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On August 23 2011 19:56 Sweetness.751 wrote:
That means if I scout 1rax Expand or 1rax into tech (factory and/or Starport) what do I get? I immediately make a robo. YES that is right I go 1gate expand into Robo. Its called using the information that is given to you, people. You need to know when you can cut corners, and when you cant. After I scout his base i get 2 more gates to make it a solid 3gate robo with an expo. Then I use the information from my observer to counter the Terran play style. You will easily have the time and resources to be on 5+ gates and a robo to crush this all-in. Just remember 2gas is all you really need and when you can get all 4 gas either make a Stargate for Phoenix or get a Robo Bay for Colosi.
Its all about information, that is why we scout. Use what the Terran gives you and you will be fine.
And what do you do if you only scout 2 supplydepots, a Barracks and a Marine? -_-
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This actually explains it so well, i am starting to think it actually is imbalanced. Very persuasive piece!
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On August 23 2011 19:58 Binabik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 19:56 Sweetness.751 wrote:
That means if I scout 1rax Expand or 1rax into tech (factory and/or Starport) what do I get? I immediately make a robo. YES that is right I go 1gate expand into Robo. Its called using the information that is given to you, people. You need to know when you can cut corners, and when you cant. After I scout his base i get 2 more gates to make it a solid 3gate robo with an expo. Then I use the information from my observer to counter the Terran play style. You will easily have the time and resources to be on 5+ gates and a robo to crush this all-in. Just remember 2gas is all you really need and when you can get all 4 gas either make a Stargate for Phoenix or get a Robo Bay for Colosi.
Its all about information, that is why we scout. Use what the Terran gives you and you will be fine. And what do you do if you only scout 2 supplydepots, a Barracks and a Marine? -_-
He dies to a hidden 2rax just like MC does to Polt when he does exactly what the quoted guy recommends doing.
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Hey, could anyone provide me with some replays of this build? I'd like to check out what all the fuzz is about. Thanks!
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On August 23 2011 19:37 Lyyna wrote:
Omg Tank Imba >> nerf tank
OMG Stim push imba >> nerf stim
Omg Drop imba >> nerf medivac
ZOMG THOR IMBA >> nerf thor
OMGOMGOMG 111 imba - nerf marines,tanks, banshees,raven
Seriously . . . this build is around for really little time, wait a bit to see if somebody can find the counter.
The funniest thing is that,when somebody come and say 'i have a way to beat it: blablablabla', everybody start to bash him with 'no no, in theory it'll not work,you noob'
Little time? Lol. Do you even watch pros or play this game at a decent level? I don't think so.
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On August 23 2011 20:03 anoka wrote:
Hey, could anyone provide me with some replays of this build? I'd like to check out what all the fuzz is about. Thanks!
Just check out any PvT BoX you can find from the past 6 weeks... The most recent is Mc-Puma, the IEM finals from Cologne, you can find replays on esl.tv
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On August 23 2011 20:09 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 19:37 Lyyna wrote:
Omg Tank Imba >> nerf tank
OMG Stim push imba >> nerf stim
Omg Drop imba >> nerf medivac
ZOMG THOR IMBA >> nerf thor
OMGOMGOMG 111 imba - nerf marines,tanks, banshees,raven
Seriously . . . this build is around for really little time, wait a bit to see if somebody can find the counter.
The funniest thing is that,when somebody come and say 'i have a way to beat it: blablablabla', everybody start to bash him with 'no no, in theory it'll not work,you noob' Little time? Lol. Do you even watch pros or play this game at a decent level? I don't think so.
I'll just let you read my previous answer on the last page about this, and all other's people answers on the whole thread , my dear
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On August 23 2011 20:03 anoka wrote:
Hey, could anyone provide me with some replays of this build? I'd like to check out what all the fuzz is about. Thanks!
Read as: Hey, can anyone provide me with some replays so I can steal this build and win vP?
It had to be done, you know it 
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On August 23 2011 19:56 Sweetness.751 wrote:
My two cents is this. Though it is a really good push. I find it relatively easy to hold. It all comes down to scouting.
First off I always 1gate expand vs Terran if I can help it.
1.) If you see a lot of marines at the top of the ramp and no CC (especially with a bunker) you know he is teching. Which means they have little production at the moment and can't attack.
2.) If say on Shakuras or Tal'darim they have marines at their natural ramp, then you know they expanded (or are pretending). Which means then have little production at the moment and can't attack.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
If they have little units at the moment it means they cant pressure you!
When the Zerg knows they can't be pressured, they drone. When Protoss knows they cant be pressured, they TECH!
That means if I scout 1rax Expand or 1rax into tech (factory and/or Starport) what do I get? I immediately make a robo. YES that is right I go 1gate expand into Robo. Its called using the information that is given to you, people. You need to know when you can cut corners, and when you cant. After I scout his base i get 2 more gates to make it a solid 3gate robo with an expo. Then I use the information from my observer to counter the Terran play style. You will easily have the time and resources to be on 5+ gates and a robo to crush this all-in. Just remember 2gas is all you really need and when you can get all 4 gas either make a Stargate for Phoenix or get a Robo Bay for Colosi.
