, average income, etc) to automate this process for an extremely large data set to see if the trends hold.

Super informative!
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MadNote
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lesotho75 Posts
September 16 2011 18:42 GMT
#288
On September 17 2011 03:39 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
This is probably a stupid question but:
How the hell do I get the data off replays?
I tried sc2 gears but this programm isn't providing "average income" or "average unspent resources"


In the match history in BNET. After a game is over and it goes over to the score screen, click on the resources tab. The "average income" and "average unspent resources" are there.

Great read! That was an incredible amount of work you put into it and I don't envy you for waiting for BNET to show all those score screens! You must have the patience of a saint
xai_death
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands65 Posts
September 16 2011 18:42 GMT
#289
Updated my tool at http://beijers.eu/share/sq.html so you can calculate average etc. It's almost like the Excel someone posted, but Excel takes such a long time to start .
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mr17hz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States33 Posts
September 16 2011 18:44 GMT
#290
This is awesome, thank you very much for your time spent.
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GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
September 16 2011 18:44 GMT
#291
Really great read, easy to understand and quite interesting.

I wonder if there would be any interesting findings if the data was sub-divided by matchups instead of just race.
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ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
September 16 2011 18:45 GMT
#292
This post was an excellent read. Thanks!
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The_Piper42
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States426 Posts
September 16 2011 18:46 GMT
#293
You sir deserve a medal. I wish I were motivated enough to go find my SQ but instead I think I'll just go practice my macro more. ;-)
Boxer, White-Ra, Grubby, Flash fighting!
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 16 2011 18:48 GMT
#294
On September 17 2011 03:41 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 03:39 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
This is probably a stupid question but:
How the hell do I get the data off replays?
I tried sc2 gears but this programm isn't providing "average income" or "average unspent resources"


Open up SC2 and go into your match history, and manually go through the last 20 games or so.


Haha maybe if the web site actually showed full match details, we could write a bot to parse this info automatically. But I think even SC2 gears could calculate both figures too from replay data.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
NewbieOne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Poland560 Posts
September 16 2011 18:48 GMT
#295
Great stuff. I'm going to try and get the SQ when I finally have enough free time. It's also great to see that, apparently, the ladder league system is actually reliable and well-founded.
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
September 16 2011 18:49 GMT
#296
Wow this incredible, great work!
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
September 16 2011 18:49 GMT
#297
Fantastic work. Down with APM, long live SQ!
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
September 16 2011 18:49 GMT
#298
After reading it fully I have to admit that this is singlehandedly the most epic article I've read on this forum ever, well, on any gaming related information source to be fair...


You just presented an easy to use quantitative measure of how well macro was, which can be calculated for every game directly from the results screen on battlenet. This has the potential to become by far the most objective indicator for how much someone is improving his macro. Good players can even use it to compare the macro efficiency of different builds with it. I am speechless.

It is actually a brilliant idea to analyse average unspent ressources as a function of income, thereby completely avoiding the problem that the average unspent ressources value alone as it is shown is not really comparable between games of different length.

It would be nice if sc2gears was picking up on the SQ-quotient so everybody can conveniently track his development.


Overall the most beautiful thing about it is that you dont even need to parse a replay to get the most practical information. Ingenuity beats data overkill.





On September 17 2011 02:21 templar rage wrote:
I'd actually love to see a game with a SQ of 100, if it's even possible.


Values over 100 are possible and were recorded, according to the distribution in the histogram. The reference values just represent the peak positions.

No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
AA.spoon
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium331 Posts
September 16 2011 18:50 GMT
#299
On September 17 2011 03:26 TolEranceNA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 03:24 Hider wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:21 AA.spoon wrote:
Lol, Idra has a really low score.
I took a long game between myself and orly. I have 93,1 and orly 91,8.
I am pretty sure our macro is average (for a gm eu player).
I guess I should take a large sample instead of one game.


This is actually true. As soon as more peoples scores get submitted, I guess the myth of Idra being a macro monster will be dismissed.


That was just one game, i can simply get a game where my opponent left right away and give me 150 SQ.

I took a sample of 12 games, the last games I played in tournaments (in advanced rounds). I have 86.5 average. So idra's result is absolutely not impressing.
Weirdly enough, the game with the lowest score 79.1, was a very short game in which I did a 4 gate + prism against a 1-1-1. I macroed very well in that game. It seems your formula isn't well adapted for short games.
The Touch
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom667 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 18:54:05
September 16 2011 18:52 GMT
#300
My only real problem with this is that the games I win are the games that, statistically, I tend to have to worst SQ, beacause once I get 200/200 I'll add on a ton of production facilities and then playing relatively passively, rather than risking it all going for a quick kill. Resources build up a lot at that point. That said, I still ended up with an average SQ of 59, which is fairly good for my level (gold league).

Now, I'm not sure how effective that sort of play is at higher levels, or at least how likely it is that you get away with not losing much of your army for a while. It could be that you have the opportunity to spend more money in higher level games, because better opponents don't leave you unmolested while you add production builidings.

It could be that all levels are affected by this to a reasonably similar degree, in which case it all comes out in the wash anyway.
You Got The Touch
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