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holy cow, Terran dominating both match ups.
Hope they enjoy it, the nerf-bat commeth!
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we are still at 11st, things might get even worse
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On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse
yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month.
Anyway, I trust aligulac best.
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On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best.
We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database?
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On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database?
Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year.
This article: http://www.esfiworld.com/interview-with-eivind-fonn-founder-of-starcraft-2-statistics-and-ranking-site-aligulac/
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On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year.
But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point?
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On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point?
Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?"
Where did you get the number 30%?
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On April 12 2013 07:18 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point? Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?" Where did you get the number 30%?
It's actually a little bit more than that even.
The total amount of non-mirror matches played in GSL this season (ignoring up and downs since they were played in Wings) is 359 non-mirrors. Aligulac only has roughly 230 of these matches in their database. So they have missed roughly 35% of all matches.
http://aligulac.com/results/events/11898/
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifier
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Code_S
How is this reliable to you?
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On April 12 2013 07:29 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:18 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point? Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?" Where did you get the number 30%? It's actually a little bit more than that even. The total amount of non-mirror matches played in GSL this season (ignoring up and downs since they were played in Wings) is 359 non-mirrors. Aligulac only has roughly 230 of these matches in their database. So they have missed roughly 35% of all matches. http://aligulac.com/results/events/11898/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifierhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Code_SHow is this reliable to you?
That's still being updated regularly.
It's like that for every current tournaments.
Even TLPD sometimes takes weeks to update fully on current events.
Weak sauce argument.
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On April 12 2013 07:33 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:29 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:18 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point? Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?" Where did you get the number 30%? It's actually a little bit more than that even. The total amount of non-mirror matches played in GSL this season (ignoring up and downs since they were played in Wings) is 359 non-mirrors. Aligulac only has roughly 230 of these matches in their database. So they have missed roughly 35% of all matches. http://aligulac.com/results/events/11898/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifierhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Code_SHow is this reliable to you? That's still being updated regularly. It's like that for every current tournaments. Even TLPD sometimes takes weeks to update fully on current events. Weak sauce argument.
And the statistics I posted are updated in real time and include all games played in the respective tournaments. How is it a weak sauce argument when you are relying on statistics that are either terribly inaccurate or incomplete and I rely on statistics that include every single game that was played over the course of the last 2 weeks.
Explain it to me.
And again you are comparing aligulac and TLPD, both are inaccurate and incomplete databases. It's a meaningless comparison. One is bad and the other is worse.
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On April 12 2013 07:35 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:33 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:29 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:18 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:we are still at 11st, things might get even worse yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point? Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?" Where did you get the number 30%? It's actually a little bit more than that even. The total amount of non-mirror matches played in GSL this season (ignoring up and downs since they were played in Wings) is 359 non-mirrors. Aligulac only has roughly 230 of these matches in their database. So they have missed roughly 35% of all matches. http://aligulac.com/results/events/11898/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifierhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Code_SHow is this reliable to you? That's still being updated regularly. It's like that for every current tournaments. Even TLPD sometimes takes weeks to update fully on current events. Weak sauce argument. And the statistics I posted are updated in real time and include all games played in the respective tournaments. How is it a weak sauce argument when you are relying on statistics that are either terribly inaccurate or incomplete and I rely on statistics that include every single game that was played over the course of the last 2 weeks. Explain it to me.
because...you were talking about april balance when it's april 11th...
end of story.
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On April 12 2013 07:36 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:35 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:33 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:29 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:18 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:09 Dudasc wrote:
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we are still at 11st, things might get even worse
yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month. Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point? Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?" Where did you get the number 30%? It's actually a little bit more than that even. The total amount of non-mirror matches played in GSL this season (ignoring up and downs since they were played in Wings) is 359 non-mirrors. Aligulac only has roughly 230 of these matches in their database. So they have missed roughly 35% of all matches. http://aligulac.com/results/events/11898/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifierhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Code_SHow is this reliable to you? That's still being updated regularly. It's like that for every current tournaments. Even TLPD sometimes takes weeks to update fully on current events. Weak sauce argument. And the statistics I posted are updated in real time and include all games played in the respective tournaments. How is it a weak sauce argument when you are relying on statistics that are either terribly inaccurate or incomplete and I rely on statistics that include every single game that was played over the course of the last 2 weeks. Explain it to me. because...you were talking about april balance when it's april 11th... end of story.
almost 2 weeks worth of data, you were talking about march balance which didn't even include half as many games. Hypocrite.
