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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On December 08 2013 07:47 ffadicted wrote: You guys are funny. TL constantly bitches about "it's all koreans, foreigners need to be better to win games" Then when foregienrs win games, you all cry imbalance cuz koreans should win everything when the game is balanced Arguing in TL makes ppl lose their soul tbh lol I somehow doubt most ppl calling OP on those results didn't even watch the games carefully lol People wouldn't complain if foreigner T could beat koreans at a same rate. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 08 2013 10:10 painkilla wrote: People wouldn't complain if foreigner T could beat koreans at a same rate. imo if foreigners T could beat other foreigners, it might be nice already. | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 08 2013 10:15 Faust852 wrote: imo if foreigners T could beat other foreigners, it might be nice already. happy is doing it and koreans | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
Fixed that for you. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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seak99
Canada69 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 08 2013 16:20 seak99 wrote: I just GG at the start of every TVP now. Whether or not its balanced doesn't really matter. Its just the most frustrating/rage inducing match up. So for my own sanity I don't play it anymore :D You don't play that much then considering how much protoss there are on the ladder. | ||
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Satiinifi
Finland192 Posts
 and kor terrans dropping more and more maps to foreigners over time, foreigner z and p magically just got good! | ||
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PanzerElite
540 Posts
Warpgate goes to the next lvl on that map...,,,, | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 08 2013 20:01 PanzerElite wrote: Rofl blizzard wants that huge new map to be used in tournaments. Protoss is so overpowerd it isn't even funny. Warpgate goes to the next lvl on that map...,,,, Yes...yes...late the hate flow through you! | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
What if pylons need to be upgraded to a "warp-in" pylon that costs 50/50 so that you can't simply spam this across every corner of the map? Make protoss all-ins more like an all in, can't just spam these everywhere and somewhat hit back at the mobility that the protoss have + encourage warp prisms more. Maybe this might make gateways in the early game more favorable for those that play safe? The second what if is.. what if MsC either require it to be attached to the nexii when performing the photon overcharge or simply make this spell a re-searchable one at the cybernetics core. But I also tend to think that the medivac boost needs a nerf in the form of using energy to boost e.g. 50 or 75 or something so that you can't boost everywhere. I really wish Blizzard can make mech work in TvP or atleast have half the tech units usable in this **** matchup. Just on the top of my head: -Tanks for instance would work better if they do full damage to shields and/or deal damage to massive units (archons/colossi). This doesn't affect anything else other than more damage to thors and ultras which I think is ok seeing as ultras can go through a tank line with ease. -Hellbat transformation upgrade or blue flame should be cheaper (150/150 to transform and 150/150 to add a few dmg to the light damage???). -Really wish thors were replaced with half thors which they originally intended to do ala original warhounds. -Something needs to be done about feedbacks imo. There is a reason why this particular spell is all the way up in the tech tree in BW where you had to not only research but also spend precious resource on two DTs into a dark archon that really didn't do any direct damage with its spells nor can it physically attack things. Maybe EMP needs to be shifted to the raven (TBH i think TvP is ruined by the whole ghost vs HT coin flip that dictates the outcome WAY to much), but I still think feedback is whats primarily holding everything back in regards to tech viability in TvP. | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
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syno
Switzerland150 Posts
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riceant
Canada54 Posts
Stats don't lie. Also, all my friends that play protoss, who I used to shit on all the time, have gotten promoted to master league (recently), while I'm still stuck in top diamond league. Yep, and there is only one reason for that: Protoss. My winrate is like 30% this season in tvp, and yes, it's my fault, but as I said, stats don't lie. In WoL, and HotS first two seasons, I was 60% in TvP. STATS DON'T LIE. PERIOD. May I add, every stream I watch is basically just X v P. Really, it's just toss, toss, toss all day long. Soulkey: "I haven't practised ZvT lately because there are no terrans on ladder." | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 09 2013 00:11 riceant wrote: Fact is, Protoss is imba not because it is overpowered in every aspect, but simply because GM is almost 50% protoss, master is 40% protoss, and 20% terran, etc. That's all the evidence you'll ever need to call something IMBA. It's HARD EVIDENCE that CANNOT BE DISPUTED. 600 players in GM is NOT a small sample, and if you include master league, thats THOUSANDS of players. Stats don't lie. Also, all my friends that play protoss, who I used to shit on all the time, have gotten promoted to master league (recently), while I'm still stuck in top diamond league. Yep, and there is only one reason for that: Protoss. My winrate is like 30% this season in tvp, and yes, it's my fault, but as I said, stats don't lie. In WoL, and HotS first two seasons, I was 60% in TvP. STATS DON'T LIE. PERIOD. May I add, every stream I watch is basically just X v P. Really, it's just toss, toss, toss all day long. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics Just to add; it is much much much more easier as a protoss to achieve high ladder ranking than as a terran or zerg. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
Luckily, pro play is where we should be looking to for balance, where the discrepancies are not anywhere close to that. In the subject of foreigner terrans, we havn't had a legit threat since Jinro I feel | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Its less obvious in pro games but it makes the ladder a total joke because relatively terrible players like Maximusblack are nearing GM because of the potential to all in every game. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On December 09 2013 00:41 Bagi wrote: The issue with protoss right now is pretty similar to terran in early WOL, they have too many all-ins they can do and they require very good responses from their opponent to defend. Its less obvious in pro games but it makes the ladder a total joke because relatively terrible players like Maximusblack are nearing GM because of the potential to all in every game. Ya. Suggested nerfs to PO would go a long way in fixing that. I don't think the issue is necessarily that protoss has too many options (that's a good thing for a game), but just that they're too safe doing those all-ins/weird plays, and that the PO inherently limits the options of the other races. All races should have a good variety of builds to do. Everyone has easy scouting now in hots (ferrarilords, reapers/scan, hallu/obs), so it shouldn't be nearly as coin-flippy as ppl think PO is needed, but too powerful. I think that's beating a dead horse at this point, we've all asked for it, now it's blizzard's turn to implement | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 09 2013 00:41 Bagi wrote: The issue with protoss right now is pretty similar to terran in early WOL, they have too many all-ins they can do and they require very good responses from their opponent to defend. Its less obvious in pro games but it makes the ladder a total joke because relatively terrible players like Maximusblack are nearing GM because of the potential to all in every game. Well not only they have most variety in the early game but also super strong late game and can also comfortably sit back while they build up that army. There is no race against the time when playing protoss. This is especially true against terran. Protoss is tough at first because you need to learn how to split your units properly against 2 pronged attacks, when to safely take the third etc. but once you master that, the things change drastically in protoss favor. At least that is how I see it. | ||
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