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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 16 2011 18:52 GMT
#301
Plexa will jizz in his pants when he sees this.

Jokes aside,this is amazing work man,took some real dedication.

Cackle™
JeffJohnson
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany62 Posts
September 16 2011 18:52 GMT
#302
great analysis, enjoyed to read it :-)
Acurus
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 20:38:45
September 16 2011 18:53 GMT
#303
That was an awsome read! Its stuff like this that makes Starcraft such a cool hobby. It satisfies both my need for video games, and statistics :p

Edit: Calculated my SQ for the last 20 1v1s. : 59.75 Since I'm in gold league I'l take that as a compliment
Goggalor
Profile Joined August 2010
United States310 Posts
September 16 2011 18:54 GMT
#304
On September 17 2011 02:41 TheLight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 02:34 Xaeldaren wrote:
I'd love to calculate my SQ but I'm completely illiterate when it comes to Excel...I'm even using the 2000 version. Could anyone give me a hand and tell me how to go about it?


Here's a Excel 2000 template: http://www.mediafire.com/?h1cd1f2kdj16p6f

Just put in your numbers and it'll do the rest for you.
Thank you for this!!
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself - Carl Sagan
Nyast
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium554 Posts
September 16 2011 18:54 GMT
#305
Mid-masters here. Calculated my SQ over my last 20 ladder games. Found a score of 73. I'd say that's pretty damn accurate.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
September 16 2011 18:54 GMT
#306
Woah awesome post! I did not expect such high quality based off of the thread title haha. It must have been a tremendous amount of work to collect the data, so thanks for putting it all together, it was a good read
=)=
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 16 2011 18:55 GMT
#307
On September 17 2011 03:42 sVnteen wrote:
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

bronze players have 10k overmids with 500 income?
i cant believe that tbh


but GREAT WORK due
i would be dead after working so much for 1 thread

You haven't been in bronze then lol. Started out there and watching replays that definitely happened alot cause I would turtle, max out, then push. We'd both have over 10k minerals by the 25 minute mark unspent, although I would usually triple or even quadruple number of workers built (once I build 110 workers as zerg, and the other dude just built 20).
Treble557
Profile Joined August 2010
United States221 Posts
September 16 2011 18:55 GMT
#308
LOL, I love how the workers constructed chart just goes to show how easily zergs workers get blown away compared to the other races. XD
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 18:57:00
September 16 2011 18:56 GMT
#309
I guess I will need to keep a notebook or keep an excel file open to record these stats as I play each game until SC2gears or some other tool implements this. Really revolutionary. This seems so obvious yet no one bother to really delve into it.

On September 17 2011 03:49 mucker wrote:
Fantastic work. Down with APM, long live SQ!


APM will be obsolete by the end of the year.

APM and SQ aren't quite the same though and measure different things and imply different things (with some overlap).
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Vague
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 18:57:30
September 16 2011 18:57 GMT
#310
Nice study! Honestly, I was expecting to be a wither difference between diamond and masters players. The difference is considerable, but it it isn't as steep as I thought it was going to be.
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
September 16 2011 18:57 GMT
#311
On September 17 2011 02:55 Proof. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 02:50 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Great post, but you did not account for if a player maxes out quickly and then wins without losing significant portions of it, which would cause average unspent resources to skyrocket, and you also did not account for workers lost - losing workers is a big reason why players in higher leagues would need to make more.


Yup, I don't think your first point was accounted for, but the second point was (probably a bit subtle).

"Note that while this is a measure of the number of workers constructed by the end of a game (rather than an actual measure of workers at any stage of a game) it shows the expected profile for worker production across a game."

Those players that made 160 workers are probably those who had to remake from losing a crapton of workers.


I read that part, but he did not have a way of knowing the highest workers at any point, so I don't get where he got the "expected profile" from.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
GabrielB
Profile Joined February 2003
Brazil594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 19:00:34
September 16 2011 18:58 GMT
#312
On September 17 2011 03:49 perestain wrote:
It would be nice if sc2gears was picking up on the SQ-quotient so everybody can conveniently track his development.

Overall the most beautiful thing about it is that you dont even need to parse a replay to get the most practical information. Ingenuity beats data overkill.

