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On May 31 2015 22:27 LSN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 22:06 keglu wrote:On May 31 2015 21:57 LSN wrote:
The key to the big issues of SC2 is to disallow terran to play pure bio into 80% bio in both TvZ and TvP. Sure, let's make more Terrans play mech in TvZ. It's so much more dynamic and entertaining  You don't understand. Bio is like the lady in chess. It can do all the important basic moves at the same time and your opponent is having only them. This by default reduces strategic diversity. (Bio = best anti air combined with vikings, best main army, best harrassment in mobility and dps, zero to few gas costs) Causal connections: Due to the overwhelming strength of bio, the potential mech component of bio+mech composition can't be relatively buffed without making terran overpowered (different combinations of bio+mech compositions should be the goal for sc2, not pure mech or pure bio). Then cause they can't buff mech (relatively), you wont create incentives for those bio+mech compositions. (Sidenote: Thor needs to be removed. It creates too random and unreliable results (magic box mutas vs. clumped mutas) and should be simply replaced by a unit like the goliath). Then again, if you don't create incentives for compositions where bio is in the minority, SC2 will forever be stuck in bio vs splash hardcounter vs. hardcounter situations that it is now. This creates SCV all-in as well as muta/bling only since 5 years. The shortage of gas in any way makes bio interesting again by default. As an example, ppl forget that in broodwar lategame TvP bio become interesting again simply due to fact that it costs almost no gas and gas in BW was the limiting factor for dominating terran units just as it is now for protoss and zerg still. Therefore we were going to see mech into bio transitions in such a meta in any way. Also bio is still a nice addition to mech with just a few damage upgrades (without having to go 2-2 into 3-3 asap) and can replace helions/helbats in certain situations.
what the hell are you talking about? In no matchup terran plays pure bio, in tvt you need tanks, in tvz widow mines and thors and in tvp vikings.
it is already a combination of bio and mech except in tvp where it is a combination of bio and air.
But I don't know why I'm responding at all to someone who thinks bio has the best main army in the game.
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By mech, he means BW siege tank.
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On May 30 2015 22:33 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 11:12 usethis2 wrote:
Protoss will sooner or later figure out air builds against Zerg thanks to the nerfed SH. As of now, most of Protoss go for mass sentries (which are OP by themselves) because they provide reliable wins. If/when Forcefield is nerfed (or before that), someone will come up with air builds that will leave Z in despair. Considering that SH were Zerg's answer to mass Protoss air pre-nerf, it does not take a lot to imagine how air army will fare against Zerg's anti-air. Alicia should consider a comeback. I don´t think air builds are nothing to worry about as long as mix of sentries/blink/immortals and storm is the strongest composition protoss has. Protoss mid-game against Z is crazy strong at the moment.
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I think you meant air builds are nothing to worry about? What you wrote reads the opposite.
In any case, I am predicting the future, not stating that air builds are an issue right this moment. I just wanted to comment on tangential (but inevitable) follow-up to SH nerf. Z does not have units to contend P's air. When SH defense was feasible, they went with mass Spores + mass Queens + some Hydra while leaving the ground defense to SH. Now that strat is no longer viable, resurgent of Protoss air is inevitable at some point in time, especially if Sentries/Forcefields are nerfed in the future.
Protoss now amass Sentries to the victory in PvZ. In the past, good players took victories with excellent Forcefield usage. Now what I see is Protoss going for more than enough Sentries to mask/augment imperfect Forcefields. 15+ Sentries are common and some players even build more than 20 Sentries. What it does is guaranteeing virtually unlimited amount of Forcefields, even accounting for wasted ones. Sentries are the new Infestors.
It is important to note that Zerg basically has the same tools against Protoss as in WoL in early/mid game while Protoss acquired a lot more tools and advantages. PvZ early/mid game in WoL was considered balanced with slight advantage going to Protoss thanks to Gateway timing attacks. MSC alone provides so many utilities which synergize well with Sentries.
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BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face.
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i think the only balance problem currently is pvz with mass blink stalker balls.
i can see people saying terran might be a bit stronger than protoss and i think bio vs zerg is a bit weaker on the current mappool but i think overall those matchups are in a good state balance wise (i really cant agree with people saying mech is too strong vs zerg, the games are pretty boring yes but i rarely see terrans win with it)
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On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face.
