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I dont mind about this at all, more room for foreign hopes to shine!
I wonder what Catz has to say about this...
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On August 13 2011 08:50 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:44 tripper688 wrote:On August 13 2011 08:39 Slider954 wrote:On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. You don't get it. If they thought they tourney was bad fine. That's their right. Nobody is faulting them for that. What people have a problem with is the fact that they signed CONTRACTS to participate in NASL, went thru all the qualifiers, let NASL begin filming matches and THEN decided to pull out. If the tourney was that poor to begin with why sign the contracts? Look at it like this, if lets say Huk signed a contract to compete in GSL and after the tourney started decided to say I don't like the way its being run and left, you would be crying bloody murder. (I just picked Huk at random, 1st name that popped into my head) Didn't IdrA do something like that by dropping out of GSL immediately before a season started? And afterwards when Rain pulled a similar stunt, he was promptly handed a 2 season ban from GOM? I don't know Tripper, wasn't following the scene that closely back then, so I'm not gonna say yes or no. And as a side note Trip, kinda funny how when this whole story broke we were arguing with each other and now we are sorta of on the same side. Full circle indeed lol
Lol. That's just how arguments go as news breaks and facts are released. The OP in and of itself has nothing to imply Korean wrongdoing which is where my initial stance came from. When NASL provided details on contract signings in the other thread, then the Koreans are clearly in the wrong...unless there is some crazy clause in the contract allowing for withdrawal should additional negotiation demands were not met.
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On August 13 2011 08:47 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Whether or not NASL is a horrible tournament is NOT the topic. The topic is Koreans withdrawing from said tournament at the last second, after playing the preliminary matches, and after signing contracts in which they agreed to participate. This has caused NASL season 2 to be delayed because new players are having to be found to replace all of the Korean drop-outs and entire league is having to be rescheduled because of SC2con's actions. The topic at hand is that the Koreans should have brought these issues up before it was too late. If they weren't going to play they should have notified NASL before they signed contracts and before they played the preliminary matches. It would have been unfortunate, but it would have been manageable. SC2con's actions have disrupted not only the NASL's schedule, but every single player as well that already had their matches scheduled. In contrast, Boxer did it the right way. He didn't like the tourney so he withdrew from Season 2 before signing a contract and before it affected the entire organization of the NASL.
That is the topic my friend, they are correlated. They would had never breached the contract if the NASL was all it promised to be.
The NASL is very reminiscent of Barack Obama.
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On August 13 2011 08:52 The_PhaCe wrote:
I dont mind about this at all, more room for foreign hopes to shine!
I wonder what Catz has to say about this...
Let's not even go there...it's not more room for foreign hopes to shine, it's watering down a tournament so foreigners might get more prize money. And I don't even think Catz would make top 8 in a tournament with 0 Koreans.
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On August 13 2011 08:44 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:39 Slider954 wrote:On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. You don't get it. If they thought they tourney was bad fine. That's their right. Nobody is faulting them for that. What people have a problem with is the fact that they signed CONTRACTS to participate in NASL, went thru all the qualifiers, let NASL begin filming matches and THEN decided to pull out. If the tourney was that poor to begin with why sign the contracts? Look at it like this, if lets say Huk signed a contract to compete in GSL and after the tourney started decided to say I don't like the way its being run and left, you would be crying bloody murder. (I just picked Huk at random, 1st name that popped into my head) Didn't IdrA do something like that by dropping out of GSL immediately before a season started? And afterwards when Rain pulled a similar stunt, he was promptly handed a 2 season ban from GOM?
No Idra didn't do something like this. He let them know far enough in advance and they wanted him to stay through the whole picking groups thing even though he wasn't going to be playing the season. Rain did leave though which is why he was banned from GSL for 2 seasons but Idra wasn't punished by GSL.
