EPTWhy 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 91
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link0
United States1071 Posts
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:38 DertoQq wrote: Artosis on GSL basically said "Protoss should stop playing so greedy. 1-gate expand vs 1 base all-in terran, what did he expected ?" Can someone tell him how wrong he is ? : < I know, that was strange - the first time in a long time I've observed Artosis to be outdated in his analysis. | ||
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kvmetternich
Italy35 Posts
And, as a side effect, this can resolve the harrass problem vs Zerg. Just imagine a dt/phoenix combo with phoenix that takes cover to the dts... :D Sorry for my bad English!  | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:43 w_Ender_w wrote: I think it's a pretty apt analogy. Both are hard to scout (well, hard to scout what specific variation) and the push can happen unexpectedly. Eventually Zerg players figured out how to play less greedy without giving up an advantage, and it fell by the wayside. I think the Zerg over-all winrate for that GSL was probably similar to the Protoss over-all winrate is now in that match up. Even when they know its coming, protoss players will most likely lose, that's the thing. Look at the last game of Puma vs MC, MC had like 10min to prepare to the all-in, he knew since the start it was coming, but couldn't do anything. This would never happen with a 2rax scv all-in. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:44 link0 wrote: How is this all-in much different from one of the many Protoss 1 base all-ins such as the 3G VR? If scouted this build is still extremely hard to stop. (if not impossible properly executed) If you scout any other all in you can defend it. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:46 DertoQq wrote: Even when they know its coming, protoss players will most likely lose, that's the thing. Look at the last game of Puma vs MC, MC had like 10min to prepare to the all-in, he knew since the start it was coming, but couldn't do anything. This would never happen with a 2rax scv all-in. With more practice, they'll learn to adapt to it, especially if they know it's coming. | ||
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Shagg
Finland825 Posts
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IVN
534 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:44 link0 wrote: How is this all-in much different from one of the many Protoss 1 base all-ins such as the 3G VR? If you scout 3g VR, you put down 2 bunkers, and its easy mode from there. If you scout 111, you die regardless. | ||
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truewt
Singapore121 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:48 Dalavita wrote: With more practice, they'll learn to adapt to it, especially if they know it's coming. But it's not that the P pros are not practicing enough, is that the case? But look at the many GSL/IEM games, even if you scout/guess it happens, the P players lose majority of the games. | ||
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
Dealing with 1-1-1 , tons of strats come to mind, like the phoenix or 1 gate robo open Tyler mentioned. I think the worst thing protoss players can do is basically plea helplessness. Now lets terrans make a thread about a voidray cheeses, even though just like 1-1-1 they are holdable. MC said it himself "1-1-1 is holdable if u scout well" | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:44 link0 wrote: How is this all-in much different from one of the many Protoss 1 base all-ins such as the 3G VR? Because this time it's those OTHER guys doing it! And those OTHER guys playing that OTHER race have it easier then US guys playing OUR race! On August 23 2011 21:46 DertoQq wrote: Even when they know its coming, protoss players will most likely lose, that's the thing. Look at the last game of Puma vs MC, MC had like 10min to prepare to the all-in, he knew since the start it was coming, but couldn't do anything. This would never happen with a 2rax scv all-in. Dude the GSL was full of examples of Zerg players trying different things to stop a 2-rax all-in and fail. Eventually they got it. Just because MC tried things and it didn't work doesn't mean he was trying the right thing to do and it's just unstoppable, and let's be honest the things MC tried to do were pretty all over the place. But his phoenix opening did stop the 1 base timing in that game three, he just lost the over-all game. | ||
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mazqo
Finland368 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:44 link0 wrote: How is this all-in much different from one of the many Protoss 1 base all-ins such as the 3G VR? Every protoss allin is counterable with std buildorder while siegemarinebanshee is extremely hard to counter even if you do blind counter | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:45 Paradice wrote: I know, that was strange - the first time in a long time I've observed Artosis to be outdated in his analysis. If you read Tylers reply to this thread, you see him being just as wrong. 1 gate expo is best, just gotta cut probes when terran doesn't expand. | ||
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Pepe-
Germany87 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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Barkziee
United Kingdom138 Posts
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Bensio
United Kingdom621 Posts
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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
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SolidGasPro
93 Posts
Genius owned, so I guess it's time for Terran to QQ? Nah, we don't QQ | ||
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