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On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:
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You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor.
You are horribly mistaken.
That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money?
Then why aren't you changing all your money to Norwegian Crowns? 1 dollar = 5.53 NOK. Or even Zimbabwean dollar, you could get 10 million million million million Z$ for 1 USD.
Dimaga won 4000 Euro at Assembly. That's 18.8 average monthly salaries for Ukraine. Now let's convert the money to Ukrainian grivnas, with the conversion rate I get 45 501.9087 Ukrainian grivnas. If I divide that by the average monthly salary in Ukraine I get 18.8 months, because converting the money doesn't change how much the money is worth. It's like saying that you get skinnier when you say your weight in stones instead of pounds, it's stupid.
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On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:
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You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor.
You are horribly mistaken.
That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money?
You would make less assuming both tournaments one in US and one in Europe payed the same in monetary value. Meaning that id Eu one payed 1 euro . The US should pay 1times exchange rate in dollars. You would get less because the forex companies eat some it.
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On August 13 2011 01:37 Wraith.978 wrote:
My 2 cents.
The Korean are at a clearly higher skill level. That's enjoyable for the fans. The fans love to see Koreans, but plenty of people just watch foreigners play too. I think the NASL will still do fine.
But with the skill differences, NASL will forever be a B grade SC2 tournament without the Korean. And this will harm potential sponsorship.
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On August 13 2011 01:30 krisss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League nice one.
best post in here
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[QUOTE]On August 13 2011 01:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 13 2011 01:05 LuciferSC wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 13 2011 01:03 busbarn wrote:
Is the avarage korean/average sponsor economy so bad that they can't send people to events? I mean, they are no superstars, they should expect to pay it all by themselves.[/QUOTE]
SC2 teams are definitely not very strong when it comes to finance atm.
However that is not why they pulled out.
They pulled out because they felt the tourney isn't profitable for them or for their players.[/QUOTE]
Ok one US dollar is approx: 1,200 won (or near it)
How could winning the grand prize or even a lower prize and then having it transferred to won NOT be profitable?
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It was a question. But you chose to blow it way out of context.
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We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend).
this lol>
this makes it looks like the nasl pulled out an extra 1k (500 extra price monney, 500 extra travel stipend) but this realy is like offering someone a sigar from his own box (as is an expression here)
they say: redistributed the price monney, wich probably means they reduced the top 5 or so prices, to raise the guaranteed price monney for every player
this even costs the koreans monney, if they where the ones who would have gotten the top prices! yet it looks as if they are getting extra, wich they are not
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On August 13 2011 01:38 Abrafred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:14 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:12 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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Ok one US dollar is approx: 1,200 won (or near it)
How could winning the grand prize or even a lower prize and then having it transferred to won NOT be profitable?
Things just aren't adding up here. Maybe there is more to the story. Just because exchanging US currency to Korean currency ends up in bigger numeric number, doesn't necessarily mean taking US currency to Korea is more profitable than winning the same amount in Korean won. Actually it does. Show me facts proving that it won't. You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor. You are horribly mistaken. That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. You are lucky that I have nothing better to do at the momment. I will offer you my attention i will feed you this that you parents didn't. I feel sorry you found no friends to sociallise with so i will give in. You should know though that you live a sad existence. The numerican value of the currency is of no importance. I shall give you an example. $1=1200won Next day Korea decides to change it's base currency (process Zimbawbe goes through every know and then) into wan where 10000won=1wan. Then $1=0.12wan.. O: could this mean? could this mean? that know seoul is 10000 times more expensive? obviously not. Because the wan the won and the dollar all have different values relative to one another. Now for how cheap life is in Seoul it is enough to say that The average local purchasing power index in the USA is at 124, while in Seoul it is at 125. Pretty much the same. But Seoul is more expensive. Ban him.
Just to add to that, you need 1000+ Won to buy a bag of chips in Seoul. If 1 Won can buy you the same things 1 dollar will buy you, then hell what am I doing not living in Korea right now?
It's like saying that you get skinnier when you say your weight in stones instead of pounds, it's stupid.
lol, nice one. This is probably all we needed to tell him.
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On August 13 2011 01:42 Lobo2me wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all.
Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money? Then why aren't you changing all your money to Norwegian Crowns? 1 dollar = 5.53 NOK. Or even Zimbabwean dollar, you could get 10 million million million million Z$ for 1 USD. Dimaga won 4000 Euro at Assembly. That's 18.8 average monthly salaries for Ukraine. