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I don't think we're seeing hellbats being used to their full potential quite yet. I'm still seeing zealots do a lot of work in PvT, that seems entirely unneccessary given how an existing tech can deal insanely effectively with them for very low resource and food cost, and almost no micro investment.
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Look's like TvP is more in favor for T than TvZ is... though I'm sure Zerg will get buffed somehow and P will be left with 40% for the rest of HotS like WoL.
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On April 12 2013 08:34 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Look's like TvP is more in favor for T than TvZ is... though I'm sure Zerg will get buffed somehow and P will be left with 40% for the rest of HotS like WoL. The exact opposite is true at the moment, actually
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On April 12 2013 09:02 RampancyTW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 08:34 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Look's like TvP is more in favor for T than TvZ is... though I'm sure Zerg will get buffed somehow and P will be left with 40% for the rest of HotS like WoL. The exact opposite is true at the moment, actually
Maybe in the lower leagues. In the GSL Terrans are doing very well in TvP.
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On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason.
Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s.
You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced.
Just hush.
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On April 12 2013 09:34 lowercase wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 09:02 RampancyTW wrote:On April 12 2013 08:34 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Look's like TvP is more in favor for T than TvZ is... though I'm sure Zerg will get buffed somehow and P will be left with 40% for the rest of HotS like WoL. The exact opposite is true at the moment, actually Maybe in the lower leagues. In the GSL Terrans are doing very well in TvP.
They are?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At0PE4rdhsI9dDE0cEprWkwwMGxQdTczTTlLNW1qX1E#gid=0
On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush.
Literally scratching my head. did you misquote?
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On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush.
when we can have people like polt coming into NA GM with something like 90% winrates smashing through everybody, what use are those statistics?
what you are getting is literally how many korean terran smurfs over at NA. Look at dragon, inno, polt, forgg etc.
Just look at the GSL qualifier. Twice as many zerg pass over Terran, sure is imbalance showing.
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On April 12 2013 11:57 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush. when we can have people like polt coming into NA GM with something like 90% winrates smashing through everybody, what use are those statistics? what you are getting is literally how many korean terran smurfs over at NA. Look at dragon, inno, polt, forgg etc. Just look at the GSL qualifier. Twice as many zerg pass over Terran, sure is imbalance showing.
One can argue that the game is not figured out yet but denying the fact that terrans are over 60% win rate vs zerg in pro matches is just being deliberately stupid.
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On April 12 2013 12:05 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 11:57 iky43210 wrote:On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush. when we can have people like polt coming into NA GM with something like 90% winrates smashing through everybody, what use are those statistics? what you are getting is literally how many korean terran smurfs over at NA. Look at dragon, inno, polt, forgg etc. Just look at the GSL qualifier. Twice as many zerg pass over Terran, sure is imbalance showing. One can argue that the game is not figured out yet but denying the fact that terrans are over 60% win rate vs zerg in pro matches is just being deliberately stupid.
Fact? I don't take shady statistics made from either bad ladder statistics or the extremely small and bias sample tourney as fact (aka IEM where you pitch top 10 terran against 2 korean and bunch of foreign zerg, I mean really?)
Just because you keep sprouting unfounded shit doesn't make it true. Try explaining this
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifier
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On April 12 2013 12:05 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 11:57 iky43210 wrote:On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush. when we can have people like polt coming into NA GM with something like 90% winrates smashing through everybody, what use are those statistics? what you are getting is literally how many korean terran smurfs over at NA. Look at dragon, inno, polt, forgg etc. Just look at the GSL qualifier. Twice as many zerg pass over Terran, sure is imbalance showing. One can argue that the game is not figured out yet but denying the fact that terrans are over 60% win rate vs zerg in pro matches is just being deliberately stupid.
I'm deliberately stupid then.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At0PE4rdhsI9dDE0cEprWkwwMGxQdTczTTlLNW1qX1E#gid=0
It's actually 55.2% for April so far. Which is still in favor of Terran but let's actually stick with real numbers here and not just fabricate the numbers we want to use just to prove a point.
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On April 12 2013 12:11 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:05 Dudasc wrote:On April 12 2013 11:57 iky43210 wrote:On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush. when we can have people like polt coming into NA GM with something like 90% winrates smashing through everybody, what use are those statistics? what you are getting is literally how many korean terran smurfs over at NA. Look at dragon, inno, polt, forgg etc. Just look at the GSL qualifier. Twice as many zerg pass over Terran, sure is imbalance showing. One can argue that the game is not figured out yet but denying the fact that terrans are over 60% win rate vs zerg in pro matches is just being deliberately stupid. I'm deliberately stupid then. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At0PE4rdhsI9dDE0cEprWkwwMGxQdTczTTlLNW1qX1E#gid=0It's actually 55.2% for April so far. Which is still in favor of Terran but let's actually stick with real numbers here and not just fabricate the numbers we want to use just to prove a point.
