Designated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 1224

PvT is around 46% in last 9 months, seems really bad. What do you think it's a problem here?
PvZ, TvZ around 50% lately.

On May 30 2015 22:43 ejozl wrote:

Dno if that's so bad, but personally if anything Terran should be nerfed, I think it should be aimed at SCV pulls, produce the most lame games imo.

On May 31 2015 04:50 keglu wrote:


PvT is really problematic imo. Removing mines bonus damage to shields is quite obvious choice imo. Design wise i would like to seen speed bonus for medivacs removed.

On May 30 2015 23:07 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:

do you think that if terran thought they had a good chance vs late game P that they would avoid throwing away their economy for a single attack at the end of the midgame?

On May 31 2015 05:07 Phaenoman wrote:


Pretend WM get nerfed as u suggest and speed for vecs is removed. If that's all, then prepare for games where Protoss has all the freedom in the world of PvT and Terrans have even less working options than they currently have. WM and speedvec are good no doubt. But other than that, there is nothing that keeps Terrans alive.
Before suggesting this, think also about alternatives that makes this MU more interesting and colorful for both sides.

On May 31 2015 14:17 sibs wrote:
Isn't protoss like... doing really really well?

We have 8P 5T 3Z left on GSL/SSL.

On May 31 2015 14:46 Agh wrote:
Widow mines and map layout doom drops are the only reason Terrans are favored currently.

Would like to see widow mines brought down to around 50 hp. Their current health is pretty unjustified.
You can just blindly build a cannon in your mineral line every game because the mine/marine suicide drop is coming.

I don't think medivac speed boost should be changed, reducing their health would be a better direction but I just think mines are plaguing the ZvT and PvT matchups in their own respective ways.

On May 31 2015 18:42 keglu wrote:


Thats problematic too. There are few Top Protoss players that are doing really well but i feel like below that level it's not really balanced right now.



I thin mines are ok in ZvT. Zerg has zerglings to sacrifice/redirect mines to Terran army. So it's quite interesting.
Still think medivac speed is a problem - drops should be more risky.

On May 31 2015 18:54 RaFox17 wrote:

There are a lot more protoss players doing well than zerg´s. For a long time there has really been only one zerg that has been really challenging for trophies. Strange that the discussion is about protoss when it is currently beating the living shit out of zerg. I agree about terran drops as one successful drop is enough even if you fail with the first 3-5 attempts.

On May 31 2015 21:38 keglu wrote:



Since i'm talking about TvP not sure how it's Zerg related.
Also "Protoss beating living shit out of Zerg" does not show in statistics (PvZ very close to 50% in last 6 months)

On May 31 2015 21:57 LSN wrote:
The key to the big issues of SC2 is to disallow terran to play pure bio into 80% bio in both TvZ and TvP.

On May 31 2015 22:06 keglu wrote:


Sure, let's make more Terrans play mech in TvZ. It's so much more dynamic and entertaining

On May 31 2015 22:27 LSN wrote:

Due to the overwhelming strength of bio, the potential mech component of bio+mech composition can't be relatively buffed without making terran overpowered (different combinations of bio+mech compositions should be the goal for sc2, not pure mech or pure bio).

On May 31 2015 23:01 keglu wrote:


Mech components cannot be buffed since current mech is strong enough in 2 matchups.Some even say mech is too strong as it is in TvZ.
TvT is considered best mirror, TvZ best matchup. I think Terran desing is ok. Tanks reutrn in TvZ bio would be nice though.

On May 31 2015 23:11 LSN wrote:


I cannot say a single thing against this. It is all true.

But what I can say: Mech has been designed a bit like bio, a complete thing in its own. They should have rather given each style its holes that must be complemented. Mech, tho, is naturally limited by gas. Therefore at many points a terran gets the choice to add bio to the composition instead of spamming hellbats/helions. But 2-3 occasional tanks or thors mixed into the bio army doesn't create diversity at all. Zerg is still stuck on the task to deal with the bio. Thats the issue.

From the pace of the game TvZ might be the best matchup. But when playing it then it becomes highly repetitive and boring. It is on the zerg side all about ling, bling and muta and microing them well as bio is too strong and mobile to be faced with anything else of the zerg repertoire.

Anyway lets see how LOTV develops.

On May 31 2015 05:10 ejozl wrote:

I think more are capable of playing late game TvP than we currently see. It's probably not worth it atm to practice for the late game, since you can obtain higher win rate practicing mid game harass->scv pull.
4% from 50% is not much, but if it's put towards allowing Protoss to enter the late game, maybe we will at least see a few more Terrans try going into the late game.