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On August 13 2011 08:54 BondJamesBond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:47 Devolved wrote:On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Whether or not NASL is a horrible tournament is NOT the topic. The topic is Koreans withdrawing from said tournament at the last second, after playing the preliminary matches, and after signing contracts in which they agreed to participate. This has caused NASL season 2 to be delayed because new players are having to be found to replace all of the Korean drop-outs and entire league is having to be rescheduled because of SC2con's actions. The topic at hand is that the Koreans should have brought these issues up before it was too late. If they weren't going to play they should have notified NASL before they signed contracts and before they played the preliminary matches. It would have been unfortunate, but it would have been manageable. SC2con's actions have disrupted not only the NASL's schedule, but every single player as well that already had their matches scheduled. In contrast, Boxer did it the right way. He didn't like the tourney so he withdrew from Season 2 before signing a contract and before it affected the entire organization of the NASL. That is the topic my friend, they are correlated. They would had never breached the contract if the NASL was all it promised to be. The NASL is very reminiscent of Barack Obama.
Comparing NASL to the President reeks of trolling and trying to start shit dragging politics into it. Lets keep the politics out of it before people start derailing the thread
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On August 13 2011 06:38 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:29 Doodsmack wrote:On August 13 2011 06:09 Cyrak wrote:On August 13 2011 06:05 ckw wrote:
I don't understand the logic behind thinking that Koreans dominating foreigners = better games? Now that everyone will be on an equal playing field it will mean more intense close games not ez money. This is the logic that I don't understand. I don't want to be watching games and thinking "wow... if <insert Korean> was playing this guy would get completely crushed... this is fake." You must hate all games not involving Nestea then. Let me put it simply: the difference between watching Puzzle vs. Morrow and MC vs. Nestea is not the same as the difference between Idra vs. TT1 and MC vs. Nestea. There is a threshold that separates the low to mid-end play of the foreign scene from the higher level European players and the Koreans. It is a threshold that is easily discernible to anyone who watches SC2 and takes it seriously.
You're telling me Morrow wouldn't get crushed by Puzzle? Sorry but your argument leads inevitably to a Korean-only tournament (and indeed, you said "insert Korean" in your first post). Sorry if you're so good at the game that can't stand watching mistakes, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of SC2 spectators are very impressed by top NA players.
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On August 13 2011 08:54 BondJamesBond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:47 Devolved wrote:On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Whether or not NASL is a horrible tournament is NOT the topic. The topic is Koreans withdrawing from said tournament at the last second, after playing the preliminary matches, and after signing contracts in which they agreed to participate. This has caused NASL season 2 to be delayed because new players are having to be found to replace all of the Korean drop-outs and entire league is having to be rescheduled because of SC2con's actions. The topic at hand is that the Koreans should have brought these issues up before it was too late. If they weren't going to play they should have notified NASL before they signed contracts and before they played the preliminary matches. It would have been unfortunate, but it would have been manageable. SC2con's actions have disrupted not only the NASL's schedule, but every single player as well that already had their matches scheduled. In contrast, Boxer did it the right way. He didn't like the tourney so he withdrew from Season 2 before signing a contract and before it affected the entire organization of the NASL. That is the topic my friend, they are correlated. They would had never breached the contract if the NASL was all it promised to be. The NASL is very reminiscent of Barack Obama.
I agree with the Obama comment, but disagree with the rest.
The Koreans knew what NASL is like and they signed contracts with it. If they didn't know how it is or weren't sure they shouldn't have signed the contracts.
With their child like behavior at pulling out at the last second they have now caused financial and operating damage to NASL and I really wish NASL would sue the Koreans for breach of contract and financial damages.
You just don't go on like a little children and doing whatever you want, they singed the contract they need to see it through.
