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On August 13 2011 05:58 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 05:57 ballasdontcry wrote:On August 13 2011 05:55 BoomNasty wrote:On August 13 2011 05:51 Smackzilla wrote:On August 13 2011 05:47 BoomNasty wrote:On August 13 2011 05:43 andsaca wrote:
still gonna watch, still gonna buy a season ticket. the NASL has too much potential to not support it yes i agree. i mean people are going mad about koreans not playing... whats wrong with having a tournament without koreans? Nothing wrong per se, but there's a ton of people that thought Boxer@Anaheim was completely awesome. Personally, it would have been a significantly lesser tournament without him, from a entertainment/fan perspective. you cant really say that, because if hes not there a lot of things would be different, and for all we know it could have been better better how? seeing lesser players make it to top 3? i don't see how NOT having the face of the starcraft series, or gaming altogether, would have been beneficial to MLG. never hear of the butterfly effect? we will never know how good the tournament would have been if boxer didnt show up. you cant go to extremes to say that without him it would have been awful because you just dont know that
yep, let's just see the butterfly effect of removing MVP, MMA, Ganzi, etc... I'm sure those NA guys hanging onto the seeds would definitely get a smooth cruise to the finals then!
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I felt that the Koreans were being a little too unreasonable with their demands, like Phoenix was when he was to join team Reign.
SlayerS seems to be the only team that's decent, and what do you know, they're not part of the SC2Con.
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I don't understand the logic behind thinking that Koreans dominating foreigners = better games? Now that everyone will be on an equal playing field it will mean more intense close games not ez money.
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On August 13 2011 05:26 cosimorondo wrote:
Ultimately the burden is on the NASL to acquire the best and most interesting players. The Korean players represent an asset to the NASL's ad revenue. For instance, Boxer participating in a tournament generates interest which generates ad revenue (a lot more than NA and EU players).
A 2000$ stipend may barely cover travel expenses if only economy options are taken. But what about paying them for their celebrity status? Famous people are payed large sums to make commencement speeches, to give you an example.
You get what you pay for. $2000 doesn't pay for much these days.
Players dont have to be reasonable at all? All NASL's fault. 2k is more than you think and probably understand seeing as how this is a business. You're almost saying NASL should just cave to their demands without thinking about their bank account.
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Darn, hope we still see the SlayerS` Blueflame + Marine drop! Those were fairly epic!
Too bad we wont see any possible new korean strategies at NASL.
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On August 13 2011 06:05 ckw wrote:
I don't understand the logic behind thinking that Koreans dominating foreigners = better games? Now that everyone will be on an equal playing field it will mean more intense close games not ez money.
ya im glad you have the same mindset as me...
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and how is diluting the talent pool supposed to produce better games or improve the NA scene?
either NA players could fly out to Korea like huk or the koreans come to their doorstep... i think NA players would take the latter anyday as it has next to no costs on their part to play better competition.
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On August 13 2011 06:05 ckw wrote:
I don't understand the logic behind thinking that Koreans dominating foreigners = better games? Now that everyone will be on an equal playing field it will mean more intense close games not ez money.
This is the logic that I don't understand. I don't want to be watching games and thinking "wow... if <insert Korean> was playing this guy would get completely crushed... this is fake."
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You know who is really getting screwed here is the Korean players. Have fun sitting in Korea trying to make it to the finals of your ONE tournament and then get the honor of playing in front of a few hundred fans in a glorified movie theater that a pop group opening can't fill. Guys you have to remember Korea isn't the king of SC2.(not talking about players) The west is where it's at. If the teams over there keep pulling this stuff don't be surprised to see a mass exodus to the foreign teams.
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I don't think this is a decision made by the players, but by the management and this blows for them. I don't think they have very much to say in issues like this and this is why I like foreign teams picking up korean players. They get much more freedom.
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This is sad on many levels. The Korean players have not only passed on a good opportunity to play out side of Korea they have also kinda spit in the face of there fans. When an organization puts forth this kind of effort to accommodate them and it is treated so unfairly and callas as to not even allow a fair amount of time to negotiate further. It was treated very much like a horrible business transaction by people who don't know how to do there job.
What makes it really bad are all the people who are trying to shit on the NASL for not having the "Korean Talent" this season. They made the effort and even went above and beyond offering them a much better everything. The community should actually be rallying behind the NASL to support them and see to it that it becomes the next MLG if possible. The talent in Korea is not limited to only Korea it will expand as sc2 grows older. For people to have such a retarded view as to not watch the tournament for the lack of Koreans is well retarded. They are good that is known and they do have the best people there for now. Why not watch and see who the next or in some eyes first foreigner is that will be on there level.
I look forward to the next season and I will be supporting the organization. Good luck and I am excited for the great matches.
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Guys, you have to understand that Korean culture is built around honor and respect, so it's no surprise they had issues working with greedy American pig-dogs.
Edit: A little too one-linerish. I just find it amusing that in the EG/TSL thread, there were so many people talking about this moral high ground that the Koreans surveyed us peons from.
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Sundance DiGiovanni > guy running NASL
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I think the team managers are afraid that more Korean players are going to be taken away from NA and EUteams with better sponsorships and can give these players a living wages. This is stupid. I really hope teams like EG, TL, Dignatas, mouz, sixjax, vibe and everyone else starts taking players away from Korean teams and start paying them..
