• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:23
CEST 00:23
KST 07:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure0Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho2Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure4[ASL19] Ro4 Preview: Storied Rivals7Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12
Community News
[BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET1herO & Cure GSL RO8 Interviews: "I also think that all the practice I put in when Protoss wasn’t doing as well is paying off"0Code S Season 1 - herO & Cure advance to RO4 (2025)0Dark to begin military service on May 13th (2025)21Weekly Cups (May 5-11): New 2v2 Champs1
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure 2024/25 Off-Season Roster Moves Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure Dark to begin military service on May 13th (2025)
Tourneys
SEL Code A [MMR-capped] (SC: Evo) [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Cheeseadelphia 2025 - Open Bracket LAN! [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise
Brood War
General
ASL 19 Tickets for foreigners BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games Battlenet Game Lobby Simulator BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL19] Semifinal B [ASL19] Semifinal A [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Grand Theft Auto VI Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. Ask and answer stupid questions here! Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Why 5v5 Games Keep Us Hooked…
TrAiDoS
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Racial Distribution over MMR …
Navane
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5321 users

Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 155

Forum Index > SC2 General
3573 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 153 154 155 156 157 179 Next
Teriyaki-Boy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States26 Posts
August 12 2011 22:22 GMT
#3081
This post is asking people to choose side and its bringing alot of negativity into the starcraft community and its unprofessional. So what if the korean don't want to play in the Nasl, you don't have to point finger at them by calling them greedy; am sure there'e bigger reason than just travel expenses. On that note am not gonna start judging people base on what the Nasl is stating. "Ohhhh Herp!! Derp!! the korean must be this cause they say it is!!! i believe them cause i cant think for myself Herp!! Derp!!!!".
What is love? baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more......
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 12 2011 22:25 GMT
#3082
On August 13 2011 07:22 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
This post is asking people to choose side and its bringing alot of negativity into the starcraft community and its unprofessional. So what if the korean don't want to play in the Nasl, you don't have to point finger at them by calling them greedy; am sure there'e bigger reason than just travel expenses. On that note am not gonna start judging people base on what the Nasl is stating. "Ohhhh Herp!! Derp!! the korean must be this cause they say it is!!! i believe them cause i cant think for myself Herp!! Derp!!!!".



What is unprofessional is the koreans teams signing contracts for season 2, going thru qualifiers, letting NASL make up the schedules and start filming and then say Sorry, we are gonna pull our players.
Best in the world at what I do
muddymuddy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 22:27:04
August 12 2011 22:26 GMT
#3083
On August 13 2011 07:22 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
This post is asking people to choose side and its bringing alot of negativity into the starcraft community and its unprofessional. So what if the korean don't want to play in the Nasl, you don't have to point finger at them by calling them greedy; am sure there'e bigger reason than just travel expenses. On that note am not gonna start judging people base on what the Nasl is stating. "Ohhhh Herp!! Derp!! the korean must be this cause they say it is!!! i believe them cause i cant think for myself Herp!! Derp!!!!".


The post explains a situation that many fans and subscribers of NASL are entitled to know about and hear directly from NASL itself rather than a third party. It is professional for NASL to respond to said fans about the situation, what the problem is, what measures were taken to resolve the problem, and the end result, which is what the post did.

It is in people's nature to choose sides, but I don't think the post actively demands anybody to take any side.
Misanthrophic13
Profile Joined August 2011
Bahrain22 Posts
August 12 2011 22:27 GMT
#3084
On August 13 2011 07:26 muddymuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:22 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
This post is asking people to choose side and its bringing alot of negativity into the starcraft community and its unprofessional. So what if the korean don't want to play in the Nasl, you don't have to point finger at them by calling them greedy; am sure there'e bigger reason than just travel expenses. On that note am not gonna start judging people base on what the Nasl is stating. "Ohhhh Herp!! Derp!! the korean must be this cause they say it is!!! i believe them cause i cant think for myself Herp!! Derp!!!!".


