APM measurements changes in 1.4.0 - Page 39
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On September 26 2011 08:35 IntotheNorth wrote: Funny thing is im seeing pros having below 100 apm after the patch, they have basically almost the same apm as bronzie now, gj blizzard ^^ make us noobs feeling proud Which ones? I pulled a random match from the first page of SC2rep and its listing an average APM of 175 for LiquidRet, with higher peaks. Meanwhile in my Silver league games I rarely see anyone above 30-60 average. If someone could actually pull a replay of a sub-100 APM pro playing a standard game that'd be great. Until then I have to assume the "omg they're catering to the noooooobs" thing is nonsense. | ||
ExquisiteRed
396 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:46 Monkeyballs25 wrote: Which ones? I pulled a random match from the first page of SC2rep and its listing an average APM of 175 for LiquidRet, with higher peaks. Meanwhile in my Silver league games I rarely see anyone above 30-60 average. If someone could actually pull a replay of a sub-100 APM pro playing a standard game that'd be great. Until then I have to assume the "omg they're catering to the noooooobs" thing is nonsense. Those Ret replays are from before the patch. I actually haven't seen any pro replays from after patch 1.4 though, kinda curious what their apm is now. | ||
Supamang
United States2298 Posts
I dont see how an APM counter change could piss people off so im a bit confused | ||
Joey Wheeler
Korea (North)276 Posts
On September 26 2011 17:21 Jehct wrote: APM is not a measure of multitasking or mechanics in any way, shape or form. You're doing it wrong. Macro under pressure, on the other hand, is a solid test of multitasking. Are you keeping up with spending lategame? Or while harassing/attacking? Those are your measures. Macroing under pressure is exactly where you get APM from. How the hell is a measurement that shows how many actions you are doing in game not an accurate measure? | ||
jojoleb
Lebanon180 Posts
which surprised me as i'm just a platinum ZERG player ! jojo.554 | ||
nanaoei
3358 Posts
it's similar to taking your sc2gears value and dividing by 3, and there are many times when a pro hits flat out 0. stick to sc2gears i guess if you want a non-filtered measurement press 'm' in replays for the sake of curiosity now : D | ||
MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
to me the only logical way to count apm is by counting everything or excluding all sorts of spam, that includes move commands or attack commands that doesnt make a difference. for example clicking to move ur scouting overlord 50 times behind ur opponents natural in the same spot before he gets there should also count as spamming. but its too hard to make a realistic and 100% fair EAPM so by that being said i think the apm bar should include all sorts of spamming. even if u just sit and do 232323 because thats not any worse than ordering your unit to move to same location/direction multiple times within 0.1 seconds | ||
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On September 27 2011 00:32 MorroW wrote: so u dont get apm by spamming 2323232 but u get apm by spamming move command on the ground with ur scouting worker even if u click him to move to the same location? to me the only logical way to count apm is by counting everything or excluding all sorts of spam, that includes move commands or attack commands that doesnt make a difference. for example clicking to move ur scouting overlord 50 times behind ur opponents natural in the same spot before he gets there should also count as spamming. but its too hard to make a realistic and 100% fair EAPM so by that being said i think the apm bar should include all sorts of spamming. even if u just sit and do 232323 because thats not any worse than ordering your unit to move to same location/direction multiple times within 0.1 seconds Exactly. And Blizzard's system didn't include camera hotkeys and minimap clicks either pre-patch, and I think they should have. And I could be wrong but double tapping to center the group on the screen is not considered 2 actions but just 1 pre-patch (0 in this one?). Basically all camera movement methods were not considered APM, although they're most likely part of the most meaningful "Actions", and are the best numerical measure we have of "good multitasking". | ||
Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:48 ExquisiteRed wrote: Those Ret replays are from before the patch. I actually haven't seen any pro replays from after patch 1.4 though, kinda curious what their apm is now. Oh right, sorry. I'm also curious to see the numbers, just not sure where to start looking. | ||
darthcaesar
United States475 Posts
Personally I dropped from 140-150 to around 110. | ||
merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On September 27 2011 02:29 darthcaesar wrote: I'm really curious what ViBE and merZ's APM is now. Personally I dropped from 140-150 to around 110. For me it constantly keeps moving up the longer the game goes (which makes sense obviously). 10 minute game I'll barely hit 100, 15 minute game im around 120, 30 min game im at 150+ etc.. | ||
Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On September 27 2011 00:06 jojoleb wrote: for me honestly my APM has stayed same or in last few games were a bit higher ! at around 150 to 170 APM ! which surprised me as i'm just a platinum ZERG player ! jojo.554 I find that hard to believe.... Are you looking at sc2gears or the actual sc2 replay? I get about 240 apm on sc2gears and about 100 in game now. | ||
Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
On August 26 2011 22:30 Geovu wrote: Bad IMO. I will still do the 'tapping' stuff either way, because it is actually necessary and helpful, but it just won't get counted. In BW clicking on the minimap counted as an action iirc. Blizzard should just stop screwing with crap that wasn't even invented by blizzard. Also fix the 'minute' part of APM, make it count for 60 REAL seconds, because that is what a 'minute' IS. The only thing this will be helpful for is for people like merz who abuse the system, and for Vibe as well, since he does jack all with his 500 APM lol and everyone knows it. The thing is is that 'everyone' already knows to ignore the obvious spammers because they are playing shitty despite having 300+ APM. On August 26 2011 22:30 Geovu wrote:Blizzard should just stop screwing with crap that wasn't even invented by blizzard. I agree with your first two paragraphs, especially the rerequoted part. merz has always stated that it's more comfortable for him to keep his fingers moving at that pace. He's not "abusing the system". He is well aware that his game decision making and overarching strategies are his limiting reagents. I'm not really into bashing players for what you think they're thinking rather than what they are actually thinking. | ||
MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
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megaBICEPS
Canada79 Posts
On September 27 2011 05:26 MenSol[ZerO] wrote: i feel like this new apm system rewards players who use mouse clciks a lot more then hotkey commands Only spamming move commands, clicking buildings or units doesn't count towards apm either I don't think. | ||
Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
On September 27 2011 05:28 megaBICEPS wrote: Only spamming move commands, clicking buildings or units doesn't count towards apm either I don't think. It rewards players with a spasmic middle finger.. jokes aside, this change makes close to no sense at all already and neither does it matter. | ||
QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
most games im 115-130 since 1.4, where as in pre 1.4 i was 130-160 | ||
Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On September 27 2011 00:42 ZenithM wrote: Exactly. And Blizzard's system didn't include camera hotkeys and minimap clicks either pre-patch, and I think they should have. And I could be wrong but double tapping to center the group on the screen is not considered 2 actions but just 1 pre-patch (0 in this one?). Basically all camera movement methods were not considered APM, although they're most likely part of the most meaningful "Actions", and are the best numerical measure we have of "good multitasking". Yeah, it's 1 action pre-patch. 1 action to select the group, and then the second tap that sends you camera over does not count for anything. In the current patch, if the selection is not preceded by other selections, then it still counts as an action. Otherwise, it does not. | ||
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