I did mention no shady tourneys right? The only tourney on that list that isn't a complete joke is GSL and PL thus far. Almost as good as using playheim in part of calculating your statistics
Every time you mix in foreign tourneys and korean tourneys together for statistics and what you get is not an accurate portray of anything, but rather who and what korean was invited to said foreign tourneys
Adding any korean will create the bias
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I personally think if terran is as truly overpowered as people make it seem then they should have done much better in the code A qualifiers. The forums make it seem like it is impossible for zerg to win but yet 12 qualified for code along with 11 protoss and only 7 terrans. This is completely opposite to what you would expect if you went by the crying on the forums.
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Honestly, this spreadsheet is a bit of a mess. I can't understand what you're trying to show here. All I'm saying is that I watch a lot of Starcraft, and I have since Brood War, and anecdotally it feels like Terran is a bit strong right now, mostly in TvP.
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Statistical analysis of winrates are only of limited use because they dont show how hard / easy it is to play and most importantly how FUN it is to play. Sure enough this site caters to the competitive people, but nevertheless there are people who think that a game like this should be about fun first and foremost and that doesnt really work with the mechanics given.
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On April 12 2013 12:21 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:11 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 12:05 Dudasc wrote:On April 12 2013 11:57 iky43210 wrote:On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush. when we can have people like polt coming into NA GM with something like 90% winrates smashing through everybody, what use are those statistics? what you are getting is literally how many korean terran smurfs over at NA. Look at dragon, inno, polt, forgg etc. Just look at the GSL qualifier. Twice as many zerg pass over Terran, sure is imbalance showing. One can argue that the game is not figured out yet but denying the fact that terrans are over 60% win rate vs zerg in pro matches is just being deliberately stupid. I'm deliberately stupid then. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At0PE4rdhsI9dDE0cEprWkwwMGxQdTczTTlLNW1qX1E#gid=0It's actually 55.2% for April so far. Which is still in favor of Terran but let's actually stick with real numbers here and not just fabricate the numbers we want to use just to prove a point. I did mention no shady tourneys right? The only tourney on that list that isn't a complete joke is GSL and PL thus far. Almost as good as using playheim in part of calculating your statistics Every time you mix in foreign tourneys and korean tourneys together for statistics and what you get is not an accurate portray of anything, but rather who and what korean was invited to said foreign tourneys Adding any korean will create the bias
Ok, statistically speaking TvZ win rate in GSL is 50.3%, where exactly did you get 60%+ from?
On April 12 2013 12:32 lowercase wrote:Honestly, this spreadsheet is a bit of a mess. I can't understand what you're trying to show here. All I'm saying is that I watch a lot of Starcraft, and I have since Brood War, and anecdotally it feels like Terran is a bit strong right now, mostly in TvP.
And I can tell you that Protoss has a 60.4% win rate in TvP this month, now what is more relevant your personal opinion or actual statistics?
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On April 12 2013 12:31 Mattumsfox wrote:
I personally think if terran is as truly overpowered as people make it seem then they should have done much better in the code A qualifiers. The forums make it seem like it is impossible for zerg to win but yet 12 qualified for code along with 11 protoss and only 7 terrans. This is completely opposite to what you would expect if you went by the crying on the forums.
Not to mention so far in Code S we have 3 terrans, 3 zerg and 2 toss moving onto the next round and 2 terran 2 toss and 4 zerg eliminated.
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On April 10 2013 06:24 Jasiwel wrote:
Does anyone else think that the Hellbat for having so much HP, such high damage versus light and AoE, and being relatively easy to obtain should be looked over balance-wise? I'm okay with it being a game changing unit when used properly, but at least I know in PvT it really doesn't feel as balanced as I think it could be. At least before in WoL, Protoss could utilize Chargelots and Blink Stalkers to whittle away an inferior Terran Bio force, but now Zealots (which are pivotal in absorbing damage and dealing preliminary damage for Tier 3 units) are eviscerated almost instantly, not to mention Stalkers require quite a bit of micro to deal with Hellbats with any sort of efficiency. One literally has to grab Archons (and a good several of them) and Colossus to deal with these units, which is okay until Ghosts or Vikings are introduced. I'm not crying imbalance necessarily, just food for thought and I'm curious to hear level-minded opinions about it.
