EPTPlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation - Page 14
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:51 Fubi wrote: The main point is that each team had individual freedom to make that decision for themselves and no rule or decision was made collectively by S2CON. It doesn't matter if they had the individual freedom to do it, they still did it collectively. It doesn't matter that it wasn't imposed on them when they decided to act together. The people making the decision within the team are the very same people that run sc2con. It is indistinguishable. | ||
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Fleebenworth
463 Posts
Maybe one day people will learn to not trust anything NASL says about anything. Even if they drastically changed/fixed all the problems with their format tomorrow I am not sure it would be enough for players at this point. | ||
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esc0bar
Canada112 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:51 Fubi wrote: [/b]The main point is that each team had individual freedom to make that decision for themselves and no rule or decision was made collectively by S2CON. Yeah, there probably was no blackmail or threats from sc2con eh? Seems like the cleanest and most legit organisation lately. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:51 Dr.Sin wrote: If everyone within an organization coordinates with one another to act in unison, it makes no difference to say the organization or the individual members did it. Again, no not everyone in S2CON made this decision. NASL mentioned 5 teams are withdrawing. only 3 of them are in S2CON | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:51 Dr.Sin wrote: If everyone within an organization coordinates with one another to act in unison, it makes no difference to say the organization or the individual members did it. We talk about serious issues not school bullshit, it matters, even if all the members of sc2con took the decision together outside of sc2con. An organization like that has (probably legal) statuts, and they've to follow this, if it included that sc2con doesn't decide who goes to which tournament, then accusing sc2con of doing this is false. And that's not even the case, some members of sc2con decided to don't participate in NASL. And this bullshit PR from NASL give them an excuse to counter-attack instead of being on the defensive due to this contract issue. Either you're a troll or never have an experience of collective negociation, because you seem to don't understant how does it work. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
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TDN3
United States81 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:23 Doso wrote: Yo Koreans, if you don't want to play in our leagues that's fine. But don't expect us to play in yours (GSL) either, hokay? lol....ur so smart | ||
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esc0bar
Canada112 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:54 Imres wrote: We talk about serious issues not school bullshit, it matters, even if all the members of sc2con took the decision together outside of sc2con. An organization like that has (probably legal) statuts, and they've to follow this, if it included that sc2con doesn't decide who goes to which tournament, then accusing sc2con of doing this is false. And that's not even the case, some members of sc2con decided to don't participate in NASL. And this bullshit PR from NASL give them an excuse to counter-attack instead of being on the defensive due to this contract issue. Either you're a troll or never have an experience of collective negociation, because you seem to don't understant how does it work. And the only team that wants to pârticipate in NASL that is part of sc2con decided to leave the organisatino following blackmail and threats, simple maths here. But please feel free to keep the korean penis in your mouth, it must not take a lot of place in any case, see what i did there? | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:54 NHY wrote: Again, no not everyone in S2CON made this decision. NASL mentioned 5 teams are withdrawing. only 3 of them are in S2CON FXO and TSL quit SC2Con due to problems with them. The only one who pulled out who was not in SC2Con was SlayerS. | ||
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NineKOne
Canada92 Posts
Blizzard designed the game to be fun with 1 click of the "find match" button. not this bureaucratic non-sense. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:56 esc0bar wrote: And the only team that wants to pârticipate in NASL that is part of sc2con decided to leave the organisatino following blackmail and threats, simple maths here. That's an other problem, prove from a legal pov that sc2con took this decision and that NASL told the truth when accusing them. They fucked up but ppl don't recognized it I don't know why. And sc2con is bigger than those team, I don't know how the decisions are taken, but it's not even sure that if the statuts were ok that they could have taken this decision in sc2con. But stay in your world where unknown facts are here to prove your views. | ||
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OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
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graph1k
United States97 Posts
Yes, 4 players are given a free ride by MLG, but how many Koreans were at the last MLG? Had to have been at least 8, probably more, and more come every time. This suggests NASL is definitely not free of guilt in this issue. More likely both sides deserve a little fault and there was some bad communication. As someone said earlier though. NASL coming straight to TL with their release seems to me to be a move designed to get the SC2 community on their side and a plea not to believe the other side. Release your press releases on your own website, TL will get the info in due time. This is a community site not your personal press site. Edit: On August 15 2011 02:59 OPL3SA2 wrote: This seems pretty obvious that NASL is being punished for the way they tried to snipe Korean players at the events. Naturally there is going to be a bit of ambiguity related to the exact reasons, but all of the coaches are running around telling each other not to let their players play in the NASL. 50,000$ one time winner payout isn't worth wrecking your team Wait, what? NASL tried to snipe nobody? NASL has no team, EG is LOOSELY (very very very very much so, and even less so now that Incontrol is gone) tied to NASL. EG tried to get players, not NASL. Korean teams have no reason to punish NASL for that. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:53 Dr.Sin wrote: It doesn't matter if they had the individual freedom to do it, they still did it collectively. It doesn't matter that it wasn't imposed on them when they decided to act together. The people making the decision within the team are the very same people that run sc2con. It is indistinguishable. It totally matters and is totally different. Like my example earlier, people at concerts stood up to clap when others around them does it, is totally different from being told at the time they entered that "you must stand up and clap or else you will be asked to leave the concert". One is ethically wrong while the other is a perfectly normal human nature. The same for S2CON. It is ethically wrong to make a rule or force everyone to withdraw collectively, while there is absolutely nothing wrong with one guy telling his friends that "well I'm gona withdraw, because so and so doesn't seem worth it anymore", and then his friends thought about it and went like "yea you're right, I agree, I think I'm gonna do that too". We all do the latter, it is a part of social nature, while the former is just ethically wrong. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:59 OPL3SA2 wrote: This seems pretty obvious that NASL is being punished for the way they tried to snipe Korean players at the events. Naturally there is going to be a bit of ambiguity related to the exact reasons, but all of the coaches are running around telling each other not to let their players play in the NASL. 50,000$ one time winner payout isn't worth wrecking your team NASL didn't try to swipe anyone? If anyone deserves that blame, it's EG. What was NASL supposed to do? Hire people to follow managers around to make sure they're not speaking to any players? If a team manager chooses to speak to a player directly instead of their manager, it's their fault. If a player chooses to leave a team because of a better offer, it's the player's fault, or the team's fault for not being competitive enough. Besides, problem easily solved by making players sign contracts saying they're not allowed to quit for a certain period after attending foreign tournaments. So I highly doubt that's the reason for this mess and if it is, it is wrong and petty and is only harming players over something very stupid. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:56 esc0bar wrote: And the only team that wants to pârticipate in NASL that is part of sc2con decided to leave the organisatino following blackmail and threats, simple maths here. But please feel free to keep the korean penis in your mouth, it must not take a lot of place in any case, see what i did there? Did you even READ FXO's post? It CLEARLY stated that the post had NOTHING to do with this matter, and that them leaving S2CON was due to other reasons. And it also CLEARLY stated that S2CON did not force them about the NASL situation. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:59 OPL3SA2 wrote: This seems pretty obvious that NASL is being punished for the way they tried to snipe Korean players at the events. Naturally there is going to be a bit of ambiguity related to the exact reasons, but all of the coaches are running around telling each other not to let their players play in the NASL. 50,000$ one time winner payout isn't worth wrecking your team What? NASL isn't a team, you're thinking of EG, and that's a completely different subject. Something like that could happen at any foreign tournament, not just the NASL... | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
It's irrelevant, somebody still signed a contract and they didn't play. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 15 2011 02:40 thanhbao86 wrote: So then people cant post but still can read and have their own opinions? How is that different from what we have now? You will have both stories when each party releases it (Just different threads, but they are still the first post so it is easy to find). If you care you will read them both. I dont see any problem to realize it is only one sided story in the post. Basically, It is not TL that is the problem its people thinking is the problem. TL is not a judge, it is just a community site. It is not even a news site. It is not its job to clear the confusion, that job belongs to the parties involved. It is your job to wait for the whole story before jumping on the bandwagon and conclude. If you are confused, dont post and dont involve in it since you dont know. A real solution is that people need to mature the hell up and stop posting the first thing in their mind. PERIOD. TL has been and is still a discussion site, blocking discussion is not a TL thing to do. I am sorry if you think i insulted you, but your first post has no real solution beside saying tl mods have to do sth, so I stay corrected. I agree that people need to mature up and not post the first thing on their mind, but that's not going to happen. It is these people's endless speculation and condemnation in the threads that creates a snowball effect. The TL community has a bad side to it, and this is it. Locking the threads, again, would be a pretty simple and harmless solution. | ||
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