On September 19 2011 20:15 Sif_ wrote: reached lvl 4 and insta lost my best player. nice
Did u had lawyer? Is there any other way to prevent poaching btw?
If this is the way it's going to be, im going to be an ASS as well and i keep grinding level 3 tournaments.
Doing it as well :p Besides I just play my streamers with noob stats. They've gone from 2k to 1700 ELO so now my team ELO has dropped by 30 to 2080 keeping me from promoting to level 4. Either I have a lot of cash to get a good lawyer and make it harder to get poached or I wait till poaching is adjusted to make it significantly harder.
Right now I only have $14k so I won't be expecting to getting a teamhouse and lawyer anytime soon :p
Poaching really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, besides, there are a LOT of good young players going cheap on FA. I picked up 3 under 15 for 10-20$. You make money with poaching the only bad aspect is if they pay 1-2k for an amazing player you could sell for more on the market.
When I see a 2800 ELO player with 9+ on all stats like my star player gets poached for 1.4k. Something is wrong. They changed poaching to make it more expensive but I still see some 2400-2600 ELO players getting poached for 3-4k.
I don't even have a lawyer or a teamhouse. I don't want to lose my players considering all of them are around the age of 15 and my new wave of recruits at 11.
If a 2800 ELO player with 9+ stats avg were to cost 15k for poaching then I'd take the risk of going level 4 but with poaching as it currently is I'm not thinking of going level 4 yet.
On September 19 2011 20:15 Sif_ wrote: reached lvl 4 and insta lost my best player. nice
Did u had lawyer? Is there any other way to prevent poaching btw?
If this is the way it's going to be, im going to be an ASS as well and i keep grinding level 3 tournaments.
Doing it as well :p Besides I just play my streamers with noob stats. They've gone from 2k to 1700 ELO so now my team ELO has dropped by 30 to 2080 keeping me from promoting to level 4. Either I have a lot of cash to get a good lawyer and make it harder to get poached or I wait till poaching is adjusted to make it significantly harder.
Right now I only have $14k so I won't be expecting to getting a teamhouse and lawyer anytime soon :p
Poaching really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, besides, there are a LOT of good young players going cheap on FA. I picked up 3 under 15 for 10-20$. You make money with poaching the only bad aspect is if they pay 1-2k for an amazing player you could sell for more on the market.
When I see a 2800 ELO player with 9+ on all stats like my star player gets poached for 1.4k. Something is wrong. They changed poaching to make it more expensive but I still see some 2400-2600 ELO players getting poached for 3-4k. I don't even have a lawyer or a teamhouse. I don't want to lose my players considering all of them are around the age of 15 and my new wave of recruits at 11.
If a 2800 ELO player with 9+ stats avg were to cost 15k for poaching then I'd take the risk of going level 4 but with poaching as it currently is I'm not thinking of going level 4 yet.
I found your issue.
On a side note; why the fuck am I continually losing to players who are abysmal in comparison to my own? I just got 2-0'd by some scrub who had AT LEAST 1-2 points lower in Macro, Micro, vX. This happens over and over. It's so frustrating. This kid had 3.6 vZ and my player had 7.9 vP. His player had 8.1/7.1 Macro/Micro, mine has 7.9/7.9. This is doing my head in.
On September 19 2011 20:15 Sif_ wrote: reached lvl 4 and insta lost my best player. nice
Did u had lawyer? Is there any other way to prevent poaching btw?
If this is the way it's going to be, im going to be an ASS as well and i keep grinding level 3 tournaments.
Doing it as well :p Besides I just play my streamers with noob stats. They've gone from 2k to 1700 ELO so now my team ELO has dropped by 30 to 2080 keeping me from promoting to level 4. Either I have a lot of cash to get a good lawyer and make it harder to get poached or I wait till poaching is adjusted to make it significantly harder.
Right now I only have $14k so I won't be expecting to getting a teamhouse and lawyer anytime soon :p
Poaching really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, besides, there are a LOT of good young players going cheap on FA. I picked up 3 under 15 for 10-20$. You make money with poaching the only bad aspect is if they pay 1-2k for an amazing player you could sell for more on the market.
When I see a 2800 ELO player with 9+ on all stats like my star player gets poached for 1.4k. Something is wrong. They changed poaching to make it more expensive but I still see some 2400-2600 ELO players getting poached for 3-4k. I don't even have a lawyer or a teamhouse. I don't want to lose my players considering all of them are around the age of 15 and my new wave of recruits at 11.
If a 2800 ELO player with 9+ stats avg were to cost 15k for poaching then I'd take the risk of going level 4 but with poaching as it currently is I'm not thinking of going level 4 yet.
I found your issue.
