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Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
September 08 2011 00:45 GMT
#321
I've only enjoyed watching the very first Open Season GSL when Fruit Dealer was the champion. Mainly because there was a side story of a guy playing the race widely considered underpowered at the time smashing his way through the tournament.

I personally dislike the way the Code A/S tournaments are set up. Group stages into BoX series bores me. I'd rather prefer watching something like the Open Season tournaments with their own qualifiers. No seeds given to Code S players or any people in the GSL. We can see more new faces.
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roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
September 08 2011 00:45 GMT
#322
On September 08 2011 09:41 Zeroxk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 09:22 roymarthyup wrote:
On September 08 2011 08:08 spicyredcurry wrote:
SO you want a qualifier to insert new blood into code S?

I believe they have something like that called code A... and that has a qualifier aswell. Making Code A double elimination would be cool but that would not be feasible.


You are right in a way. with the current system, code a could be seen as a season-long qualifier to get into the next code S tournament...

I think the main possible area of improvement i see in all of this is, lets say some dude out there is extremely skilled after a few months of practice and has a few weeks of incredible genius in sc2 for some unknowable reason.

I this this is EXTREMELY hypothetical, but hear me out.

If this dude wanted to get into code S he would need to spend 1 entire season doing code A, then he would have to get far enough into code A in that season to get into up/down. Then he would have to win the up/down and he could be in code S.

So he would have to do the season-long code a which is like a qualifiers to get into the next code S

(( And winning the up/down seems kind of like a silly format given that its BO1's between top players... but thats another discussion. ))

I guess im trying to say, if this dude somehow has a flash of genius right now id wanna see that dude in the code S tournament right now, not next season. With a type of open seeding element added to the tournament, the same dude could theoretically win code S in a single season without having to wait.

however, i agree my scenario is very hypothetical... but i believe sc2 has a high level of volatility that increasing the "new blood" level of a code s tournament could give Code S even more of a highly competitive mystique because the code S players would have to be superior to eachother and be superior to any bright stars that are materializing at that very moment.

And lets say one of these bright stars does good in code A, gets into code S, then during that season loses and goes to up/down and goes back into code A. Such a person would be doing a entire codeA season to qualify for one codeS season, then after dropping out he has to do ANOTHER codeA SEASON AGAIN to qualify for 1 more code S season. And if such a bright star has a flash of genius yet again he no longer has the "chance" to win code s for that season because his only option now is to spend another season trying to qualify again.

Im not saying the dude doesnt deserve to drop out for losing his games, im just saying such a system is not too forgiving in the time-department for many pro players out there.


If this star player is as brilliant as you say he should have NO trouble going through code A and STAYING in code S, Look at Bomber, Puzzle, July ++, they all came into code A and blasted their way to Code S. And if someone can't beat the up/downs that have the "weaker" Code S players how do you expect them to do against the heavyweights.

Sounds like you just want instant gratification.


your right. i kind of want instant gratification. in my opinion that style/mystique makes the tournament more entertaining. however i realize its only my opinion and some people might enjoy the current system.

also you are right that the player should be able to win and stay in code S. my point was that if he doesnt, i realize he deserves to drop down, but still that creates a scenario where great players have to do entire code A seasons yet again. my idea would still give him a small chance to win the next code S tournament without having to do another entire code A. pro gamers dont have large amounts of time in their career and im just thinking of systems that are more time friendly.

But at the end of the day its still just my opinion, and i cant say for a fact improving the system in such a manner is good. All of these things are just discussions within the realm of opinion and i realize that.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
September 08 2011 00:49 GMT
#323
Terrans dominate everyone that is not an IM zerg. It's quite tedious after a while. If I want to watch TvT it's a great tournament.
adrift
Profile Joined August 2010
192 Posts
September 08 2011 00:50 GMT
#324
On September 08 2011 09:04 CitrusFo wrote:
Once a year they should have a tournament where each korean pro team chooses 3 or so players from there lineup depending on Teamleague results and have a 32 man tourny like that. Can't think or another way to have the best players inside a tournament.


