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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 20:56:37
August 17 2011 20:52 GMT
#321
On August 18 2011 05:47 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 05:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:39 Luepert wrote:
I find it funny how people discount the WC,
When MVP beats Marinekindprime in gsl, it counts
When MVP beats Marinekingprime in WC, it doesn't count???
Its the same guy...


That's a pretty shortsighted argument. The WC is one round shorter than Code S, and the missing round is the incredibly volatile group stage, while the WC is 2 rounds shorter than the ST and Open GSLs. By your logic, I could have a one-round GSL with just MVP and MKP, and count that as well if MVP beats MKP again, because "it's the same guy".


My argument was directed at the people who were saying the WC had no skill in it while the real contenders were actually the same as in the GSLs.


Oh, the WC definitely had skill in it. My argument is: let's say you can have a 16-man tournament with 16 good players, compared to a 32-man tournament with those same 16 players plus 16 more good players (not exactly accurate in terms of players, but this is a conceptual argument). The 32-man tournament is simply the harder one due to length, and if you add in the fact that the first round is the group stage, it's even harder.
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
August 17 2011 20:53 GMT
#322
How are people whining over this?
We havent seen MVP outside of Korea and MC has already been to a crapload of foreign tournaments....

In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
August 17 2011 20:54 GMT
#323
Would've thought MC beat MVP in ranking points? Oh well, MVP definately is good pick too. And will be awesome to see nestea in foreign LAN. Actually, he probably would be there anyway for gsl oct finals
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 17 2011 20:55 GMT
#324
On August 18 2011 05:46 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:35 Luepert wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:26 zerious wrote:
lol people mad because MC didn't get to Blizzcon, he had his chance and got destroyed by MVP.


I'm not mad about that. I'm mad that he didn't get to go due to a perfectly legitimate achievement being discounted. Please don't pretend that the Open seasons are somehow not achievements anymore just because they occurred last year. On paper, MVP has more points in a system that doesn't count an entire GSL win for MC. That's the reality of things, and I guess if you like MVP more than MC, you'll rationalize that for yourself, but if you wanted a truly accurate measure of achievements, I can't think of any argument that would successfully prove that the Open season achievements shouldn't be counted. The only thing keeping them from being counted is an arbitrary cutoff.


blizzcon 2011 is only based on 2011 results, i know mc has 2 gsls but one was 2010.


Yes, I know. That's what my argument is about, dude. I realize that MC just got screwed by the system, but there are all these people that believe that MVP is simply more accomplished than MC overall and refer to the point system as if it's infallible. A more accurate statement would be, "MVP is more accomplished than MC this year". That's why I'm emphasizing my point about "truly accurate" measuring of achievements, because if you make the cutoff point at the start of this year, that's losing some accuracy, no? I'm not saying Blizzcon should count points that way, because it's Blizzcon 2011, so that makes sense. I'm just saying that the current points system isn't a truly accurate representation of achievements.


Its like people still saying fruit dealer is still up there, he got jipped just as mush as MC, 5000, if he had that he would look like a contender too, but obviously he hasnt had much going on in 2011. No matter how inaacurate the system mvp is still better demonstrated by winning mlg and actually beating him.


I don't see how MVP winning MLG is a good argument. MC has won or placed high in several foreign tournaments, including Dreamhack, NASL, and Homestory (some of which had very strong Koreans), and a Bo1 isn't a good argument either. I'm looking at overall achievements here, not just immediate ones, because I feel like they provide a more accurate picture.
Grimjaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
178 Posts
August 17 2011 20:56 GMT
#325
Operation Destroy-Foreigner-Hope commence.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 17 2011 20:57 GMT
#326
This only makes me sadder about MC not making it

I think he only needed to make it to the semis or finals last GSL to beat -mvp in points
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Bomber.
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden8 Posts
August 17 2011 21:11 GMT
#327
Well that's the top two.
Sweden fighting
EventHorizoN
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany101 Posts
August 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#328
I think we got the winner and the runner up already! :D
Urlacher
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
August 17 2011 21:52 GMT
#329
Cool, Nestea Fighting! its going to be an awesome blizzcon
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Haegr9599
Profile Joined April 2011
United States210 Posts
August 17 2011 21:53 GMT
#330
nestea finally at another foreign tournement, now he gets to take our money!!!!! X(

