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Tanuki
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation51 Posts
August 17 2011 19:46 GMT
#281
2 certain IM players are getting paaaaiiiid! =)
Seriously, very excited about the invites. I hope, Blizz won't mess up the bracket, so these 2 can meet in the finals.
Dub_doubt
Profile Joined June 2011
United States86 Posts
August 17 2011 19:47 GMT
#282
What's the prize for first place at Blizzcon?
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
August 17 2011 19:53 GMT
#283
This is the only news that matters, anywhere.

They need to sell more Blizzcon tickets to SC2 fans only :D
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
August 17 2011 19:58 GMT
#284
On August 18 2011 04:46 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Just hope nestea gets a draw against T players! Hell, I remember a few days ago watching kawaiirice play, he drew nestea on KR and pretty much just controlled the entire game and won in easy fashion.

I always like my terran players to knock out legends/kings of other races


Haha, you know Nestea doesn't play ladder seriously. From what I read, it was imbalanced positions anyways, so Nestea just blindly went all-in to move onto the next game.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
LolitsPing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States285 Posts
August 17 2011 19:58 GMT
#285
WHOOO BLIZZCON
hopefully when GSL comes around in october they'll both be in the finals too =D
Citius, Altius, Fortius
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
August 17 2011 20:04 GMT
#286
On August 18 2011 04:09 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 22:02 MattBarry wrote:
MVP has only won 1 gsl. Mlg had more Koreans than GSLWC.


How is that relevant? GSLWC had the best koreans and thats what matters. He has 2 GSL titles, regardless of how hard each one was. MVP also has the second best GSL run after Nestea. Nestea won without dropping any map, MVP won dropping only a single map (To Nestea). MVP did have a significantly harder run that season than Nestea, in terms of opponents.


MVP is the best Terran in the world. He's absolutely ridiculously good. That doesn't change the fact that GSLWC was only 8 Koreans
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Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 17 2011 20:05 GMT
#287
On August 18 2011 04:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 03:52 Huragius wrote:
On August 17 2011 22:02 MattBarry wrote:
MVP has only won 1 gsl. Mlg had more Koreans than GSLWC.


Get your facts straight before you post something.


Think what he's getting at is MVP's 2nd championship was the world championship which isn't the same as a regular season of the gsl.

I kind of agree. I see him as more like 1 1/2 time gsl champ. GSLWC began at a ro16, with no group stage, and half code-S Koreans (not all of which were the best). But whatever, we all know MVP is gsl champion material.

Open seasons were not the same as regular seasons either, and yet everybody is taking them into consideration. I don't see why the WC shouldn't count.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
August 17 2011 20:06 GMT
#288
On August 18 2011 04:58 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:46 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Just hope nestea gets a draw against T players! Hell, I remember a few days ago watching kawaiirice play, he drew nestea on KR and pretty much just controlled the entire game and won in easy fashion.

I always like my terran players to knock out legends/kings of other races


Haha, you know Nestea doesn't play ladder seriously. From what I read, it was imbalanced positions anyways, so Nestea just blindly went all-in to move onto the next game.

I didn't know xelnaga caverns had imba positions. Oh right he wanted the bottom spot? lol

No doubt he doesn't take it 'seriously' but he doesn't openly strive to lose. It was hellions against mass slings and banes. A LOT of banes, very fast speed on them
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
August 17 2011 20:08 GMT
#289
this is going to be AMAZINGGG <3

There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
August 17 2011 20:10 GMT
#290
On August 18 2011 04:46 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Just hope nestea gets a draw against T players! Hell, I remember a few days ago watching kawaiirice play, he drew nestea on KR and pretty much just controlled the entire game and won in easy fashion.

I always like my terran players to knock out legends/kings of other races


lol NesTea just plays ladder like they are custom games
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
August 17 2011 20:11 GMT
#291
On August 18 2011 04:32 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:26 AustinCM wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:24 Sea_Food wrote:
Dont get so sure about the double Korean finals guys. Nani can beat MVP, and ret can take out Nestea. Currently european ZvZ level is sick high. Also I heard that those chinese players are beasty.

Ret can take out NesTea, wut?


Hmm let me think really quick about who can beat Nestea... Well probably a ZERG! That makes sense !!


Trust me. European ZvZ is sick. Nestea aint got nothing on that. You will see...
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 17 2011 20:14 GMT
#292
On August 18 2011 05:05 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 18 2011 03:52 Huragius wrote:
On August 17 2011 22:02 MattBarry wrote:
MVP has only won 1 gsl. Mlg had more Koreans than GSLWC.


Get your facts straight before you post something.


Think what he's getting at is MVP's 2nd championship was the world championship which isn't the same as a regular season of the gsl.

I kind of agree. I see him as more like 1 1/2 time gsl champ. GSLWC began at a ro16, with no group stage, and half code-S Koreans (not all of which were the best). But whatever, we all know MVP is gsl champion material.

Open seasons were not the same as regular seasons either, and yet everybody is taking them into consideration. I don't see why the WC shouldn't count.


Open season at least had ro64 which fills the void of no groups. Not to mention it wasn't only half korean either.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 17 2011 20:16 GMT
#293
On August 18 2011 00:01 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 17:37 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 17 2011 16:53 Jinivus wrote:
On August 17 2011 16:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On August 17 2011 16:47 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 17 2011 16:38 bode927 wrote:
On August 17 2011 16:33 Jinivus wrote:
On August 17 2011 16:25 bode927 wrote:
Arguably, the 2 best, most consistent, most popular players got invited. Can't say that happened in NA.