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On August 13 2011 08:54 BondJamesBond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:47 Devolved wrote:On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Whether or not NASL is a horrible tournament is NOT the topic. The topic is Koreans withdrawing from said tournament at the last second, after playing the preliminary matches, and after signing contracts in which they agreed to participate. This has caused NASL season 2 to be delayed because new players are having to be found to replace all of the Korean drop-outs and entire league is having to be rescheduled because of SC2con's actions. The topic at hand is that the Koreans should have brought these issues up before it was too late. If they weren't going to play they should have notified NASL before they signed contracts and before they played the preliminary matches. It would have been unfortunate, but it would have been manageable. SC2con's actions have disrupted not only the NASL's schedule, but every single player as well that already had their matches scheduled. In contrast, Boxer did it the right way. He didn't like the tourney so he withdrew from Season 2 before signing a contract and before it affected the entire organization of the NASL. That is the topic my friend, they are correlated. They would had never breached the contract if the NASL was all it promised to be. The NASL is very reminiscent of Barack Obama.
for your sake i hope you never sign a binding contract hoping it will turn out to be something other than that was on it.
it like girls marring a guy thinking they will change him.
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On August 13 2011 08:51 tripper688 wrote:
t's understandable from their point of view to want something more this time around and maybe even drive a hard bargain to get reparations for the wrongs in season 1 but contract shenanigans were not the way to do it.
Their power play was a terrible idea because
1) the NASL is in its infancy and can't necessarily cater to them as much as they'd like
2) there are still plenty of other foreign events where koreans will participate so even if NASL was to disappear after their little stunt it's not like we're short of other things to watch/attend
3) in the end they're the ones looking unprofessional to anyone who takes a contract seriously
They look stupid/untrustworthy/dramaqueenish, and foreign tournaments other than NASL will continue happening regardless, with more prize money altogether than what GOM and GSL can offer for all the KR talent.
Like I said though in the end I'm almost happy because I foresee more KR pros joining foreign teams: less drama, more exposure, more financial stability.
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On August 13 2011 08:58 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:54 BondJamesBond wrote:On August 13 2011 08:47 Devolved wrote:On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Whether or not NASL is a horrible tournament is NOT the topic. The topic is Koreans withdrawing from said tournament at the last second, after playing the preliminary matches, and after signing contracts in which they agreed to participate. This has caused NASL season 2 to be delayed because new players are having to be found to replace all of the Korean drop-outs and entire league is having to be rescheduled because of SC2con's actions. The topic at hand is that the Koreans should have brought these issues up before it was too late. If they weren't going to play they should have notified NASL before they signed contracts and before they played the preliminary matches. It would have been unfortunate, but it would have been manageable. SC2con's actions have disrupted not only the NASL's schedule, but every single player as well that already had their matches scheduled. In contrast, Boxer did it the right way. He didn't like the tourney so he withdrew from Season 2 before signing a contract and before it affected the entire organization of the NASL. That is the topic my friend, they are correlated. They would had never breached the contract if the NASL was all it promised to be. The NASL is very reminiscent of Barack Obama. Comparing NASL to the President reeks of trolling and trying to start shit dragging politics into it. Lets keep the politics out of it before people start derailing the thread
Clever boy, you can't refute his argument, so you accuse him of derailing.
Interesting.
If I recall correctly, Barack Obama promised hope and change.
The NASL dubbed themselves the premier North American Tournament.
Its far too fishy.
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On August 13 2011 08:59 AllHailCommonSense wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:51 tripper688 wrote:
t's understandable from their point of view to want something more this time around and maybe even drive a hard bargain to get reparations for the wrongs in season 1 but contract shenanigans were not the way to do it. Their power play was a terrible idea because 1) the NASL is in its infancy and can't necessarily cater to them as much as they'd like 2) there are still plenty of other foreign events where koreans will participate so even if NASL was to disappear after their little stunt it's not like we're short of other things to watch/attend 3) in the end they're the ones looking unprofessional to anyone who takes a contract seriously They look stupid/untrustworthy/dramaqueenish, and foreign tournaments other than NASL will continue happening regardless, with more prize money altogether than what GOM and GSL can offer for all the KR talent. Like I said though in the end I'm almost happy because I foresee more KR pros joining foreign teams: less drama, more exposure, more financial stability.
it makes me wonder. how does this make other starting foreign tournaments like IPL who are getting more and more pressure to invite Korean players, are gonna do? especially with big live event planed for this year. will they just go ahead and not invite Koreans in order to not deal with there unrealistic demand?