The post explains a situation that many fans and subscribers of NASL are entitled to know about and hear directly from NASL itself rather than a third party. It is professional for NASL to respond to said fans about the situation, what the problem is, what measures were taken to resolve the problem, and the end result, which is what the post did.

It is in people's nature to choose sides, but I don't think the post actively demands anybody to take any side.


Your bias is showing.
The difference between satire and sarcasm is the difference between surgery and butchery. — Edward Nichols
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 12 2011 22:29 GMT
#3085
On August 13 2011 07:27 Misanthrophic13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:26 muddymuddy wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:22 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
This post is asking people to choose side and its bringing alot of negativity into the starcraft community and its unprofessional. So what if the korean don't want to play in the Nasl, you don't have to point finger at them by calling them greedy; am sure there'e bigger reason than just travel expenses. On that note am not gonna start judging people base on what the Nasl is stating. "Ohhhh Herp!! Derp!! the korean must be this cause they say it is!!! i believe them cause i cant think for myself Herp!! Derp!!!!".


The post explains a situation that many fans and subscribers of NASL are entitled to know about and hear directly from NASL itself rather than a third party. It is professional for NASL to respond to said fans about the situation, what the problem is, what measures were taken to resolve the problem, and the end result, which is what the post did.

It is in people's nature to choose sides, but I don't think the post actively demands anybody to take any side.


Your bias is showing.



And your bias is showing in the fact that you are ignoring that they signed contracts, made a commitment to NASL and then backed out of them.
Best in the world at what I do
Teriyaki-Boy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States26 Posts
August 12 2011 22:30 GMT
#3086
On August 13 2011 07:25 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:22 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
This post is asking people to choose side and its bringing alot of negativity into the starcraft community and its unprofessional. So what if the korean don't want to play in the Nasl, you don't have to point finger at them by calling them greedy; am sure there'e bigger reason than just travel expenses. On that note am not gonna start judging people base on what the Nasl is stating. "Ohhhh Herp!! Derp!! the korean must be this cause they say it is!!! i believe them cause i cant think for myself Herp!! Derp!!!!".



What is unprofessional is the koreans teams signing contracts for season 2, going thru qualifiers, letting NASL make up the schedules and start filming and then say Sorry, we are gonna pull our players.



My point exactly, you only assuming what the Nasl saying is true and its one sided and its bias.
What is love? baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more......
Misanthrophic13
Profile Joined August 2011
Bahrain22 Posts
August 12 2011 22:31 GMT
#3087
On August 13 2011 07:29 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:27 Misanthrophic13 wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:26 muddymuddy wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:22 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
This post is asking people to choose side and its bringing alot of negativity into the starcraft community and its unprofessional. So what if the korean don't want to play in the Nasl, you don't have to point finger at them by calling them greedy; am sure there'e bigger reason than just travel expenses. On that note am not gonna start judging people base on what the Nasl is stating. "Ohhhh Herp!! Derp!! the korean must be this cause they say it is!!! i believe them cause i cant think for myself Herp!! Derp!!!!".


The post explains a situation that many fans and subscribers of NASL are entitled to know about and hear directly from NASL itself rather than a third party. It is professional for NASL to respond to said fans about the situation, what the problem is, what measures were taken to resolve the problem, and the end result, which is what the post did.

It is in people's nature to choose sides, but I don't think the post actively demands anybody to take any side.


Your bias is showing.



And your bias is showing in the fact that you are ignoring that they signed contracts, made a commitment to NASL and then backed out of them.


LOL. Talk about putting words in other people's mouths.

I have no affiliations with any Korean teams or NASL. I'm merely a neutral party.

Pointing out flaws in your infallible logic.
The difference between satire and sarcasm is the difference between surgery and butchery. — Edward Nichols
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 22:37:04
August 12 2011 22:32 GMT
#3088
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.