PvT is very hard in the current map pool. Tournaments are still not using the current map pool....
Also, try playing PvT.
It's not as easy as you make it seem.
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On June 04 2015 01:58 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. PvT is very hard in the current map pool. Tournaments are still not using the current map pool.... Also, try playing PvT. It's not as easy as you make it seem.
My race is always harder than your race
Also, the cheeses you have can't be scouted
And are also way too strong and should be nerfed
While mine at least can transition to macro play
My anecdotal data is better than your data.
#thetruthisoutthere
#allbalancediscussionssoundlikethis
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On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face.
I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped.
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Protoss has always sucked lol, they just have so much stupid gimmicky shit that gets discovered to keep them ~50% winrate
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I hate it when people think of every move the Protoss has as a gimmick. Protoss is just designed around timing windows opening and closing till you have the AoE that you need to put a "normal" macro fight, which, in my humble opinion, makes the over-reliance on AoE the only gimmick this race has.
If I go for Oracle into Robo, I am not investing in a "gimmicky unit", I'm investing in a tech path and a tech unit that hopefully forces the opponent to play defensive for a while, thus giving me more time to get these needed AoE units to be able to actually push or secure a 3rd. Same with defensive mass Sentry/Stalker into 3rd into Collosus in PvZ.
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On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped.
When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts.
Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS.
We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches.
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On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches.
Parting didn't win a GSL, Life did ;p the savior of Zerg.
Zergs just gave up whining, pretty sure zerg is getting rekt now on GSL ro8, already got rekt on SSL.
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On June 04 2015 21:12 sibs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches. Parting didn't win a GSL, Life did ;p the savior of Zerg. Zergs just gave up whining, pretty sure zerg is getting rekt now on GSL ro8, already got rekt on SSL.
Having 3 out of 8 spots is getting rekt?
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On June 04 2015 21:19 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 21:12 sibs wrote:On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches. Parting didn't win a GSL, Life did ;p the savior of Zerg. Zergs just gave up whining, pretty sure zerg is getting rekt now on GSL ro8, already got rekt on SSL. Having 3 out of 8 spots is getting rekt?
Curios and Byul are too good so they are not counted 
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On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches.
Can you provide statistics showing amount of players for each race?
TvP was below 50% for 7 months till March 2014 (mothership core,widow mine patch) and after the patch it was above 50% for 14 straight months.
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On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches.
WRONG!
People moved to Legacy of the Void section, where they theorycraft, because there is at least a chance that some change would happen
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On June 05 2015 00:25 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches. Can you provide statistics showing amount of players for each race? TvP was below 50% for 7 months till March 2014 (mothership core,widow mine patch) and after the patch it was above 50% for 14 straight months.
Use your same statistics (by aligulac) and let it give you the amount of TvT, PvP and ZvZ. You will see, that TvT is the lowest all time. Thats not due to the fact that Terrans are lucky 14 month straight to not fight alot of TvTs or they just suck all and get out early, its about there arent so much Terrans playing at all. The whole scenes in Asia outside of Korea (PRC, RoC, Australiasia) dont have alot of terran power at all. (but count to Aligulacs statistics) Vanilla was for some time the only RoC terran I could name (till he retired) and in TesL he was mearly alone.
We had about 50 pages of fighting for "my statistics is better then yours" and "your statistic does not show the whole picture" and gone to nothing. But seeing that the whole T patching/buffing has not changed the winrates in aligulacs TvP statistics, 14 month straight slightly below 50%, does not show, that the balance has not changed since protoss nerfes + mine shield buff, but that the statistic is not able to show everything.
But still I keep it with this thread not as much whiny and toxic since every it existed: SSL with 2 of 16 players T would have made a giant shitstorm early-mid 2014. Today we just say its just unlucky (and maybe not so much T pros at all), because nobody can say T is underperforming but also not overperforming much.
On June 05 2015 00:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches. WRONG! People moved to Legacy of the Void section, where they theorycraft, because there is at least a chance that some change would happen
I dont follow LotV balance stuff cause I dont like the direction of development, but I dont think thats the point. HotS still gets patched (SH patch). I still think SC II had no phase ever that was such balanced like today (hell I go to the holy cow and say it is more balanced the B.W.) and since we got rid of the Terran Buff Matchpool of S3 2014, Maps can be used again to work as balancing factor.