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On August 13 2011 08:58 Cathasaigh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:44 tripper688 wrote:On August 13 2011 08:39 Slider954 wrote:On August 13 2011 08:33 TheSavageNation wrote:On August 13 2011 08:31 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:27 TheSavageNation wrote:
They signed the contract in good faith in the NASL that they would change their ways, their horrible production quality, the latency problems, and much more complaints.
Why did SlayerS team + Boxer leave the NASL before this debacle even happened?
Who is a better judge of esports, you or Boxer?
I think the latter. Lol "signed the contract in good faith" that's a new one. So wherever you come from, a contract isn't a binding agreement, it's just some piece of paper you throw around to look pretty? I have nothing at all against the SlayerS team because despite everything they may or may not think about NASL, they managed to muster enough professionalism to withdraw BEFORE the games had begun. Dodging the question. They left the NASL because it was a horrible tournament, it's been a mess since day 1. And Boxer is a far better judge than you when it comes to esports, that's a given. I think i'll take his opinion over yours. If he says the NASL is a bad tournament, then it is. 10+ years of Pro-gaming experience, a fan club of 600,000+, and world renown. And a beautiful wife. You lack common sense, my man. You don't get it. If they thought they tourney was bad fine. That's their right. Nobody is faulting them for that. What people have a problem with is the fact that they signed CONTRACTS to participate in NASL, went thru all the qualifiers, let NASL begin filming matches and THEN decided to pull out. If the tourney was that poor to begin with why sign the contracts? Look at it like this, if lets say Huk signed a contract to compete in GSL and after the tourney started decided to say I don't like the way its being run and left, you would be crying bloody murder. (I just picked Huk at random, 1st name that popped into my head) Didn't IdrA do something like that by dropping out of GSL immediately before a season started? And afterwards when Rain pulled a similar stunt, he was promptly handed a 2 season ban from GOM? No Idra didn't do something like this. He let them know far enough in advance and they wanted him to stay through the whole picking groups thing even though he wasn't going to be playing the season. Rain did leave though which is why he was banned from GSL for 2 seasons but Idra wasn't punished by GSL.
Gotcha. The IdrA thing is just so long ago that I don't even remember anymore lol.
On August 13 2011 08:58 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:38 Cyrak wrote:On August 13 2011 06:29 Doodsmack wrote:On August 13 2011 06:09 Cyrak wrote:On August 13 2011 06:05 ckw wrote:
I don't understand the logic behind thinking that Koreans dominating foreigners = better games? Now that everyone will be on an equal playing field it will mean more intense close games not ez money. This is the logic that I don't understand. I don't want to be watching games and thinking "wow... if <insert Korean> was playing this guy would get completely crushed... this is fake." You must hate all games not involving Nestea then. Let me put it simply: the difference between watching Puzzle vs. Morrow and MC vs. Nestea is not the same as the difference between Idra vs. TT1 and MC vs. Nestea. There is a threshold that separates the low to mid-end play of the foreign scene from the higher level European players and the Koreans. It is a threshold that is easily discernible to anyone who watches SC2 and takes it seriously. You're telling me Morrow wouldn't get crushed by Puzzle? Sorry but your argument leads inevitably to a Korean-only tournament (and indeed, you said "insert Korean" in your first post). Sorry if you're so good at the game that can't stand watching mistakes, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of SC2 spectators are very impressed by top NA players.
Some are, some aren't. The way I see it is, top level NA/EU play is impressive in it's own right, it's just that it becomes much less so when Koreans enter the scene. It's kind of like how a Lexus or a BMW is really nice and definitely luxury...but then when a Ferrari pulls up, it's kinda hard not to be drawn to that instead.