No thoughts on this? Half of this thread is a bunch of flame and BM. I seriously want to hear decent opinions on this, especially considering those don't happen consistently over at the Battle.net forums. Remember, I'm not saying anything is imbalanced, I just want to know what other players are thinking.
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On April 12 2013 12:45 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:21 iky43210 wrote:On April 12 2013 12:11 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 12:05 Dudasc wrote:On April 12 2013 11:57 iky43210 wrote:On April 12 2013 10:07 Merkmerk wrote:On April 12 2013 06:59 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 05:41 Big J wrote:On April 12 2013 04:46 SlixSC wrote:aligulac is not very reliable. they are missing roughly 25% of all games played just in the GSL qualifiers alone. If you really want to have accurate statistics you can't just leave out 25% of all the games played in any given tournament. a) as long as the left out games are arbitrary it doesn't matter statistically b) qualifiers shouldn't be in there anyways, because everyone can participate and therefore you get many pro vs nonpro games which are won by the pro no matter what. And therefore the winrates turn out closer to 50:50 than they should be. c) I wish people would stop calling every statistic inaccurate for some reason or another. Yeah sure they are inaccurate. It's statistic. It's always going to be inaccurate to some degree. Be happy that we get stuff to work with, even if it is not perfect. You realize that I'm not just complaining but actually doing something and making more accurate statistics. And "as long as the left out games are arbitrary" is a meaningless statement, how could you possibly prove that they were left out arbitrarily. And a) is strongly contradicated by b), you understand the central limit theorem, but only apply it to a) but not to b). Which makes me think that you are heavily biased, for whatever reason. Oh shut the hell up. He provided ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA that shows a significant imbalance in TvZ - one that appears to be getting worse based on looking at masters/GM TvZ win %s. You simply don't like the stat because you're a plat player like me and sometimes you get beaten by a Zerg who outplays you so therefore you think it must be balanced. Just hush. when we can have people like polt coming into NA GM with something like 90% winrates smashing through everybody, what use are those statistics? what you are getting is literally how many korean terran smurfs over at NA. Look at dragon, inno, polt, forgg etc. Just look at the GSL qualifier. Twice as many zerg pass over Terran, sure is imbalance showing. One can argue that the game is not figured out yet but denying the fact that terrans are over 60% win rate vs zerg in pro matches is just being deliberately stupid. I'm deliberately stupid then. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At0PE4rdhsI9dDE0cEprWkwwMGxQdTczTTlLNW1qX1E#gid=0It's actually 55.2% for April so far. Which is still in favor of Terran but let's actually stick with real numbers here and not just fabricate the numbers we want to use just to prove a point. I did mention no shady tourneys right? The only tourney on that list that isn't a complete joke is GSL and PL thus far. Almost as good as using playheim in part of calculating your statistics Every time you mix in foreign tourneys and korean tourneys together for statistics and what you get is not an accurate portray of anything, but rather who and what korean was invited to said foreign tourneys Adding any korean will create the bias Ok, statistically speaking TvZ win rate in GSL is 50.3%, where exactly did you get 60%+ from? Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:32 lowercase wrote:Honestly, this spreadsheet is a bit of a mess. I can't understand what you're trying to show here. All I'm saying is that I watch a lot of Starcraft, and I have since Brood War, and anecdotally it feels like Terran is a bit strong right now, mostly in TvP. And I can tell you that Protoss has a 60.4% win rate in TvP this month, now what is more relevant your personal opinion or actual statistics?
you're confusing me with someone else. I'm just having doubts that terran are broken like many ppl suggested (this thread, idra, catz etc)
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Everything looks balanced if you look at gsl, the best of the best. Should you really listen to catz and idra lol?
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I feel sorry for SlixSC. All the zergs want to cry imbalance and when he brings about statistics, they gangbang him by yelling nonsensical things. I'm looking at you neoghaleon55 and markwerk.
Especially neoghaleon55 should know better, you're talking, among other things, about WoL stats to prove that T>Z?! And being needlessly rude while doing so, especially when someone is doing actual work.
Not to mention, each MU has less than 200 games, and less than 20 games in GSL. The only tourney that has a lot of games so far is the GSL qualifiers that neoghaleon55 wants to exclude! (probably because TvZ was 41/39).
Try to not jump on the first bit of statistics that proves your point and give the pros time to figure things out. While the NA pros are making a fuzz by calling imba, the Korean pro's are coming out with brilliant builds. If you haven't seen it yet, watch True dismantle the master of multitasking Fantasy with ling, bling, muta, nydus harassment. + Show Spoiler +Game 3, Set 3 of Code S Group D
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