EPTOn August 23 2011 21:15 DertoQq wrote:
Didn't Killer lost like 3 time in a row trying to nexus first ?
Didn't Killer lost like 3 time in a row trying to nexus first ?
Well ironically the one game he won was against a 1-1-1 all-in.
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
Well ironically the one game he won was against a 1-1-1 all-in. | ||
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ClueLessx3
Australia53 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:16 Yaotzin wrote: People look pretty close to race switching, as Zergs were before the patches saved them. Many Protoss look on tilt from the start in PvT, including MC. Agreed been off racing as Zerg for a few weeks cause i just don't wanna touch protoss at this state losing to it makes me rage QQ | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:00 ClueLessx3 wrote: What about hallucinations? - Sentries hallucinating a few more zealots to make your main army more robust. - FF All the marines towards you and let the splash dmg from the Siege tank work in our favour - Sentries can't be PDDed so destroy it by focusing it down. If possible snipe the raven * Possible contain to delay the push and thus getting more units out to deal with it So that's the pros. Cons: - Uses too much gas, meaning slow tech and therefore slower robo for the observer. - Sentries are really fragile and can be focused down easily (:0 siege tank target fire them, painful to watch QQ - Need a lot of them for GS, FF and Hallucination thus hurting your main army What do you think? :x Um....The 1-1-1 PDD push has a Raven O_o. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:18 blooblooblahblah wrote: Well ironically the one game he won was against a 1-1-1 all-in. Why would you say "ironically" ? The build is made to beat 1-1-1 all-in, it would have been ironical if he had lost this one also ^^ | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
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ClueLessx3
Australia53 Posts
I was thinking of sniping it...somehow =3= dw i'm running out of ideas Lets watch the gsl to see if he holds the 111 :D CMON YOU CAN DO IT GENIUS! | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:23 Toadvine wrote: Even if I wanted to race switch, I don't like playing Terran at all. I like Zerg, but ZvZ makes me want to kill myself, can't stand that matchup for some reason. Besides, it's not like I keep losing to this, I just 1 base all-in and the average Masters player doesn't have the execution needed to defend with a 1/1/1 opening. 3 Gate VR and the 4 Gate Warp Prism work quite well. Ya it's not really an issue at our scrub level because the Terrans don't know how to defend a whole bunch of allins in response. But when they do.... | ||
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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:16 Yaotzin wrote: People look pretty close to race switching, as Zergs were before the patches saved them. Many Protoss look on tilt from the start in PvT, including MC. I don't think you're giving professional protoss and zerg players enough credit. Patches didn't give Nestea and MC their GSL wins. Sure, in the past some things have changed (notably 5 rax reaper was nerfed, but honestly I bet if they left it in Zergs would be stopping it today though the metagame would look completely different). I mean just look at the whole 2 rax/pulled SCV all-in trend that looked unstoppable for almost an entire GSL. Nothing really changed, but now most Terran's don't do that because it got 'solved' to an extent. Alicia made a post on twitter. I bet he's still practicing every day, not waiting for a patch to solve his problems or switching his race. | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
:D LOLz, made my day. But seriously, isnt he already the most popular terran player in the world? | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
no, it would not make hydras useless, you can only fight hydras with phoenix if you have 1 phoenix for each hydra, so energy almost never is a problem. and the counter to mas phoenix is not hydra, the counter is spore crawlers or corruptors. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:27 w_Ender_w wrote: Alicia made a post on twitter. I bet he's still practicing every day, not waiting for a patch to solve his problems or switching his race. Probably. But probably not much PvT, and he'll probably just allin a bunch. Look at the ludicrous G3 of MC v Puma to see how insane this is making Protoss players. Phoenix into blink into DT into hidden base into base trade to try and beat it. Nobody has a clue what to do and they've basically given up trying. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:27 w_Ender_w wrote: I mean just look at the whole 2 rax/pulled SCV all-in trend that looked unstoppable for almost an entire GSL. Nothing really changed, but now most Terran's don't do that because it got 'solved' to an extent. kinda different, it was never "unstoppable", it was just really hard to scout and happened unexpectedly. But if you know its coming, you don't lose. Like any all-in. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
If Protoss is to compete one-base to one-base with Terran, perhaps Protoss need to open with faster gas. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:29 IVN wrote: :D LOLz, made my day. But seriously, isnt he already the most popular terran player in the world? He was probably jealous of the "sick nerd baller" MC ^_^ | ||
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:29 Yaotzin wrote: Probably. But probably not much PvT, and he'll probably just allin a bunch. Look at the ludicrous G3 of MC v Puma to see how insane this is making Protoss players. Phoenix into blink into DT into hidden base into base trade to try and beat it. Nobody has a clue what to do and they've basically given up trying. That every Protoss player in the world has given up is quite the assumption to make. | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:24 ClueLessx3 wrote: I was thinking of sniping it...somehow =3= dw i'm running out of ideas Lets watch the gsl to see if he holds the 111 :D CMON YOU CAN DO IT GENIUS! Owned hard. Although this wasnt the exact build we are discussing here. Stimed marines with shields + tanks and medivacs of one base. I think the problem is either the MULE, which makes sooooo many marines for terran possible, or the marines are too strong. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
Can someone tell him how wrong he is ? : < | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Genius just lost his first game to 1-1-1 but there was no banshees or ravens and he scouted the MT just as they were moving out so only got 1 immortal and messed up his ffs losing about 5 ffs with only 1 marine killed. | ||
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
On August 23 2011 21:31 DertoQq wrote: kinda different, it was never "unstoppable", it was just really hard to scout and happened unexpectedly. But if you know its coming, you don't lose. Like any all-in. I think it's a pretty apt analogy. Both are hard to scout (well, hard to scout what specific variation) and the push can happen unexpectedly. Eventually Zerg players figured out how to play less greedy without giving up an advantage, and it fell by the wayside. I think the Zerg over-all winrate for that GSL was probably similar to the Protoss over-all winrate is now in that match up. | ||
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