They are already kind of doing this with Super tournament. Pretty sure its once a year and its a huge 64-man bracket (like the old GSL seasons) based on the top 64 by GSL points.
Persev
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States127 Posts
September 08 2011 00:53 GMT
#325
I watch alot less GSL. I can't really pinpoint exact reasons. One thing I can say though is I really enjoyed watching Brood War Stars like JaeDong and Flash. They had very distinctive playstyles and even if everything around the game was incomprehensible to me the game spoke for itself and I was enthralled and had to tear myself away. Kinda like when you watch a good sport and you keep wanting a tie so you can get extra innings, or periods in which you can watch more.

Recently, I've fallen asleep in my chair everytime I stayed up late to watch and when I do watch its very rarely that I come away saying wow those guys played great. I understand that the level is play is extremely high...just something is missing for me in my viewing experience.

The only thing similar to this i've ever encountered is Iron Chef. I can watch the original series and be inspired to eat/cook something new. But the new Iron Chef America is agonizing to me.
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Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
September 08 2011 00:55 GMT
#326
GSL is losing its luster only because its not the monopoly on SC2 tournaments any more. There are so many strong foreign tournaments that it has to compete with for viewers. MLG, IPL, IEM, NASL are to name only a few. People tend to have short attention spans with which these other tournaments can satisfy. I can say that the only reason I have yet to watch GSL live is because the viewing hours are not friendly to America. They could re-broadcast the matches like NASL did for the EU audiance and they would gain at least 1 more viewer....ME!
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
September 08 2011 00:57 GMT
#327
Alright, I've concluded that nothing is good enough for starcraft 2 fans. Code S is getting boring? The best starcraft 2 players playing against eachother with some of the best casters? I hate these complaints. Just because another tournament has something exciting doesn't mean the other tourney needs to be changed. That's like me making a post after MLG orlando indicating that there should be an MLG teamleague.

As to the content of the post (which is curiously more of a suggestion then supporting the title) , no. GSL wants the best and most consistent players to have the best games. New blood isnt exciting, its more of a "old blood kills new blood" fest(itd be more like second chance for code B, and would code A exist?). Because people don't train as much as IMMvp and the like and GSL would lose it's exclusivity.

MLG and GSL are two different systems, GSL is completely meritocratic while MLG is more of a do-well and stay good enough and we'll keep you in, if you aren't in you better be pretty good if you want in.

TL;DR
Although MLG has enjoyable characteristics, The meritocratic system of the GSL, the fact that people around here complain for the sake of complaining, and the fact that the GSL is the best tournament all around causes this post to be a worthless endeavor.
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RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
September 08 2011 01:00 GMT
#328
They gotta make GSL like OSL or MSL much more hype and trash talk in the prem selections and stuff xD
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
September 08 2011 01:01 GMT
#329
Too many terrans, too few foreigners. That's what made me lose interest at least.

I almost never missed a match in the first 5 seasons. Now I only watch if a foreigner is playing or if a really huge match is coming up like mvp vs nestea. MLG feels so much more special.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 01:03:33
September 08 2011 01:03 GMT
#330
Making it so that races other than Terran can compete would greatly improve it's entertainment value. It's no fun knowing who's gonna win half the time.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Sovern
Profile Joined March 2011
United States312 Posts
September 08 2011 01:04 GMT
#331
GSL bores me because its full of Koreans (shouldn't be called Global Starcraft League, should be KSL) and because the way that they have the different code levels set up is terrible. GSL is the only league that I know of where a player can be playing at the highest division one month and next month he can be one level down because he lost one or two match's.