Its all about information, that is why we scout. Use what the Terran gives you and you will be fine.
1:What was the last high level TvP you have seen?
2:Did you read the OP?
3: Making a robo immediately is what people do and its not some genius thing you've just invented.
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On August 23 2011 20:01 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 19:58 Binabik wrote:On August 23 2011 19:56 Sweetness.751 wrote:
That means if I scout 1rax Expand or 1rax into tech (factory and/or Starport) what do I get? I immediately make a robo. YES that is right I go 1gate expand into Robo. Its called using the information that is given to you, people. You need to know when you can cut corners, and when you cant. After I scout his base i get 2 more gates to make it a solid 3gate robo with an expo. Then I use the information from my observer to counter the Terran play style. You will easily have the time and resources to be on 5+ gates and a robo to crush this all-in. Just remember 2gas is all you really need and when you can get all 4 gas either make a Stargate for Phoenix or get a Robo Bay for Colosi.
Its all about information, that is why we scout. Use what the Terran gives you and you will be fine. And what do you do if you only scout 2 supplydepots, a Barracks and a Marine? -_- He dies to a hidden 2rax just like MC does to Polt when he does exactly what the quoted guy recommends doing.
The standard 2rax is easily scoutable : the reactor comes just after the marine, and the second rax is BEFORE the second depot. If you see 2 depots, the only 2rax he can do is a shitty one...
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I think if people played as much as they theorycrafted in this thread someone might come up with a solution to 1/1/1 
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remove addonswitchingpossibility, give the buildings static addons...
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On August 23 2011 20:19 NormandyBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 20:01 Yaotzin wrote:On August 23 2011 19:58 Binabik wrote:On August 23 2011 19:56 Sweetness.751 wrote:
That means if I scout 1rax Expand or 1rax into tech (factory and/or Starport) what do I get? I immediately make a robo. YES that is right I go 1gate expand into Robo. Its called using the information that is given to you, people. You need to know when you can cut corners, and when you cant. After I scout his base i get 2 more gates to make it a solid 3gate robo with an expo. Then I use the information from my observer to counter the Terran play style. You will easily have the time and resources to be on 5+ gates and a robo to crush this all-in. Just remember 2gas is all you really need and when you can get all 4 gas either make a Stargate for Phoenix or get a Robo Bay for Colosi.
Its all about information, that is why we scout. Use what the Terran gives you and you will be fine. And what do you do if you only scout 2 supplydepots, a Barracks and a Marine? -_- He dies to a hidden 2rax just like MC does to Polt when he does exactly what the quoted guy recommends doing. The standard 2rax is easily scoutable : the reactor comes just after the marine, and the second rax is BEFORE the second depot. If you see 2 depots, the only 2rax he can do is a shitty one...
It doesn't have to be a great one to kill a 1gate expo into robo.
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On August 23 2011 20:21 w_Ender_w wrote:I think if people played as much as they theorycrafted in this thread someone might come up with a solution to 1/1/1
u mean guys like Alicia who only write on twitter about 1-1-1 and not play at all right?
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On August 23 2011 20:23 Willes wrote:
remove addonswitchingpossibility, give the buildings static addons...
Yea, remove an entire innovative mechanic and break all build orders for all matchups. All this only to nerf 1 Terran allin that Protoss don't have a solution against YET -_-.
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On August 23 2011 20:28 Joseph123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 20:21 w_Ender_w wrote:I think if people played as much as they theorycrafted in this thread someone might come up with a solution to 1/1/1 u mean guys like Alicia who only write on twitter about 1-1-1 and not play at all right?
Sorry, I must have missed Alicia's posts about what Terran units need to be nerfed to solve 1 build
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On August 23 2011 20:32 w_Ender_w wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 20:28 Joseph123 wrote:On August 23 2011 20:21 w_Ender_w wrote:I think if people played as much as they theorycrafted in this thread someone might come up with a solution to 1/1/1 u mean guys like Alicia who only write on twitter about 1-1-1 and not play at all right? Sorry, I must have missed Alicia's posts about what Terran units need to be nerfed to solve 1 build
so now Alicia is a balance designer?
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On August 23 2011 20:21 w_Ender_w wrote:I think if people played as much as they theorycrafted in this thread someone might come up with a solution to 1/1/1
I have done some testing ingame, and I don't think there's any good. The best is the standard now and that is the 5 gateway with immortal and 1 gate + fe, 15 nexus is good also if u can get away with it.
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sorry if this was mentioned, i was thinking that maybe we can make starport requires an armory?
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imo, the easiest way to fix that is to reduce pdd from 3mins to 30 sec. Let's be honest there is no reasons for it to last that long.
That would not nerf any other terran's strategy. The all in would still be really hard to deal with, that's cool, all ins are supposed to be hard to deal with, but by baiting the pdd you'd be able to do much more damage on the next encounter.
I'm terran btw
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