On a side note; why the fuck am I continually losing to players who are abysmal in comparison to my own? I just got 2-0'd by some scrub who had AT LEAST 1-2 points lower in Macro, Micro, vX. This happens over and over. It's so frustrating. This kid had 3.9 vZ and my player had 7.9 vP. His player had 8.1/7.1 Macro/Micro, mine has 7.9/7.9. This is doing my head in.
That's not the issue at all if you read the posts in the sc2m forums. They have lawyers and they still lose their players for low amount of money.
I can afford a lawyer but I don't want to take the risk yet. With all the new changes few moments ago I'll rather wait out and see how "expensive" poaching currently is for couple of days before I decide to go for level 4/5 promotion. If I dump my low ELO streamers I'll be sitting at 2180 ELO and I think I need like 2200 to get promoted to level 5. Just skip level 4 almost entirely then.
On September 19 2011 20:15 Sif_ wrote: reached lvl 4 and insta lost my best player. nice
Did u had lawyer? Is there any other way to prevent poaching btw?
If this is the way it's going to be, im going to be an ASS as well and i keep grinding level 3 tournaments.
Doing it as well :p Besides I just play my streamers with noob stats. They've gone from 2k to 1700 ELO so now my team ELO has dropped by 30 to 2080 keeping me from promoting to level 4. Either I have a lot of cash to get a good lawyer and make it harder to get poached or I wait till poaching is adjusted to make it significantly harder.
Right now I only have $14k so I won't be expecting to getting a teamhouse and lawyer anytime soon :p
Poaching really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, besides, there are a LOT of good young players going cheap on FA. I picked up 3 under 15 for 10-20$. You make money with poaching the only bad aspect is if they pay 1-2k for an amazing player you could sell for more on the market.
When I see a 2800 ELO player with 9+ on all stats like my star player gets poached for 1.4k. Something is wrong. They changed poaching to make it more expensive but I still see some 2400-2600 ELO players getting poached for 3-4k. I don't even have a lawyer or a teamhouse. I don't want to lose my players considering all of them are around the age of 15 and my new wave of recruits at 11.
If a 2800 ELO player with 9+ stats avg were to cost 15k for poaching then I'd take the risk of going level 4 but with poaching as it currently is I'm not thinking of going level 4 yet.
I found your issue.
On a side note; why the fuck am I continually losing to players who are abysmal in comparison to my own? I just got 2-0'd by some scrub who had AT LEAST 1-2 points lower in Macro, Micro, vX. This happens over and over. It's so frustrating. This kid had 3.6 vZ and my player had 7.9 vP. His player had 8.1/7.1 Macro/Micro, mine has 7.9/7.9. This is doing my head in.
Yeah I'm actually baffled by this aswell, I had one of my players lose to some guy with 2 points lower in everything and yet he was macroing better than my guy O.o? Wtf is that shit? Like I thought maybe he did the Heavy Army strategy or something but nope, he just macro'd better than my guy...
Well why dump low elo players when you can farm lvl 3, derp. This is how you sound to me: "I don't want the system to abuse me(poaching) but I will abuse the system(purposely keeping low elo)", sounds pretty hypocritical.
On September 20 2011 05:09 Zode wrote: Well why dump low elo players when you can farm lvl 3, derp. This is how you sound to me: "I don't want the system to abuse me(poaching) but I will abuse the system(purposely keeping low elo)", sounds pretty hypocritical.
It is and I never denied that so what's your point?
I'm open to just level to 4 and 5 but it should be relatively safe. Not so super risky if you aren't super rich and easy to poach like before. I don't mind poaching since it does happen RL (even though there are contracts) but it shouldn't be that easy (low amount of money needed to poach).
I said that I'd be willing to just play normal if it weren't for the above reasons. Now there has been some changes but no one knows how different it is than before. Hence I'm waiting to see the results.
On September 19 2011 20:15 Sif_ wrote: reached lvl 4 and insta lost my best player. nice
Did u had lawyer? Is there any other way to prevent poaching btw?
If this is the way it's going to be, im going to be an ASS as well and i keep grinding level 3 tournaments.
Doing it as well :p Besides I just play my streamers with noob stats. They've gone from 2k to 1700 ELO so now my team ELO has dropped by 30 to 2080 keeping me from promoting to level 4. Either I have a lot of cash to get a good lawyer and make it harder to get poached or I wait till poaching is adjusted to make it significantly harder.
Right now I only have $14k so I won't be expecting to getting a teamhouse and lawyer anytime soon :p
Poaching really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, besides, there are a LOT of good young players going cheap on FA. I picked up 3 under 15 for 10-20$. You make money with poaching the only bad aspect is if they pay 1-2k for an amazing player you could sell for more on the market.
When I see a 2800 ELO player with 9+ on all stats like my star player gets poached for 1.4k. Something is wrong. They changed poaching to make it more expensive but I still see some 2400-2600 ELO players getting poached for 3-4k. I don't even have a lawyer or a teamhouse. I don't want to lose my players considering all of them are around the age of 15 and my new wave of recruits at 11.
