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I'm somehow happy and disappointed over everything in the OP  / . :p.
I'm happy that MVP & NesTea are invited. As I feel that they're the most deserving players, and also 2 players we've seen little of outside GSL unlike MC who is IMO just behind them in deserving it, but we've seen loads of outside of GSL. At the same time I'm disappointed that the battle.net tournament won't decide the invites.
I also feel that it's unfair (and thus disappointed) that Genius won't get to defend his title as Blizzcon 2010 Champion.
But I'm also happy that he won't as he's nowhere near as good as he once was (well, he'll be better now, but I mean compared to the others at the top) and inviting him would have meant that:
Another region would have lost an invite (which I don't feel would be fair choosing just one region to have only one invite while the rest had two).
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Korea would have lost an invite (and I definitely feel that both MVP and NesTea should be there)
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They would have had to change the amount of invites and the whole schedule etc. etc. (which I don't think is right as the tournament invites ans schedule etc. are just right IMO).
Yeah, so there's my (a lot) longer than planned opinion on how the news is somehow both awesome and disappointing at the same time  .
Lol, posting on a phone takes a while, got an error trying to post saying I took too long typing my message :D.
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^Somehow your post just makes me feel happy. Might be all the smileys iunno lol
OT: Noone else will stand a chance against prof. Tea and the game genie. Great invites, definately the most "desvering" imo.
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i love Nestea fanboys, win the most recent title and now your unbeatable regardless of opponent, until of course they lose or a new player takes down GSL
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looks like nestea is gonna win 100% thats my pick sooooon
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The two best players in the world... They're gonna destroy the poor foreigners who will have fought hard to get in ^^
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On August 18 2011 07:33 MMAizzzgawd wrote:
i love Nestea fanboys, win the most recent title and now your unbeatable regardless of opponent, until of course they lose or a new player takes down GSL
Isn't that the case with all fanboys?
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Don't really see the reasoning behind GSL points deciding the Korean invites. Not much point bitching about it now, though.
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On August 18 2011 07:38 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 07:33 MMAizzzgawd wrote:
i love Nestea fanboys, win the most recent title and now your unbeatable regardless of opponent, until of course they lose or a new player takes down GSL Isn't that the case with all fanboys?
Kind of, i would say Nestea fanboys are more like GSL champion fanboys in general since im sure most of them were all about july or MVP a few months ago... id say the more common fanboy is like Idras Huks or Whiteras no matter how much they win or lose their all about them specifically as a person. the people on Nesteas jock only heard he won GSL back to back and wont remember who he is when someone else figures something new out in the meta and wins it.
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On August 18 2011 07:42 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Don't really see the reasoning behind GSL points deciding the Korean invites. Not much point bitching about it now, though.
I'm guessing because 1) it's logistically easier and 2) the GSL is a consistent and known entity now and given it's format/structure, it's a pretty valid way to rank players.
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why bother even go to blizzcon ?? everyone know nestea gonna win anyway.............
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I kind of understand the fact that blizzard didn't invite the previous champion AKA GENIUS. Blizzcon tournament is not a regular tournament in my eyes. It's more like a special event so in this particular instance I don't mind the non-attendance of Genius. Besides, he's already got a Blizzcon trophy and golden ring :p
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On August 18 2011 06:55 The Final Boss wrote:I'm sure plenty of people here will call me a blasphemer and demand that I am burnt at the stake, but I think that Mvp would be NesTea if they played. Mvp's TvZ is pretty much one of the scariest match-ups I've seen like NesTea's ZvZ or Polt's TvP. And let's be completely honest, NesTea's ZvT is his weakest match-up (and by that I mean that occasionally he looks almost mortal in it). Then again they're teammates so they know each other's styles and decision making as well as they know their own, so really if the two of them played it would be a really interesting match (Ro16 so excited ^^, sad that one has to leave GSL so early though ). Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 05:55 HolyArrow wrote:On August 18 2011 05:46 Luepert wrote:On August 18 2011 05:40 HolyArrow wrote:On August 18 2011 05:35 Luepert wrote:On August 18 2011 05:30 HolyArrow wrote:On August 18 2011 05:26 zerious wrote:
lol people mad because MC didn't get to Blizzcon, he had his chance and got destroyed by MVP. I'm not mad about that. I'm mad that he didn't get to go due to a perfectly legitimate achievement being discounted. Please don't pretend that the Open seasons are somehow not achievements anymore just because they occurred last year. On paper, MVP has more points in a system that doesn't count an entire GSL win for MC. That's the reality of things, and I guess if you like MVP more than MC, you'll rationalize that for yourself, but if you wanted a truly accurate measure of achievements, I can't think of any argument that would successfully prove that the Open season achievements shouldn't be counted. The only thing keeping them from being counted is an arbitrary cutoff. blizzcon 2011 is only based on 2011 results, i know mc has 2 gsls but one was 2010. Yes, I know. That's what my argument is about, dude. I realize that MC just got screwed by the system, but there are all these people that believe that MVP is simply more accomplished than MC overall and refer to the point system as if it's infallible. A more accurate statement would be, "MVP is more