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On August 13 2011 05:58 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 05:55 BoomNasty wrote:On August 13 2011 05:51 Smackzilla wrote:On August 13 2011 05:47 BoomNasty wrote:On August 13 2011 05:43 andsaca wrote:
still gonna watch, still gonna buy a season ticket. the NASL has too much potential to not support it yes i agree. i mean people are going mad about koreans not playing... whats wrong with having a tournament without koreans? Nothing wrong per se, but there's a ton of people that thought Boxer@Anaheim was completely awesome. Personally, it would have been a significantly lesser tournament without him, from a entertainment/fan perspective. you cant really say that, because if hes not there a lot of things would be different, and for all we know it could have been better I highly doubt that. Look at the traffic between MLG Dallas and MLG Columbus. Then Look at MLG Anaheim. The traffic has gotten exponentially higher for subsequent MLGs and that's due to the Koreans/Boxer.
Ever occur to you that it might also be partly because their streaming service stopped being horrible between Dallas and Columbus?
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On August 13 2011 05:12 Dreadwolf wrote:
Anyway i hope people who said they would not watch nasl if it lacked top koreans will change
their mind or else, eventualy the sponsors who pay for our team and our tounaments will lose
interest and lets face it sc2 is not super healthy in korea, since they cant even afford to pay
half of a plane ticket for the players who will qualify. Im not saying sc2 is dying in korea, but
its slow to take off for real.
So what you're saying is we should abandon Korea so that the Starcraft 2 scene dies over there?
These tournaments contribute very little to improving the players' skill. The tournaments are where you see the results of the players preparation and practice FOR the tournament.
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On August 13 2011 06:09 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:05 ckw wrote:
I don't understand the logic behind thinking that Koreans dominating foreigners = better games? Now that everyone will be on an equal playing field it will mean more intense close games not ez money. This is the logic that I don't understand. I don't want to be watching games and thinking "wow... if <insert Korean> was playing this guy would get completely crushed... this is fake."
You must hate all games not involving Nestea then.
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On August 12 2011 08:10 Boraz wrote:
Wow. Koreans seem stubborn. NASL it seems like tried to make all the accommodations they could afford and still the Koreans withdraw after the season starts? Koreans think to highly of themselves. We don't need them in the NASL anyway.
Just because few representatives such as Mr.Chae "threatened" and refused for other Koreans to participate in NASL does not mean that the Koreans are stubborn or think too highly of themselves.
Think about it this way, it's all business at the end of the day. Pros who live in Korea have to travel 12+ hour flight and then get to the certain designated destination even if the guys at NASL provide certain amount of money to cover accommodation, flight fee and etc; if the Koreans do not think that their (NASL's) business proposition is profitable enough they won't do it, simply because they would lose money.
They might seem a little stubborn and arrogant but they deserve to be if it is the case of "Oh, I don't think I should pay because I'm a Korean!" however, they have reputation (all the Korean players who are from/living in Korea) and earned their place. So it might be disadvantageous for them to be given the same circumstances as other players when they live so far away and etc.
Besides it wasn't decided by all Koreans who participated in a poll or something if their manager or whoever is in charge says no, they don't have a choice.
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I really don't like the choice of words either the sentence structure NASL has put this. I understand and can empathize the frustration on their department but using words such as "threatened" and sentences like "and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event" try explaining as of why? Because of travel issues? Or did they say "Oh, we are Koreans we should go in for free?"
I'm pretty sure we can all understand NASL's feelings at this very moment but to me the whole post seems a little one sided and opinionated, it doesn't feel like an apology or informative towards your viewers it almost feels like a complaint towards Koreans (written indirectly).
"We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season." - That can be debated, the post doesn't inform when the offer was made and when you wanted to hear back from them, for all I know guys at NASL could have made the final offer couple of days or even hours before the season kicked off.
Though I agree with the guys at NASL, it's somewhat disappointing that they would write what should be an informative subject in this fashion. You might trigger someone to think Koreans in a negative way. As quoted above, sure it's all personal opinions and people can think for themselves but it does not help the fact that the post seems a little unbalanced to me.
All in all I do wish the guys at NASL good luck and people who work for NASL to do the best they can.
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On August 13 2011 06:17 VIIseven wrote:
You know who is really getting screwed here is the Korean players. Have fun sitting in Korea trying to make it to the finals of your ONE tournament and then get the honor of playing in front of a few hundred fans in a glorified movie theater that a pop group opening can't fill. Guys you have to remember Korea isn't the king of SC2.(not talking about players) The west is where it's at. If the teams over there keep pulling this stuff don't be surprised to see a mass exodus to the foreign teams.
i agree with this
id also like to point out that i know of very few tournaments where you are GUARANTEED money, just for participating, most times you actually have to WIN the money. NASL hasn't said anythign about european players making any such demands ( not saying the demands haven't been made, just saying they haven't been publicized.) which makes me feel that the upset that the koreans feel entitled to extra perks simply because they are koreans playing in a foreign tournament.
when it comes to the security deposit, i am kind of unsure about all the details, i understand that the players haven't recieved theirs back from season one, Shame on the NASL for not getting on that, however is that just for the koreans or everyone, if its everyone then again the koreans have no real right to feel that they deserve special treatment
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On August 13 2011 06:29 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:09 Cyrak wrote:On August 13 2011 06:05 ckw wrote:
I don't understand the logic behind thinking that Koreans dominating foreigners = better games? Now that everyone will be on an equal playing field it will mean more intense close games not ez money. This is the logic that I don't understand. I don't want to be watching games and thinking "wow... if <insert Korean> was playing this guy would get completely crushed... this is fake." You must hate all games not involving Nestea then.
Let me put it simply: the difference between watching Puzzle vs. Morrow and MC vs. Nestea is not the same as the difference between Idra vs. TT1 and MC vs. Nestea.
There is a threshold that separates the low to mid-end play of the foreign scene from the higher level European players and the Koreans. It is a threshold that is easily discernible to anyone who watches SC2 and takes it seriously.
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