If a 2800 ELO player with 9+ stats avg were to cost 15k for poaching then I'd take the risk of going level 4 but with poaching as it currently is I'm not thinking of going level 4 yet.
I found your issue.
On a side note; why the fuck am I continually losing to players who are abysmal in comparison to my own? I just got 2-0'd by some scrub who had AT LEAST 1-2 points lower in Macro, Micro, vX. This happens over and over. It's so frustrating. This kid had 3.6 vZ and my player had 7.9 vP. His player had 8.1/7.1 Macro/Micro, mine has 7.9/7.9. This is doing my head in.
Yeah I'm actually baffled by this aswell, I had one of my players lose to some guy with 2 points lower in everything and yet he was macroing better than my guy O.o? Wtf is that shit? Like I thought maybe he did the Heavy Army strategy or something but nope, he just macro'd better than my guy...
Just happened again. Same player and the opponents highest stat 7.2 macro, 6.2 micro and 5.2 vZ. He out-macros my player and just stomps me. Same strat and inferior in every way.
On September 19 2011 20:15 Sif_ wrote: reached lvl 4 and insta lost my best player. nice
Did u had lawyer? Is there any other way to prevent poaching btw?
If this is the way it's going to be, im going to be an ASS as well and i keep grinding level 3 tournaments.
Doing it as well :p Besides I just play my streamers with noob stats. They've gone from 2k to 1700 ELO so now my team ELO has dropped by 30 to 2080 keeping me from promoting to level 4. Either I have a lot of cash to get a good lawyer and make it harder to get poached or I wait till poaching is adjusted to make it significantly harder.
Right now I only have $14k so I won't be expecting to getting a teamhouse and lawyer anytime soon :p
Poaching really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, besides, there are a LOT of good young players going cheap on FA. I picked up 3 under 15 for 10-20$. You make money with poaching the only bad aspect is if they pay 1-2k for an amazing player you could sell for more on the market.
When I see a 2800 ELO player with 9+ on all stats like my star player gets poached for 1.4k. Something is wrong. They changed poaching to make it more expensive but I still see some 2400-2600 ELO players getting poached for 3-4k. I don't even have a lawyer or a teamhouse. I don't want to lose my players considering all of them are around the age of 15 and my new wave of recruits at 11.
If a 2800 ELO player with 9+ stats avg were to cost 15k for poaching then I'd take the risk of going level 4 but with poaching as it currently is I'm not thinking of going level 4 yet.
I found your issue.
On a side note; why the fuck am I continually losing to players who are abysmal in comparison to my own? I just got 2-0'd by some scrub who had AT LEAST 1-2 points lower in Macro, Micro, vX. This happens over and over. It's so frustrating. This kid had 3.6 vZ and my player had 7.9 vP. His player had 8.1/7.1 Macro/Micro, mine has 7.9/7.9. This is doing my head in.
Yeah I'm actually baffled by this aswell, I had one of my players lose to some guy with 2 points lower in everything and yet he was macroing better than my guy O.o? Wtf is that shit? Like I thought maybe he did the Heavy Army strategy or something but nope, he just macro'd better than my guy...
Just happened again. Same player and the opponents highest stat 7.2 macro, 6.2 micro and 5.2 vZ. He out-macros my player and just stomps me. Same strat and inferior in every way.
I've been getting similar results in my internal battles, where both players would go balanced, but the worse one will win. The game has an aspect of randomization about the outcomes of games (obviously, otherwise all series with the default strategies set will never go higher than 2:0 or 3:0 or whatever), and I think a great deal of these occurances may have to do with two specific factors: the "hidden" skill of the natural talent rating, or the fact that preparation for games has been implemented as a feature.
Just my thoughts on what may be causing it, could be wrong.
On September 19 2011 20:15 Sif_ wrote: reached lvl 4 and insta lost my best player. nice
Did u had lawyer? Is there any other way to prevent poaching btw?
If this is the way it's going to be, im going to be an ASS as well and i keep grinding level 3 tournaments.
Doing it as well :p Besides I just play my streamers with noob stats. They've gone from 2k to 1700 ELO so now my team ELO has dropped by 30 to 2080 keeping me from promoting to level 4. Either I have a lot of cash to get a good lawyer and make it harder to get poached or I wait till poaching is adjusted to make it significantly harder.
Right now I only have $14k so I won't be expecting to getting a teamhouse and lawyer anytime soon :p
Poaching really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, besides, there are a LOT of good young players going cheap on FA. I picked up 3 under 15 for 10-20$. You make money with poaching the only bad aspect is if they pay 1-2k for an amazing player you could sell for more on the market.