On a serious note, NESTEA FUCKING FIGHTING!!!!!!
I choose my friends for their good looks, my acquaintances for their good characters, and my enemies for their intellects. A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
August 17 2011 21:54 GMT
#331
Nestea SMASHING some nerds, cannot wait
no dude, the question
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
August 17 2011 21:54 GMT
#332
INSTA-BET on NESTEA.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
August 17 2011 21:55 GMT
#333
I'm sure plenty of people here will call me a blasphemer and demand that I am burnt at the stake, but I think that Mvp would be NesTea if they played. Mvp's TvZ is pretty much one of the scariest match-ups I've seen like NesTea's ZvZ or Polt's TvP. And let's be completely honest, NesTea's ZvT is his weakest match-up (and by that I mean that occasionally he looks almost mortal in it). Then again they're teammates so they know each other's styles and decision making as well as they know their own, so really if the two of them played it would be a really interesting match (Ro16 so excited ^^, sad that one has to leave GSL so early though ).
On August 18 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 05:46 Luepert wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:35 Luepert wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:26 zerious wrote:
lol people mad because MC didn't get to Blizzcon, he had his chance and got destroyed by MVP.


I'm not mad about that. I'm mad that he didn't get to go due to a perfectly legitimate achievement being discounted. Please don't pretend that the Open seasons are somehow not achievements anymore just because they occurred last year. On paper, MVP has more points in a system that doesn't count an entire GSL win for MC. That's the reality of things, and I guess if you like MVP more than MC, you'll rationalize that for yourself, but if you wanted a truly accurate measure of achievements, I can't think of any argument that would successfully prove that the Open season achievements shouldn't be counted. The only thing keeping them from being counted is an arbitrary cutoff.


blizzcon 2011 is only based on 2011 results, i know mc has 2 gsls but one was 2010.


Yes, I know. That's what my argument is about, dude. I realize that MC just got screwed by the system, but there are all these people that believe that MVP is simply more accomplished than MC overall and refer to the point system as if it's infallible. A more accurate statement would be, "MVP is more accomplished than MC this year". That's why I'm emphasizing my point about "truly accurate" measuring of achievements, because if you make the cutoff point at the start of this year, that's losing some accuracy, no? I'm not saying Blizzcon should count points that way, because it's Blizzcon 2011, so that makes sense. I'm just saying that the current points system isn't a truly accurate representation of achievements.


Its like people still saying fruit dealer is still up there, he got jipped just as mush as MC, 5000, if he had that he would look like a contender too, but obviously he hasnt had much going on in 2011. No matter how inaacurate the system mvp is still better demonstrated by winning mlg and actually beating him.


I don't see how MVP winning MLG is a good argument. MC has won or placed high in several foreign tournaments, including Dreamhack, NASL, and Homestory (some of which had very strong Koreans), and a Bo1 isn't a good argument either. I'm looking at overall achievements here, not just immediate ones, because I feel like they provide a more accurate picture.

Just admit you're wrong. Blizzcon 2011, the invites should be based on a player's 2011 record as opposed to their lifetime record. Mvp didn't go to any of those three events that you mentioned, whereas both MC and Mvp both got invites to MLGs. And I don't know if you remember, but despite MC's "are you angry?" (which easily is the second best thing to ever happen at an MLG after HuK's imaginary brigade of Void Rays winning him the game), he came in 3rd place. Whereas Mvp came in 1st. Granted, it was different tournaments, but he still placed higher. Plus, it might have been a Bo1, but did you watch Mvp vs MC? Mvp looked like he completely outclassed MC and as we all know TvP is not Mvp's strong point (nor is PvT MC's strongest point, but regardless). Mvp is more qualified, quit trying to sell himself short and try to make yourself think that you're right. You want a system that is messed up? Check out MLG's system where you play poorly-mediocre and remain in the invited groups. GSL has a great system, and GL HF to both IM members! ^^
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
August 17 2011 21:57 GMT
#334
MVP all the way will take it
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
August 17 2011 22:06 GMT
#335
On August 18 2011 05:53 SKYFISH_ wrote:
How are people whining over this?
We havent seen MVP outside of Korea and MC has already been to a crapload of foreign tournaments....