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On June 04 2015 21:19 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 21:12 sibs wrote:On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches. Parting didn't win a GSL, Life did ;p the savior of Zerg. Zergs just gave up whining, pretty sure zerg is getting rekt now on GSL ro8, already got rekt on SSL. Having 3 out of 8 spots is getting rekt?
I think they'll get rekt when people are actually preparing for Zerg, not preparing for the other race in group play. Zergs got to the ro8 on SSL as well, didn't turn out well for them, even though Life almost made it out.
People should not be using RAW aligulac stats, too many mismatches (noise) on those stats, but filtered out for games only between "Good" players, a good definition for "good" could be players on the GSL/SSL.
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On June 05 2015 01:11 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 00:25 keglu wrote:On June 04 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped. When there are less T then P Players (which it still is), more strong Ts will hit weaker Ps then strong Ps will hit weaker Ts. Easy to argue with "the fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%". If you have less Ts, the best Ts will fight against much more weaker Ps then the other way arround and thus giving TvP more then 50%. Hell this statistic was even up to date with TvP>50% during Blink area Terran get rekt fest, which was cleary a not balanced period of HotS. We have now the balanced phase o Starcraft II we ever had and next to occasional whine and response in one or two pages this thread is dead since 5 month or so. After the storm of the terran buff series and the wins of Bomber, Innovation and MMA in the 3 leagues of 2014, the whole balance discussion stuff has setteld down since Lifes Blizzcon win and later PartinGs GSL win. Thats for me a balanced phase, when almost no one posts in her for month. Even the SH patch made only a few pages. Compare that to Mine Patches. Can you provide statistics showing amount of players for each race? TvP was below 50% for 7 months till March 2014 (mothership core,widow mine patch) and after the patch it was above 50% for 14 straight months. Use your same statistics (by aligulac) and let it give you the amount of TvT, PvP and ZvZ. You will see, that TvT is the lowest all time. Thats not due to the fact that Terrans are lucky 14 month straight to not fight alot of TvTs or they just suck all and get out early, its about there arent so much Terrans playing at all. The whole scenes in Asia outside of Korea (PRC, RoC, Australiasia) dont have alot of terran power at all. (but count to Aligulacs statistics) Vanilla was for some time the only RoC terran I could name (till he retired) and in TesL he was mearly alone. We had about 50 pages of fighting for "my statistics is better then yours" and "your statistic does not show the whole picture" and gone to nothing. But seeing that the whole T patching/buffing has not changed the winrates in aligulacs TvP statistics, 14 month straight slightly below 50%, does not show, that the balance has not changed since protoss nerfes + mine shield buff, but that the statistic is not able to show everything. But still I keep it with this thread not as much whiny and toxic since every it existed: SSL with 2 of 16 players T would have made a giant shitstorm early-mid 2014. Today we just say its just unlucky (and maybe not so much T pros at all), because nobody can say T is underperforming but also not overperforming much.
In terms of amount of mirrors. Z>P>T. How is it that only it affects TvP. Why are TvZ and ZvP not having higher winrates for less played race?
Is Terran vs Zerg since since TvZ is below 50% and there is less Terran than Zergs? Should be even more above 50% than TvP based on your logic.
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On June 04 2015 20:14 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2015 05:02 usethis2 wrote:
BTW, PvT is not a problem, lol, at least not for P. I do not know how some people argue that with a straight face. I can argue that with straight face. Try argue with fact of 14 straight months of TvP>50%. Last month it went back to50,5 towards Protoss so maybe this trend is stopped.
Well, win rates matter but at the highest level you should pay attention to the players' skills in-game. Such as;
Macro
Micro
Strategy/Mind games
Map control
Minimap awareness
Reaction time
Crisis management/Decision making
Last but not least, APM
With the above, seasoned viewers can guage the skill level of a player. Watching PvT matches in GSL and ProLeague, PvT is fine. If anything I see more Protoss getting undeserved wins but wouldn't call the match-up imbalanced. (Terrans will have to learn a better way to deal with Prism/mass Zombilot warp-ins in late game)
PvZ is a different matter altogether. Mass Sentries have been problematic since WOL and so is that Zerg early game is exactly the same as in WoL's when Protoss gained a lot more tools in HoTS. It's ridiculous to watch how some pro Protoss "micro" their army by casting Forcefield and holding position, or a-move to a win.
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