Besides NASL hasn't done anything to make us doubt their word, while SC2Com has a recent track record of not exactly being on the up and up as evidenced by the EG/Puma and the FD/Tester/Coach Lee situations.
Best in the world at what I do
Misanthrophic13
Profile Joined August 2011
Bahrain22 Posts
August 12 2011 22:37 GMT
#3089
On August 13 2011 07:32 Slider954 wrote:
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.


They don't want to acknowledge the frauds at the NASL.

Mr. Chae said this very clearly that they don't want any ties with the NASL.

Apparently you, as an American know more about Korean culture and their team status.

How mighty arrogant of you.
The difference between satire and sarcasm is the difference between surgery and butchery. — Edward Nichols
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 12 2011 22:39 GMT
#3090
Um Mr Chae is on NASL side in this. He was actively trying to convince the Koreans to change their minds and participate in NASL.
Best in the world at what I do
Teriyaki-Boy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States26 Posts
August 12 2011 22:39 GMT
#3091
On August 13 2011 07:32 Slider954 wrote:
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.


Again, your quick to judge this post just came out for several hours and you asking the Sc2con to respond right away. Am sure they don't relized this post is out and how awful the NasL make them look. Give them time am sure they will find a better way to put an end to this negativity.
What is love? baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more......
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 12 2011 22:41 GMT
#3092
On August 13 2011 07:39 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:32 Slider954 wrote:
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.


Again, your quick to judge this post just came out for several hours and you asking the Sc2con to respond right away. Am sure they don't relized this post is out and how awful the NasL make them look. Give them time am sure they will find a better way to put an end to this negativity.



This story broke yesterday so I don't know where you are getting a couple of hours from. And I'm pretty sure they actively monitoring what NASL is saying about the situation.
Best in the world at what I do
Teriyaki-Boy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States26 Posts
August 12 2011 22:46 GMT
#3093
On August 13 2011 07:41 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:39 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:32 Slider954 wrote:
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.


Again, your quick to judge this post just came out for several hours and you asking the Sc2con to respond right away. Am sure they don't relized this post is out and how awful the NasL make them look. Give them time am sure they will find a better way to put an end to this negativity.



This story broke yesterday so I don't know where you are getting a couple of hours from. And I'm pretty sure they actively monitoring what NASL is saying about the situation.



Exactly, i dont expect them to respond right away and am sure as hell not gonna believe every thing Nasl is stating neither.
What is love? baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more......
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
August 12 2011 22:49 GMT
#3094
Ugh the NASL was a mess since day 1.
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 12 2011 22:49 GMT
#3095
On August 13 2011 07:46 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:41 Slider954 wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:39 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:32 Slider954 wrote:
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.


Again, your quick to judge this post just came out for several hours and you asking the Sc2con to respond right away. Am sure they don't relized this post is out and how awful the NasL make them look. Give them time am sure they will find a better way to put an end to this negativity.



This story broke yesterday so I don't know where you are getting a couple of hours from. And I'm pretty sure they actively monitoring what NASL is saying about the situation.



Exactly, i dont expect them to respond right away and am sure as hell not gonna believe every thing Nasl is stating neither.


Again what gives you reason to think NASL would lie about this? Just because its NASL and you just don't like them?
Best in the world at what I do
Misanthrophic13
Profile Joined August 2011
Bahrain22 Posts
August 12 2011 22:49 GMT
#3096
On August 13 2011 07:39 Slider954 wrote:
Um Mr Chae is on NASL side in this. He was actively trying to convince the Koreans to change their minds and participate in NASL.

Learn to comprehend please, Mr. Chae is the mediator between the Korean Teams and NASL.
The Korean teams made it very clear to Mr. Chae that they want NO connection with the NASL.
Which is why they haven't responded to your ludicrous 'demands'.
The difference between satire and sarcasm is the difference between surgery and butchery. — Edward Nichols
Misanthrophic13
Profile Joined August 2011
Bahrain22 Posts
August 12 2011 22:50 GMT
#3097
I just noticed something this Slider954 has been posting religiously on this topic for over 150 pages.
Jesus.