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On April 12 2013 07:37 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:36 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:35 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:33 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:29 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:18 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:
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yea who the hell talks about april statistics when we're only a third of the way through the month.
Anyway, I trust aligulac best. We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database? Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point? Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?" Where did you get the number 30%? It's actually a little bit more than that even. The total amount of non-mirror matches played in GSL this season (ignoring up and downs since they were played in Wings) is 359 non-mirrors. Aligulac only has roughly 230 of these matches in their database. So they have missed roughly 35% of all matches. http://aligulac.com/results/events/11898/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifierhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Code_SHow is this reliable to you? That's still being updated regularly. It's like that for every current tournaments. Even TLPD sometimes takes weeks to update fully on current events. Weak sauce argument. And the statistics I posted are updated in real time and include all games played in the respective tournaments. How is it a weak sauce argument when you are relying on statistics that are either terribly inaccurate or incomplete and I rely on statistics that include every single game that was played over the course of the last 2 weeks. Explain it to me. because...you were talking about april balance when it's april 11th... end of story. almost 2 weeks worth of data, you were talking about march balance which didn't even include half as many games. Hypocrite.
Are you really trying to sell the point that your 2 weeks worth of data paints a better picture of balance than aligulac's massive database that spans the whole life time of Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm?
wow...
yea I give up with you.
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On April 12 2013 07:40 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 07:37 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:36 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:35 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:33 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:29 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:18 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:17 SlixSC wrote:On April 12 2013 07:14 neoghaleon55 wrote:On April 12 2013 07:13 SlixSC wrote:
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We don't, but likewise, who talks about march when it was only roughly 2 weeks of tournament play and aligulac is known to not include all games in their database?
Their database is more complete than even TLPD according to an article published in february of this year. But their database roughly ignores 30% of all the matches in the liquipedia database. You are comparing one inaccurate statistic with another one, what's the point? Can you give a source for that "ignoring 30%?" Where did you get the number 30%? It's actually a little bit more than that even. The total amount of non-mirror matches played in GSL this season (ignoring up and downs since they were played in Wings) is 359 non-mirrors. Aligulac only has roughly 230 of these matches in their database. So they have missed roughly 35% of all matches. http://aligulac.com/results/events/11898/http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Qualifierhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_Korea_GSL/Code_SHow is this reliable to you? That's still being updated regularly. It's like that for every current tournaments. Even TLPD sometimes takes weeks to update fully on current events. Weak sauce argument. And the statistics I posted are updated in real time and include all games played in the respective tournaments. How is it a weak sauce argument when you are relying on statistics that are either terribly inaccurate or incomplete and I rely on statistics that include every single game that was played over the course of the last 2 weeks. Explain it to me. because...you were talking about april balance when it's april 11th... end of story. almost 2 weeks worth of data, you were talking about march balance which didn't even include half as many games. Hypocrite. Are you really trying to sell the point that your 2 weeks worth of data paints a better picture of balance than aligulac's massive database that spans the whole life time of Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm? wow... yea I give up with you.
I thought we were talking about Heart of the Swarm? What does Wings of Liberty have to do with this now?
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Code s showing that the metagame needs more time. All of a sudden zergs are enjoying their zvts again with crisp aggressive plays!
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Haha Zerg players...
And Terran will probably still get nerfed nonetheless, Blizzard listens to their most important customers.
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Well, my gut still tells me imbalance in TvZ, but you have to respect the results at the highest level (even if bomber, mkp and fantasy played kinda shit). At the moment it is hard to see a compelling reason for a nerf. But once code-S T starts using the hellbat, who knows? ^^
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Terran winrate over Zerg is only 54.8%... Thats not enough to justify any changes. PvT is a little tougher at 42.4% for Toss. I need to check out some games with P getting pwned for myself since my TvP sucks lol
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