Better keep youself informed, lol
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Anaheim
SelectStaR
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom129 Posts
August 17 2011 22:18 GMT
#336
amazing..il be buying the e-ticket just because Nestea is there
Lead By Example
OrangeApples
Profile Joined January 2011
137 Posts
August 17 2011 22:21 GMT
#337
I feel sorry for all the people that have to play mainly nestea... and mvp 2nd.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
August 17 2011 22:23 GMT
#338
I'm sorry to end this protoss mc fanboyism, but Blizzard chose this format. "As previously announced, the Korean invites were to be the top 2 players in GSL rankings as of September 10, 2011" MC already had his chance to pass up MVP but he lost to him so he will not pass him, stop saying MC was skrewwed, he chose the champion for his group and it bit him in the ass, its his own fault.
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
August 17 2011 22:24 GMT
#339
On August 18 2011 06:55 The Final Boss wrote:
I'm sure plenty of people here will call me a blasphemer and demand that I am burnt at the stake, but I think that Mvp would be NesTea if they played. Mvp's TvZ is pretty much one of the scariest match-ups I've seen like NesTea's ZvZ or Polt's TvP. And let's be completely honest, NesTea's ZvT is his weakest match-up (and by that I mean that occasionally he looks almost mortal in it). Then again they're teammates so they know each other's styles and decision making as well as they know their own, so really if the two of them played it would be a really interesting match (Ro16 so excited ^^, sad that one has to leave GSL so early though ).
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:46 Luepert wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:35 Luepert wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 18 2011 05:26 zerious wrote:
lol people mad because MC didn't get to Blizzcon, he had his chance and got destroyed by MVP.


I'm not mad about that. I'm mad that he didn't get to go due to a perfectly legitimate achievement being discounted. Please don't pretend that the Open seasons are somehow not achievements anymore just because they occurred last year. On paper, MVP has more points in a system that doesn't count an entire GSL win for MC. That's the reality of things, and I guess if you like MVP more than MC, you'll rationalize that for yourself, but if you wanted a truly accurate measure of achievements, I can't think of any argument that would successfully prove that the Open season achievements shouldn't be counted. The only thing keeping them from being counted is an arbitrary cutoff.


blizzcon 2011 is only based on 2011 results, i know mc has 2 gsls but one was 2010.


Yes, I know. That's what my argument is about, dude. I realize that MC just got screwed by the system, but there are all these people that believe that MVP is simply more accomplished than MC overall and refer to the point system as if it's infallible. A more accurate statement would be, "MVP is more accomplished than MC this year". That's why I'm emphasizing my point about "truly accurate" measuring of achievements, because if you make the cutoff point at the start of this year, that's losing some accuracy, no? I'm not saying Blizzcon should count points that way, because it's Blizzcon 2011, so that makes sense. I'm just saying that the current points system isn't a truly accurate representation of achievements.


Its like people still saying fruit dealer is still up there, he got jipped just as mush as MC, 5000, if he had that he would look like a contender too, but obviously he hasnt had much going on in 2011. No matter how inaacurate the system mvp is still better demonstrated by winning mlg and actually beating him.


I don't see how MVP winning MLG is a good argument. MC has won or placed high in several foreign tournaments, including Dreamhack, NASL, and Homestory (some of which had very strong Koreans), and a Bo1 isn't a good argument either. I'm looking at overall achievements here, not just immediate ones, because I feel like they provide a more accurate picture.

Just admit you're wrong. Blizzcon 2011, the invites should be based on a player's 2011 record as opposed to their lifetime record. Mvp didn't go to any of those three events that you mentioned, whereas both MC and Mvp both got invites to MLGs. And I don't know if you remember, but despite MC's "are you angry?" (which easily is the second best thing to ever happen at an MLG after HuK's imaginary brigade of Void Rays winning him the game), he came in 3rd place. Whereas Mvp came in 1st. Granted, it was different tournaments, but he still placed higher. Plus, it might have been a Bo1, but did you watch Mvp vs MC? Mvp looked like he completely outclassed MC and as we all know TvP is not Mvp's strong point (nor is PvT MC's strongest point, but regardless). Mvp is more qualified, quit trying to sell himself short and try to make yourself think that you're right. You want a system that is messed up? Check out MLG's system where you play poorly-mediocre and remain in the invited groups. GSL has a great system, and GL HF to both IM members! ^^


I'd say MMA has a bit better TvZ than MVP, but those two are definitely the two best TvZers in the world, and it could go either way. However, I think Nestea can beat MVP. The last time they played were on xelnaga, old shakuras, blistering sands, and jungle basin (terran auto-win), with Nestea winning the only map close to balanced. It's a bo3, though, which probably puts it in MVP's favor.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
August 17 2011 22:29 GMT
#340
On August 17 2011 14:38 MyLastSerenade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 14:35 ch33psh33p wrote:
Nestea Vs Mvp finals at Blizzcon.

Nestea V Mvp Gsl finals in Blizzcon.

100% happening.


i feel like nestea would easily win both.


I wish Korea woulda sent a more representative team, like MC or Bomber. These two aren't even from Korea, they are from Go(d)rea. It is unfair!

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