As some people have said, it seems hard to automate this from the replay file (the replay file doesn't seem to save that information). However, sc2ranks probably can get this done pretty easily, as it gathers its info from the match history.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
September 16 2011 19:00 GMT
#313
On September 17 2011 03:50 AA.spoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 03:26 TolEranceNA wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:24 Hider wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:21 AA.spoon wrote:
Lol, Idra has a really low score.
I took a long game between myself and orly. I have 93,1 and orly 91,8.
I am pretty sure our macro is average (for a gm eu player).
I guess I should take a large sample instead of one game.


This is actually true. As soon as more peoples scores get submitted, I guess the myth of Idra being a macro monster will be dismissed.


That was just one game, i can simply get a game where my opponent left right away and give me 150 SQ.

I took a sample of 12 games, the last games I played in tournaments (in advanced rounds). I have 86.5 average. So idra's result is absolutely not impressing.
Weirdly enough, the game with the lowest score 79.1, was a very short game in which I did a 4 gate + prism against a 1-1-1. I macroed very well in that game. It seems your formula isn't well adapted for short games.


Yea i took my latest 7 games and i got a score of 89.522. And even got a game with 97.997 SQ score O.o (this was a 15min game). My macro isnt THAT good, i often have quite a few minerals stacked up after battles and such, but these numbers seem really high compared to the different leagues. I'm certainly nowhere near the macro of IdrA so i dont really understand...
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
zergules
Profile Joined July 2010
United States55 Posts
September 16 2011 19:02 GMT
#314
Wow... that is really interesting and definitively shows one major difference between players of the different leagues. Great work!
GabrielB
Profile Joined February 2003
Brazil594 Posts
September 16 2011 19:03 GMT
#315
On September 17 2011 04:00 Deadlyfish wrote:
Yea i took my latest 7 games and i got a score of 89.522. And even got a game with 97.997 SQ score O.o (this was a 15min game). My macro isnt THAT good, i often have quite a few minerals stacked up after battles and such, but these numbers seem really high compared to the different leagues. I'm certainly nowhere near the macro of IdrA so i dont really understand...

It's statistics... You need a large sample to get anything of actual value out of it.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
September 16 2011 19:03 GMT
#316
The longer the game goes, the lower the SQ I feel

Just looked up a 12 minutes game from ret and his SQ was 122 ;o
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
September 16 2011 19:04 GMT
#317
Hmm, since I do not have excell, what does "ln" represent for me?
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 19:07:42
September 16 2011 19:04 GMT
#318
On September 17 2011 04:00 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 03:50 AA.spoon wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:26 TolEranceNA wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:24 Hider wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:21 AA.spoon wrote:
Lol, Idra has a really low score.
I took a long game between myself and orly. I have 93,1 and orly 91,8.
I am pretty sure our macro is average (for a gm eu player).
I guess I should take a large sample instead of one game.


This is actually true. As soon as more peoples scores get submitted, I guess the myth of Idra being a macro monster will be dismissed.


That was just one game, i can simply get a game where my opponent left right away and give me 150 SQ.

I took a sample of 12 games, the last games I played in tournaments (in advanced rounds). I have 86.5 average. So idra's result is absolutely not impressing.
Weirdly enough, the game with the lowest score 79.1, was a very short game in which I did a 4 gate + prism against a 1-1-1. I macroed very well in that game. It seems your formula isn't well adapted for short games.


Yea i took my latest 7 games and i got a score of 89.522. And even got a game with 97.997 SQ score O.o (this was a 15min game). My macro isnt THAT good, i often have quite a few minerals stacked up after battles and such, but these numbers seem really high compared to the different leagues. I'm certainly nowhere near the macro of IdrA so i dont really understand...


It means your spending is good for short games and that the beginning of the game is relatively easy. Could factor game length into it? You could dump each SQ figure into certain time frames to compare. I doubt you could pull 89 in a 25-30 minute game. I think anyone could pull high spending efficiency in a cheese game. (I guess that explains why a lot of low skill players do it hahahaha)

Of course there could be anomalies like noob bronze players 1 basing the entire 30 minute length.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
xai_death
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands65 Posts
September 16 2011 19:05 GMT
#319
On September 17 2011 04:04 Thaniri wrote:
Hmm, since I do not have excell, what does "ln" represent for me?

You can use this: http://beijers.eu/share/sq.html
Or, if you really want to know: ln is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_logarithm
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ForayeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Brazil34 Posts
September 16 2011 19:05 GMT
#320
lol mine is exactly 65 and im diamond, so im probably the mid diamond thingy :/
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