accomplished than MC this year". That's why I'm emphasizing my point about "truly accurate" measuring of achievements, because if you make the cutoff point at the start of this year, that's losing some accuracy, no? I'm not saying Blizzcon should count points that way, because it's Blizzcon 2011, so that makes sense. I'm just saying that the current points system isn't a truly accurate representation of achievements. Its like people still saying fruit dealer is still up there, he got jipped just as mush as MC, 5000, if he had that he would look like a contender too, but obviously he hasnt had much going on in 2011. No matter how inaacurate the system mvp is still better demonstrated by winning mlg and actually beating him. I don't see how MVP winning MLG is a good argument. MC has won or placed high in several foreign tournaments, including Dreamhack, NASL, and Homestory (some of which had very strong Koreans), and a Bo1 isn't a good argument either. I'm looking at overall achievements here, not just immediate ones, because I feel like they provide a more accurate picture. Just admit you're wrong. Blizzcon 2011, the invites should be based on a player's 2011 record as opposed to their lifetime record. Mvp didn't go to any of those three events that you mentioned, whereas both MC and Mvp both got invites to MLGs. And I don't know if you remember, but despite MC's "are you angry?" (which easily is the second best thing to ever happen at an MLG after HuK's imaginary brigade of Void Rays winning him the game), he came in 3rd place. Whereas Mvp came in 1st. Granted, it was different tournaments, but he still placed higher. Plus, it might have been a Bo1, but did you watch Mvp vs MC? Mvp looked like he completely outclassed MC and as we all know TvP is not Mvp's strong point (nor is PvT MC's strongest point, but regardless). Mvp is more qualified, quit trying to sell himself short and try to make yourself think that you're right. You want a system that is messed up? Check out MLG's system where you play poorly-mediocre and remain in the invited groups. GSL has a great system, and GL HF to both IM members! ^^
You can't ever take a Bo1 and just say that someone looks like they outclassed someone else. It's not rigorous at all, not to mention that the current metagame is simply highly against Protoss right now (but I won't go into that - there's statistical proof that I can provide if you don't believe me - just search for "July winrate" and the topic will come up for you).
I'm not trying to sell MVP short. My argument isn't that MVP isn't undeserving, but that MC is, if you consider last year's achievements, more deserving. I'm not bringing MVP down, but, rather, am elevating MC, so don't misconstrue me like that. I believe that I'm making a good argument, but you don't seem to actually be addressing any of my points directly. I've already acknowledged that it's Blizzcon 2011, and thus their system makes sense in regards to not counting achievements from last year. I have NO idea why you tried to make the point that MVP didn't go to any of the three events I listed, because MC didn't go to the MLG that MVP went to, either. Sorry, but you can't just take two different instances of the same tournament and consider them the same event. That defeats the whole purpose of trying to compare them. Since I saw someone try to bring up MLG (which MC wasn't at) as a point, I brought up the events that MC won/did well in (that MVP wasn't at) in response. If you don't want to count events that MC and MVP weren't simultaneously in, then you throw out Dreamhack, Homestory, MLG, and NASL altogether. I'm okay with throwing them all out as long as you don't try to promote a bizarre double standard.
Anyway, I understand that since it's Blizzcon 2011, a system was chosen to discount games from the previous year. That's not my argument. My argument is that, idealistically, if you wanted a truly accurate representation of who is more deserving, you would have to count last year's GSL results as well. Only looking at this year meshes correctly with principles of this system of counting points, but you can't deny that it narrows the scope of achievements that we look at, and, thus, isn't the truly accurate representation of deservingness. Don't try to make this about me trying to sell MVP short. Sure, I'm motivated to make this argument due to me being a bigger MC fan than an MVP fan, but, conceptually, if you take away the players altogether and look at my argument itself (the argument of a smaller scope limiting the accuracy of determining who is more accomplished), it remains perfectly valid.
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On August 18 2011 08:19 yakkk2000 wrote:
why bother even go to blizzcon ?? everyone know nestea gonna win anyway.............
Nestea is GOOD, but he's not GOD, MMA beat him, and MVP's beat him before too, TvZ is MVP's best matchup and ZvT is not Nestea's best. Even Nestea admitted that MVP is the MVP of IM before in an interview. I'm not saying he won't I'm just saying this aint Inca or Losira hes up against.
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On August 18 2011 08:32 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:19 yakkk2000 wrote:
why bother even go to blizzcon ?? everyone know nestea gonna win anyway.............
Nestea is GOOD, but he's not GOD, MMA beat him, and MVP's beat him before too, TvZ is MVP's best matchup and ZvT is not Nestea's best. Even Nestea admitted that MVP is the MVP of IM before in an interview. I'm not saying he won't I'm just saying this aint Inca or Losira hes up against.
Ouch.
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why does russia have its own category? why is it not included in europe?
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YAY! Nestea finally competing in a foreign tournament.
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Great news for the foreign scene. Bringing the two big guns from Korea is awesome for an event of this magnitude. Can't wait!
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Definately the best two players they could bring out from korea. If blizzard seeds correctly, I fully expect a korean top 3 (let's not forget about Select!) and a top 2 consisting of only IM players ;p.
As for MVP vs Nestea, winner of that is hard to judge right now. 2 months is a long time for the metagame to shift/evolve, but right now I'd definately give it to MVP. I fully expect him to take next weeks GSL match, if anything MVP's TvZ is more devastating then MMA's, and look how that turned out last week ;p.
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