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WombaT
Northern Ireland26096 Posts
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
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larse
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elfi 3-2 jjakji Yeah, that sounds about right | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 08 2013 04:10 Sc2ConCepT wrote: i think they should try to follow map examples like bel shir, the new map pools have ridiculously open thirds that make it easier for terran and zerg to jsut deny thirds more easily than they did when thirds like daybreak and akilon were not so open. peopel are complainign about toss doign 2 base all ins and being op, but its cause toss doesn't have a choice but to all in on 2 bases cause we can barely secure a third Well, for TvP, the 1 base all in (blink, proxy oracle) is more of an issue although sometimes they do transition to more bases via contain. As for the 3rd expansion, I don't think it is an issue in TvP, most Protoss can hold a third pretty well if they aren't going full tech build. If the 3rd is more protected, MSC with time warp would pretty much make it impossible to put on any pressure. I think making bases closer would be better than then using chokes. Because with forcefields and time warp, Protoss is just too good defending chokes. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On December 08 2013 05:06 larse wrote: elfi 3-0 LucifroN elfi 3-2 jjakji Yeah, that sounds about right Yep it does. Lucifron has been really, really bad for a while and Elfi is really good at PvT and it´s not the first time he beats a korean. | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 08 2013 05:06 larse wrote: elfi 3-0 LucifroN elfi 3-2 jjakji Yeah, that sounds about right Elfi is god. Are you denying that he is, in fact, deity? He has given Jaedong his blessing to win the tournament. You will witness his power. Please watch the games, and point out the "imbalances" that you see there, and then come back. Without context those numbers mean nothing. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26096 Posts
Instead of 'hur hur he has low APM but still wins, wtf', why don't we you know, actually look into his successes? | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 08 2013 06:13 Wombat_NI wrote: Joking aside, why has nobody done a proper analysis of Elfi's play/games? Instead of 'hur hur he has low APM but still wins, wtf', why don't we you know, actually look into his successes? Protoss cheese too strong, nerf nerf nerf!!11oneoneleven I would say that in general, the recept for his success is the decision making and positioning. He also has decent micro (WC3 background!!!11) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26096 Posts
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 08 2013 06:23 Wombat_NI wrote: Well yeah, conversely a Protoss with godly mechanics such as Bisu not doing well tells me that success with the race relies on a lot of other different skillsets, many of them hard to spot in reps etc Would also like to add that as protoss, the builds you do and how well you execute them, matter a lot. Protoss is quite metagamey race and you can throw some sickening curveballs to your opponent in bo5 series for example. (Like Naniwa doing dat proxygate in game5) | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On December 08 2013 06:23 Wombat_NI wrote: Well yeah, conversely a Protoss with godly mechanics such as Bisu not doing well tells me that success with the race relies on a lot of other different skillsets, many of them hard to spot in reps etc Or maybe Bisu just faced a higher calibre of opponents and did not have the luxury of being rather unknown. Once people figure out that elfi can only abuse warp tech for early wins, he won't have any success. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26096 Posts
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On December 08 2013 06:32 Wombat_NI wrote: What, Elfi hasn't been playing his current style since release? I doubt he made it into jjakjji's radar. | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 08 2013 06:33 plogamer wrote: I doubt he made it into jjakjji's radar. I don't know man, I sure hope jjakjji did some research on his group, if not... | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On December 08 2013 06:35 Ana_ wrote: I don't know man, I sure hope jjakjji did some research on his group, if not... We can't know for sure, but the games sure played that way. | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
On December 08 2013 06:44 plogamer wrote: We can't know for sure, but the games sure played that way. That is just so...unprofesional? And he is even on the same team as Stardust, who definately knows how Elfi plays, there should no reason for jjiakji to know at least something on Elfis play style. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 08 2013 00:02 Karpfen wrote: Lucifron is just bad now. I hope he gets back in shape but calling him the best foreigner T is pretty ignorant. Scarlett has never shown good play vs korean Ts (funny). You're supporting the point I was making. There are no strong foreign terrans. None. And this is the problem. Lucifron was the best foreigner terran for a long time, and there is no established player to take his mantle. And that's a symptom of the state of the game at the moment. I wouldn't bet even on mediocre Korean terrans to beat foreigner P or Z players, but that's weird, right? A mediocre protoss or zerg, especially Protoss, can take games off excellent terrans like MMA (people bash him, forgetting that before the last patch he was a lynchpin for acer-axiom who won the GSTL! And he just made it to the Ro4 in Dreamhack Winter, losing to Inno in a series he pretty much had won). The point is, the best terrans in the world are barely winning against foreigners. And that means there's something wrong. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
Then when foregienrs win games, you all cry imbalance cuz koreans should win everything when the game is balanced Arguing in TL makes ppl lose their soul tbh lol I somehow doubt most ppl calling OP on those results didn't even watch the games carefully lol | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On December 08 2013 07:47 ffadicted wrote: You guys are funny. TL constantly bitches about "it's all koreans, foreigners need to be better to win games" Then when foregienrs win games, you all cry imbalance cuz koreans should win everything when the game is balanced Arguing in TL makes ppl lose their soul tbh lol I somehow doubt most ppl calling OP on those results didn't even watch the games carefully lol Aren't you brilliant, generalizing all of TL - not recognizing the different voices reflecting a heterogeneous mix of opinions rather than being hypocritical or as you put it, "funny". | ||
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