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On August 13 2011 08:29 TooL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:24 Nemireck wrote:On August 13 2011 08:15 TooL wrote:On August 13 2011 08:13 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:11 TooL wrote:
Does it say anywhere that they signed contracts for season 2? Yes, read the thread, it's been covered already. Why the fuck would i read the entire thread when I could just ask? All hail common sense. It's in the first post of the thread. The same place you'll find almost every answer to any question anyone may have related to the issue covered in the OP. Most intelligent people read the available information before they start to ask stupid questions, because they have common sense, and thus are capable of discovering things all on their own, without expecting the desired information to be spoon-fed to their lazy asses by intelligent people with common sense that spent 5 minutes reading ALL of the available information to educate themselves. No, it's not.
"Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable,"
Note that it was on the 2nd day of filming, for a league that doesn't allow players/teams to participate if they don't sign their contracts. Given that they were already beginning to film, it's a simple practice of logic to deduce that, in fact, they had signed their contracts.
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On August 13 2011 04:46 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 04:43 Azzur wrote:
Does anyone know who makes up the SC2Con? I've seen it posted somewhere but can't find it via google. Basically though it's an organization of SC2 Player coaches, SC2 Teams and SC2 Tournament organizers. Not every team is a member, such as SlayerS. But the idea was to have more collaboration between the players, teams and leagues and less KeSPA.
I feel like this is a move Kespa would approve of...
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Wait aa sec, why are ALL of the korean teams declined the offer? I'm pretty sure at least some team/team members have the money to come to NASL. It sounds like they are being controlled by one committee. Are we going to see a KeSPA v2.0 here or something?
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On August 13 2011 09:04 integrity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:59 AllHailCommonSense wrote:On August 13 2011 08:51 tripper688 wrote:
t's understandable from their point of view to want something more this time around and maybe even drive a hard bargain to get reparations for the wrongs in season 1 but contract shenanigans were not the way to do it. Their power play was a terrible idea because 1) the NASL is in its infancy and can't necessarily cater to them as much as they'd like 2) there are still plenty of other foreign events where koreans will participate so even if NASL was to disappear after their little stunt it's not like we're short of other things to watch/attend 3) in the end they're the ones looking unprofessional to anyone who takes a contract seriously They look stupid/untrustworthy/dramaqueenish, and foreign tournaments other than NASL will continue happening regardless, with more prize money altogether than what GOM and GSL can offer for all the KR talent. Like I said though in the end I'm almost happy because I foresee more KR pros joining foreign teams: less drama, more exposure, more financial stability. it makes me wonder. how does this make other starting foreign tournaments like IPL who are getting more and more pressure to invite Korean players, are gonna do? especially with big live event planed for this year. will they just go ahead and not invite Koreans in order to not deal with there unrealistic demand?
Sorry if it seems like I'm white knighting for the Koreans or w-e but their demands were made mostly due to their treatment in Season 1 making them view the current terms for Season 2 as unfeasible and not worth their time. They have no problem with any other major leagues and I honestly fail to see how this would happen with IPL unless they shaft the Koreans in that tournament as well.
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Anyone else find it hilarious how many new posters we have in this thread? Seems rather odd to see so many first posts in this thread
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NASL probably left a bad taste in the mouths of those Koreans that attended.
It was amateurish, especially when compared to the mainstream studio environment of Korea. The Tournament system was overly harsh and the whole thing was presented very poorly (besides the games themselves, which were exceptional).
All considered I think theres one point of value that NASL has overlooked as to why the Koreans have opted out. "TIME"; Is this shambles worth their time and when compared to the prime examples of MLG and Dreamhack, I think not, and on a further note I feel that the vast majority of the Korean's were badly stung by their experience with the NASL.
I doubt this matter is closed however, the Korean's have shown that they are eager to attend foreign tournaments but I believe SC2con's decision is the right one to protect its players. NASL must now redeem itself and prove its worth to the Korean's with strong production value and a new sense of professionalism.
If the NASL thinks this is all about money; they are very much mistaken but expecting the Koreans to pay their own fares and stay when abroad attending YOUR tournament, even if it will be repaid in the future is mildly outrageous.
Heres hoping the NASL gets its act together so the SC2con can reconsider by Season3.
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