When I see a 2800 ELO player with 9+ on all stats like my star player gets poached for 1.4k. Something is wrong. They changed poaching to make it more expensive but I still see some 2400-2600 ELO players getting poached for 3-4k. I don't even have a lawyer or a teamhouse. I don't want to lose my players considering all of them are around the age of 15 and my new wave of recruits at 11.
If a 2800 ELO player with 9+ stats avg were to cost 15k for poaching then I'd take the risk of going level 4 but with poaching as it currently is I'm not thinking of going level 4 yet.
I found your issue.
On a side note; why the fuck am I continually losing to players who are abysmal in comparison to my own? I just got 2-0'd by some scrub who had AT LEAST 1-2 points lower in Macro, Micro, vX. This happens over and over. It's so frustrating. This kid had 3.6 vZ and my player had 7.9 vP. His player had 8.1/7.1 Macro/Micro, mine has 7.9/7.9. This is doing my head in.
Yeah I'm actually baffled by this aswell, I had one of my players lose to some guy with 2 points lower in everything and yet he was macroing better than my guy O.o? Wtf is that shit? Like I thought maybe he did the Heavy Army strategy or something but nope, he just macro'd better than my guy...
Just happened again. Same player and the opponents highest stat 7.2 macro, 6.2 micro and 5.2 vZ. He out-macros my player and just stomps me. Same strat and inferior in every way.
I've been getting similar results in my internal battles, where both players would go balanced, but the worse one will win. The game has an aspect of randomization about the outcomes of games (obviously, otherwise all series with the default strategies set will never go higher than 2:0 or 3:0 or whatever), and I think a great deal of these occurances may have to do with two specific factors: the "hidden" skill of the natural talent rating, or the fact that preparation for games has been implemented as a feature.
Just my thoughts on what may be causing it, could be wrong.
I'd hope "talent" wouldn't effect a game in such a large fashion but I'd forgotten that "prepare for upcoming game" was implemented. I wonder how much effect that has on the outcome and why would any manager decide to prepare for an upcoming game when they have such scrubby players? :/
It might be a problem with the battle system. Just took a look at a battle report for a different player of mine and at several points for minutes at a time he just stops making anything. For a minute and a half he sits there at 70 econ, 63 army doing nothing. Doesn't make a single unit. Just checked the second battle and it happens again. He sits at 50/0 for a minute and a half with no one attacking. This is messed up.
Stamina system overhaul: stamina now both degrades and recovers very slowly. With no upgrades, players (gradually) recover 10 stamina per day. Stamina loss from tournaments is now much lower (and stamina loss from internal games is tiny). Stamina levels affect hours of practice. The effect is tiny for stamina greater than 7 or so, but drops off pretty quickly after that. The effect in battles remains linear for now. Players with 0 stamina will not practice at all. Might make practice ticks more frequent soon in order to make it fair for everyone regardless of timezone or preferred playing time.
Holy shit this game just gets worse and worse.
EDIT: Didn't notice distribution change. Might be a good change after all.
"19/09 23:40 In the aftermath of the horrible explosion at the Fleshlight factory in teiwong, china, survivors are grateful for the fleshlight donation provided by Cuddlings, from his own collection. An estimated 600 thousand Fleshlights arrived at the teiwong facility last night. Although every single one was the black anus supertight, these supplies will help the workers through the long nights."
"19/09 19:37 The United Nations are 'sick' of the demands that sick has made to undo years of work and to once again allow the weaponisation of gay pornography in defiance of the anti-weaponised gay pornography non-proliferation act of 2003"
I'm assuming this is a weird joke? lololol
Also, I would hope that "natural" talent wouldn't take a guy with 2 points worse in every stat that mattered and make him win 2-0? I mean I would accept that if you have 2 players with identical stats the one with more "natural" talent would win everytime, or nearly everytime, but it can't be THAT big of a boost. Even if the guy is at a 10 and my guy is a 1.
Edit: Honestly I don't see why this "natural talent" thing is a hidden stat, just allow people to see it, what's the harm?
Well I'm happy I'm making money now with redistribution but something really needs to be done about crappy players beating better ones. I don't believe it's JUST prep or strats, especially when you can pinpoint times where players make absolutely no units for no reason.
It sounds like some combination of your talent, strategy, or a stat you don't realize as important. Sometimes, players with bad scouting do completely irrational things if you have them set to AI and scout fictional stuff.
On September 20 2011 09:52 Skarmory wrote: It sounds like some combination of your talent, strategy, or a stat you don't realize as important. Sometimes, players with bad scouting do completely irrational things if you have them set to AI and scout fictional stuff.
It's not scouting, I'm looking at the AAR. Players will just flat out out-macro and out-micro your superior player. Talent should not account for such a large discrepancy and there is still the matter of players spending minutes building nothing.
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