I don't know that this is the fairest way to select players (for other top korean pros), but I can't say I hate these selections either.

Cmon guys, its MVP and Nestea... that shit is like... cream of the crop.

MVP isn't the most consistent...Also MC is more popular than both of them combined.


This seems like a somewhat pointless debate... but I thought the most consistent players were the ones with the most GSL rank points?

Also, MC is popular for his antics and play, but Nestea and MVP have slightly better results, especially recently. If players were invited based mostly on antics, then heck... auto invite Destiny and Incontrol


Tell me how MVP has had slightly better results than MC. They both have 2 GSL championships (though one of MVP's is arguably a slightly easier championship since it didn't have the ridiculous group stages that claim so many amazing players early on, nor did it have as many rounds as MC's first championship). MC got eliminated early this season. MVP got eliminated early last season. Both are somewhat inconsistent, sometimes amazing, sometimes falling apart.

Well he has more GSL points for one. I mean they are directly related to your performance.

Because MC's open season 3 win doesnt count. otherwise he would have more.(which I think is kinda stupid tbh, just cause it shifted to Code S)


This. You can't use GSL points as your objective meter for achievements when the way the points are determined is flawed. MVP is a more accomplished player than MC on paper simply because they chose to not count the open seasons in determining points. If they did choose to count those, I'm pretty sure MC would beat out MVP. Obviously, things didn't work out that way and MC's first GSL win isn't being counted for him, but objectivity should account for clear inconsistencies in how the point system works, and a win in the GSL before Code S is virtually just as good as any other GSL win.

The Open Seasons don't count because they happened last year.


What's your point? My argument is that the point system simply isn't that accurate because it rather arbitrary discounts a huge achievement for MC (Nestea too, but he's so far ahead in points that it doesn't matter for him either way) simply because it happened last year. I'd love to see a good argument made on why one is justified in discounting the Open seasons in tallying up points that should be indicative of a player's achievements. There's no reason to ignore them other than the arbitrary justification that they happened last year, but just because an achievement happened last year doesn't make it any less meaningful.
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
August 17 2011 20:17 GMT
#294
On August 18 2011 05:10 tyrless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:46 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Just hope nestea gets a draw against T players! Hell, I remember a few days ago watching kawaiirice play, he drew nestea on KR and pretty much just controlled the entire game and won in easy fashion.

I always like my terran players to knock out legends/kings of other races


lol NesTea just plays ladder like they are custom games


He has a under 50% win rate and he's not even at the top of his masters league... It's hard to make a case that he actually is playing seriously considering his LAN achievements.
Gameplay > Personality
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 20:23:07
August 17 2011 20:18 GMT
#295
On August 18 2011 05:05 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 18 2011 03:52 Huragius wrote:
On August 17 2011 22:02 MattBarry wrote:
MVP has only won 1 gsl. Mlg had more Koreans than GSLWC.


Get your facts straight before you post something.


Think what he's getting at is MVP's 2nd championship was the world championship which isn't the same as a regular season of the gsl.

I kind of agree. I see him as more like 1 1/2 time gsl champ. GSLWC began at a ro16, with no group stage, and half code-S Koreans (not all of which were the best). But whatever, we all know MVP is gsl champion material.

Open seasons were not the same as regular seasons either, and yet everybody is taking them into consideration. I don't see why the WC shouldn't count.


The WC was 2 whole rounds shorter than the Open Season and half of the players were foreigners, all of whom lost to the first Koreans they met except for Dimaga. A better comparison to the Open seasons would be the Super Tournament.

With that said, I'm perfectly happy to count the WC, but when you see people discounting the WC, maybe you'll understand how it feels unfair that the Open seasons are actually completely ignored in the GSL points system. At least the WC is counted in practice -_-;;
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
August 17 2011 20:21 GMT
#296
On August 18 2011 05:06 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:58 KimJongChill wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:46 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Just hope nestea gets a draw against T players! Hell, I remember a few days ago watching kawaiirice play, he drew nestea on KR and pretty much just controlled the entire game and won in easy fashion.

I always like my terran players to knock out legends/kings of other races


Haha, you know Nestea doesn't play ladder seriously. From what I read, it was imbalanced positions anyways, so Nestea just blindly went all-in to move onto the next game.

I didn't know xelnaga caverns had imba positions. Oh right he wanted the bottom spot? lol

No doubt he doesn't take it 'seriously' but he doesn't openly strive to lose. It was hellions against mass slings and banes. A LOT of banes, very fast speed on them


xel naga does have imba positions too bad it's the only position it has It's irrelevant anyway, anyone can beat Nestea on ladder, he doesnt take it seriously and very often offraces. Same for MVP. Come tournament match, no one wants to face him, not matter how much they beat him in ladder.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
August 17 2011 20:21 GMT
#297
MVP had tougher opponents at MLG than GSLWC. I'm not trying to say he's not skilled, just that he hasn't won 2 GSLs. it sort of diminishes the prestige if you say he did.
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grandmoose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States160 Posts
August 17 2011 20:25 GMT
#298
On August 18 2011 05:21 MattBarry wrote:
MVP had tougher opponents at MLG than GSLWC. I'm not trying to say he's not skilled, just that he hasn't won 2 GSLs. it sort of diminishes the prestige if you say he did.


Who was hard for MVP at MLG? DRG and MMA are the only ones who even remotely come to mind.
not really a moose
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
August 17 2011 20:25 GMT
#299
kr not fucking around^^
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
August 17 2011 20:26 GMT
#300
lol people mad because MC didn't get to Blizzcon, he had his chance and got destroyed by MVP.
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