EPTShould "Deal Making" be illegal? - Page 6
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piknic
Canada59 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
I can't imagine complete strangers doing this so I dont think its big deal. In some cases it improves the quality of play because of players are more relaxed. I think the winner should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants with the money, this is a similar concept. Dont have a problem with it. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:07 ReignFayth wrote: so let's assume you have 55% of winning against a player in the final of a tournament, your salary is pretty mediocre, 1st prize is 75 000$, 2nd prize is 25 000$ and other players agree to split you'd say NO just to please the spectators? I just feel that you should be willing to give it all regardless anyway. But I would say NO just to please the spectators, yes. I don't like losing $50 000 but there's a bigger picture than my pay cheque. | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:04 ReignFayth wrote: reign, eg, mouz, dignitas, slayers whatever man, just hate on people for trying to reduce variance in a lifestyle where money isn't abundant it's not like you really know what's going on, you won't even realize it, most pros will still play to win in the finals even if the prize has been split see that's the problem. cuz really who cares where the money ends up? i don't watch tournaments to see where all the big money goes and i don't root for people cuz they make more money. that's their livelihood n if they can improve it, power to them. but it's a different thing entirely to throw games to make sure you're improving your livelihood. it's when you're not playing to win anymore because you're trying to weasel out more money that makes it a big deal. disagree? | ||
fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:03 Utinni wrote: It already has... It's shitty knowing TT1 went 1 base carriers and lost. If he actually practiced a good strat or attempted one. He woulda earned his money. Now knowing that TT1 wasn't giving 100 percent kind of brings down the win. Knowing that apparently a lot of pro's do this kind of brings you down. if pro's are happy to take the less money, and not try but take 2nd instead of first its their loss tbh.Getting higher ranked should be priority to all players imo. I bet the likesof Puma and hero at last MLG would happily have taken first spot with no prize cash just for the prestige and having the code s spot and what not | ||
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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:09 ReignFayth wrote: sponsors, fame etc. obviously, sorry I had to point out the obvious not to mention winning in itself is a lot of fun. Have you ever competed in anything? (not Fayth, the guy you quoted  ) | ||
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itsben
435 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:10 zev318 wrote: bragging rights and if its like a grand final of a GSL or WCG, even if money wasn't on the line, you bet they would try their hardest. im ok with sharing money as long as they try to win. in the fighting game community, i recall seeing that once on stream, forget which event it was, but the two teams in the team finals didn't even play and just went to dinner instead. It was a really late and the tournament was just a side tournament (not that much money) and unofficial (no evo points or anything). Assuming same tournament of course. Quite different than a big tournament and grand finals. | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
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ToD
France222 Posts
prizemoney splitting : both players try their best to win, the best way to do it is not to split 50/50 but like 45/55 and trust me at the highest level championships matter so much to players that even if #1 and #2 would get the same money, they would still probably try their best in the finals. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:11 Herculix wrote: see that's the problem. cuz really who cares where the money ends up? i don't watch tournaments to see where all the big money goes and i don't root for people cuz they make more money. that's their livelihood n if they can improve it, power to them. but it's a different thing entirely to throw games to make sure you're improving your livelihood. it's when you're not playing to win anymore because you're trying to weasel out more money that makes it a big deal. disagree? I totally agree that throwing games is fucking stupid, but really though most pro gamers are highly competitive and very few will actually throw games even if there is no more prize money involved (there is still some extra equity from getting first, sponsors etc.) | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:07 Synwave wrote: Random names thrown out there after making a random statement. So you have nothing to point to that actually backs you up, just what ever you feel like saying to make your point, gotcha. Oh and people are realizing whats going on...ie this thread. Did you not read the thread? ToD has said that he thinks this practice is standard and has said he's made deals with Grubby before, one of them involving a $30k first prize. | ||
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KingVietKong
United States170 Posts
It's shitty behavior. It's not match fixing, because it doesn't necessarily mean the players will give shitty games since it doesn't matter. It's probably largely inconsequential. But as TT1 said, he threw a game with a carrier rush because he didn't care. It's one of those things that can be justified and explained with a bit of reason and a lot of semantics, which is something I'm always wary of. | ||
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cyprin
United States1105 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:13 ToD wrote: match fixing : agreeing to who wins the match, so that includes someone throwing the game = not ok at all prizemoney splitting : both players try their best to win, the best way to do it is not to split 50/50 but like 45/55 and trust me at the highest level championships matter so much to players that even if #1 and #2 would get the same money, they would still probably try their best in the finals. would you not agree that what tt1 did was match fixing? he threw at least one of the games by going one base carrier | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
Should it be illegal? Most definitely yes, it affects the validity and integrity of a tournament, and they must be protected. With that being said. Am I strongly against it as a spectator? Weirdly enough, no. As long as the results are not predetermined, I don't feel terribly offended. However, I believe a lot of people would feel strongly against this, and rightfully so. And their interest should be respected too. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:04 ReignFayth wrote: reign, eg, mouz, dignitas, slayers whatever man, just hate on people for trying to reduce variance in a lifestyle where money isn't abundant it's not like you really know what's going on, you won't even realize it, most pros will still play to win in the finals even if the prize has been split What has Reign actually won? some team arenas? Either way... weird. Edit: sorta sounded dickish but I just don't see them having an opportunity to split the pot I guess | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On September 02 2011 08:13 ToD wrote: match fixing : agreeing to who wins the match, so that includes someone throwing the game = not ok at all prizemoney splitting : both players try their best to win, the best way to do it is not to split 50/50 but like 45/55 and trust me at the highest level championships matter so much to players that even if #1 and #2 would get the same money, they would still probably try their best in the finals. I think this is a pretty important point people are overlooking. What professional player is actually going to just not try in the finals of a huge tournament just because it won't affect how much money they make? Your name as a player, your reputation, and your ego are all essentially at stake. Players don't get sponsors and teams because they have money, they get them for winning tournaments. I'm pretty sure every player is going to want to win those big tournaments enough to try their hardest. | ||
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