EPTAfter all, it's not good for players to not be in tip-top shape when every match in the GSL is much more important for them.
Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 157
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KanoCoke
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After all, it's not good for players to not be in tip-top shape when every match in the GSL is much more important for them. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:11 TooL wrote: Does it say anywhere that they signed contracts for season 2? It's actually in a different thread. I think it was NASL responding to comments in the TiG editorial or something. | ||
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AllHailCommonSense
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On August 13 2011 08:13 KanoCoke wrote: @tripper688: Oh yeah, I remember reading about BoxeR and crew saying they weren't going to US tournaments for a bit via Twitter. I thought it was more on the fact that they spent so much money travelling to the US for MLG Columbus (MMA's trip), NASL season 1 (BoxeR's trip) and MLG Anaheim (BoxeR, MMA, Ganzi, and Alicia's trip), and didn't want their players (specifically Ryung, MMA and Ganzi) to get exhausted in between trips as they still haven't lost in the GSL Code A/S. After all, it's not good for players to not be in tip-top shape when every match in the GSL is much more important for them. Weren't all their travel expenses covered by MLG for MLG Anaheim? | ||
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Devolved
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TooL
Canada275 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:13 AllHailCommonSense wrote: Yes, read the thread, it's been covered already. Why the fuck would i read the entire thread when I could just ask? All hail common sense. User was warned for this post | ||
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TheSavageNation
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TheSavageNation
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:13 Deshkar wrote: That is why I feel something is still left untold in this "saga". Why was the NASL situation so different for the Koreans compared to the tons of other international tournaments that they've been participating in? It is not as if they have left or are leaving all foreign/global tournaments en masse, just this one, the NASL, why? NASL does offer a very sizable prize pool, but yet the Korean teams are strongly opposed to the league, why? What is the actual/accurate reason for the differing treatment given towards the NASL? Hopefully SC2Con, Mr Chae or a Korean insider will give us a clear formal response. While there are some who enjoy watching home grown/local progamers duke out for a title, without being overrun by an external/dominant force (koreans). There are many as well who view the progamers as individuals or even representatives of their races(TPZ), not view each match as country v country, but rather player v player/race v race. We want to watch the best Starcraft II games especially given the prize pools. A tournament prestige and starpower comes from its prize pool, production and most importantly its players. You can not call a tournament, a top-tier/premier tournament if you have a very significant section of the top players not even competing. While I may still watch some of the games (for some players) or part of the finals, I know that a large part of the tournament hype/competition has died given the drastically lowered playing field from before, it is an unavoidable feeling. All in all , this has been a lose-lose situation for almost everyone involved, fans, tournament organizers, players, sponsors ... ): The reason is because the organization and management of Season 1 was poor and the Koreans got a very raw deal. They didn't even try to give the Koreans a relatively even playing field. That's the problem the Koreans have with NASL vs the other tournaments. It's a much longer commitment, 3 months vs several days, on top of which, they were playing in what amounted to a stacked tourney having the worst latency as well as by FAR the worst scheduled play times the entire season. They viewed the potential compensation for R/O16 was not worth that headache and I honestly can't blame them. They still should have chose a better way of responding rather than with contract shenanigans. On August 13 2011 08:13 KanoCoke wrote: @tripper688: Oh yeah, I remember reading about BoxeR and crew saying they weren't going to US tournaments for a bit via Twitter. I thought it was more on the fact that they spent so much money travelling to the US for MLG Columbus (MMA's trip), NASL season 1 (BoxeR's trip) and MLG Anaheim (BoxeR, MMA, Ganzi, and Alicia's trip), and didn't want their players (specifically Ryung, MMA and Ganzi) to get exhausted in between trips as they still haven't lost in the GSL Code A/S. After all, it's not good for players to not be in tip-top shape when every match in the GSL is much more important for them. They spent a lot of money but on top of that, BoxeR did not leave NASL with a very good taste in his mouth after dealing with 3 months of crap scheduling only to play on bad latency and having it negatively affect the team's other commitments and practice. The Koreans are not alone in their view of NASL. Naniwa was pretty outspoken about that as well and Thorzain also withdrew. They're both in Korea now. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:15 AllHailCommonSense wrote: Weren't all their travel expenses covered by MLG for MLG Anaheim? IIRC it was plane fair and accomodation only. Public transportation, food, and personal shopping is all on SlayerS' side. Which is a fair deal, as having more than that seems a little too much. | ||
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LeakyBucket
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
$2000 is not enough to cover travel, hotel, food, travel time, and the risk of negative effects on performance in GSL that almost always occur after koreans have to travel to foreign tournaments. Foreign tournaments like MLG are unique and can afford to offer less because they have a direct link to GSL. An easier path to Code S for korean players makes it worthwhile for them to pay out of their own pockets to come over. NASL needs to wake up and make sure Koreans are part of their tournament or they around bound to lose considerable viewership and interest. | ||
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TheSavageNation
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:15 AllHailCommonSense wrote: Weren't all their travel expenses covered by MLG for MLG Anaheim? No, I believe the team had several members covered by Razer but Ganzi and Alicia had to pay for themselves/had the team pay for them. I don't think they were part of the exchange program for MLG Anaheim. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:15 TooL wrote: Why the fuck would i read the entire thread when I could just ask? All hail common sense. It's in the first post of the thread. The same place you'll find almost every answer to any question anyone may have related to the issue covered in the OP. Most intelligent people read the available information before they start to ask stupid questions, because they have common sense, and thus are capable of discovering things all on their own, without expecting the desired information to be spoon-fed to their lazy asses by intelligent people with common sense that spent 5 minutes reading ALL of the available information to educate themselves. | ||
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AllHailCommonSense
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On August 13 2011 08:22 jyLee wrote: If you want the best, you best pay like it. If you sign a contract, you best honor it. If they didn't like the money, they should have negotiated beforehand. Trying to weasel their way around a week after they signed is very unprofessional. | ||
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Takezou
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TheSavageNation
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AllHailCommonSense
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Let me know if I am. Because if I'm not then KR teams are 100% in the wrong here. | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:11 TooL wrote: Does it say anywhere that they signed contracts for season 2? In the response thread it does. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253928¤tpage=18#345 On August 13 2011 02:57 NASL.tv wrote: WeMadeFox contract signed July 25th. Prime contracted signed July 26th. oGs contracts signed July 26th. So from the period in which they were signed (July 25-26), it took TEN days for Mr.Chae (not even a person from SC2Con) to tell me that the Korean players had issues. After I responded, it took another FIVE days (August 9th) for Mr.Chae to notify the NASL that Koreans would not play in Season 2. | ||
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TooL
Canada275 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:24 Nemireck wrote: It's in the first post of the thread. The same place you'll find almost every answer to any question anyone may have related to the issue covered in the OP. Most intelligent people read the available information before they start to ask stupid questions, because they have common sense, and thus are capable of discovering things all on their own, without expecting the desired information to be spoon-fed to their lazy asses by intelligent people with common sense that spent 5 minutes reading ALL of the available information to educate themselves. No, it's not. | ||
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