If they want this league to look a lot more professional than they should consider making seasons last 3-6 months and making it harder to drop down from code S to A.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
September 08 2011 01:04 GMT
#332
I enjoy some terran vs terrans (Poltimus vs TOP was a wicked series to watch) but I find seeing so many of them boring. I play protoss as main and zerg as my backup to relieve boredom and there is a distressing lack of the first and a select few of the second who I am able to watch.
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
September 08 2011 01:06 GMT
#333
I'm waiting for the moment when the GSL intros can be as epic like the MSL and OSL, that would be pretty awesome. I still haven't loss much interest, and I actually like TvT. At least its better than the other mirror matchups.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 08 2011 01:14 GMT
#334
Personally, I adore TvT, especially high-level ones. It doesn't matter if it's pure mech with Blue Flame Hellion spam or just standard marine tank medivac TvT, I love the matchup and all the fantastic Code S Terrans.

However, I don't like how big-name players sometimes get knocked out early in the tournament while weaker players tend to go deep. I dislike how players like HongUn, Anypro, and Inca accidentally knock out big names only to get crushed in subsequent matches.

Although I do like the Nestea, MVP, MC trinity dominating the entire tournament, I sometimes feel that perhaps too much dominance can stifle lesser-known stars from having a fighting chance at the championship and can stagnate things a bit too much. Polt broke away from this trend during the Super Tournament, and I really want to see more Polts win Code S.
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UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 01:17:50
September 08 2011 01:16 GMT
#335
I find it interesting that players falling out of Code S is such a problem for so many people, I understand we all have players we specifically follow but the truth of the matter is that you have to be one of THE best players in the world to be in Code S. Not only that, you have to be one of the best players in the world AND you have to be playing at the top of your game just to stay in Code S, let alone winning it. Its a brutal system, but it keeps the competition of the very highest caliber. Even when a player slips down to Code A who shouldn't it's been shown that they will get back into Code S (mvp never should have been Code A, and he proved it)

The terran imbalance, as far as the actual number of them in Code S, will settle over the next three seasons. We're already seeing the big Code A influx of P and Zs and the new patch will (hopefully) eliminate any actual racial imbalance, if there is any.

Edit: I also think that the players who get "lucky" going deep (InCa in finals) subsequently get knocked down very quickly or exit in the RO32 the very next season.
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Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 08 2011 01:19 GMT
#336
On September 08 2011 09:55 Ghost-z wrote:
GSL is losing its luster only because its not the monopoly on SC2 tournaments any more. There are so many strong foreign tournaments that it has to compete with for viewers. MLG, IPL, IEM, NASL are to name only a few. People tend to have short attention spans with which these other tournaments can satisfy. I can say that the only reason I have yet to watch GSL live is because the viewing hours are not friendly to America. They could re-broadcast the matches like NASL did for the EU audiance and they would gain at least 1 more viewer....ME!

Either rebroadcast and make people happy while costing them more money, Or lose potential subscriptions due to people like yourself not having to watch the VoDs. Not that I'm saying you specifically wouldn't keep buying their subscriptions Ghost-z just using you as an example. But you get what I mean, its all about economics and what makes GOM the most money.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
September 08 2011 01:21 GMT
#337
It's definitely possible, and a lot of people have been complaining the quality of games has dropped because all we see are mirror matchups atm (TvT). Hopefully Code A will lighten things up as there are very few Terrans in Code A next season and hopefully more Protoss and Zerg will advance to Code S to lighten up the TvT issue we've been having concurrently.
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
September 08 2011 01:24 GMT
#338
People being able to fall out of Code S is a good thing.

If it wasn't so easy, we would have an MLG-style pool of players that don't deserve their spots keeping their spots.

If you're playing worse than your peers, you should lose your Code S spot.
MoriyaGXP
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)240 Posts
September 08 2011 01:26 GMT
#339
3 group of TvT = 12 and rest can mix it up i'm sure going to ro 16 is balance
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dejahu
Profile Joined April 2011
United States83 Posts
September 08 2011 01:28 GMT
#340
Too many terrans is the reason I have thought about staying away from GSL.
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