You working for the NASL?
The difference between satire and sarcasm is the difference between surgery and butchery. — Edward Nichols
Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
August 12 2011 22:51 GMT
#3098
I just have to say that Korean team participation or not the games are still going to be epic. Some of the most entertaining games have been played by foreigners, so although I'm sad it happened, I'm excited to see some amazing games and to see one of our well deserving foreigners win the title.

Good luck Much <3 NASL!
About ChoyafOu "if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does" Idra
Teriyaki-Boy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 22:54:59
August 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#3099
On August 13 2011 07:49 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:46 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:41 Slider954 wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:39 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
On August 13 2011 07:32 Slider954 wrote:
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.


Again, your quick to judge this post just came out for several hours and you asking the Sc2con to respond right away. Am sure they don't relized this post is out and how awful the NasL make them look. Give them time am sure they will find a better way to put an end to this negativity.



This story broke yesterday so I don't know where you are getting a couple of hours from. And I'm pretty sure they actively monitoring what NASL is saying about the situation.



Exactly, i dont expect them to respond right away and am sure as hell not gonna believe every thing Nasl is stating neither.


Again what gives you reason to think NASL would lie about this? Just because its NASL and you just don't like them?


Yeah, i don't like them cause i wanna hear both of the story and i don't like to rejudge from one end of the spectrum, which mean am not bias and by way to you stat that question towards me really show how Bias you are.
What is love? baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more......
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#3100
On August 13 2011 07:39 Teriyaki-Boy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 07:32 Slider954 wrote:
Do you really think NASL is going to lie about something like that?? Really?? You notice that SC2Com has not come out and refuted it, you would think that if it was a lie they would be all over it saying that it isn't true.


Again, your quick to judge this post just came out for several hours and you asking the Sc2con to respond right away. Am sure they don't relized this post is out and how awful the NasL make them look. Give them time am sure they will find a better way to put an end to this negativity.

The story has been out a full day and sc2con knew about all of this before the story as they are the ones that backed out.

Why aren't you believing what NASL has told us? Hell the TIG article pretty much states the same things, just from a sensationalist Korean view. And that was written by an advisor on the sc2con board! They know exactly about this post, thats why the TIG article was written. Ever think your being a little quick to judge NASL, saying they are lying?

Fact is that several teams signed contracts to play in season 2, knowing what the conditions were fully. Then they complained and threatened to leave. NASL tries to appease them to the best of their ability, but its not enough and it takes sc2con quite a bit of time to pull out of NASL, really screwing them over as they have started production.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Prev 1 153 154 155 156 157 179 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
17:00
GSL 2025 Ro8 Group B
GuMiho vs ReynorLIVE!
PiGStarcraft490
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft490
ZombieGrub103
ProTech97
JuggernautJason93
Nathanias 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Sexy 12
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm44
Counter-Strike
Fnx 2354
Stewie2K940
flusha402
Foxcn349
byalli261
kRYSTAL_36
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0165
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu601
Other Games
tarik_tv8248
summit1g8108
Grubby4480
shahzam365
RuFF_SC222
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv115
Other Games
BasetradeTV22
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 34
• davetesta22
• Hupsaiya 8
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 43
• blackmanpl 24
• Diggity6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler62
League of Legends
• Doublelift6118
• TFBlade1133
Other Games
• imaqtpie1296
• Scarra946
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
37m
OSC
1h 37m
GSL Code S
11h 7m
herO vs GuMiho
Classic vs Cure
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
20h 37m
OSC
1d 1h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 11h
SOOP
1d 19h
HeRoMaRinE vs Astrea
BSL Season 20
1d 19h
UltrA vs Radley
spx vs RaNgeD
Online Event
2 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Percival vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Spirit
MaxPax vs Jumy
BSL Season 20
2 days
TerrOr vs HBO
Tarson vs Spine
RSL Revival
2 days
BSL Season 20
2 days
MadiNho vs dxtr13
Gypsy vs Dark
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Nation Wars Season 2
PiG Sty Festival 6.0
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
2025 GSL S1
Heroes 10 EU
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

NPSL S3
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.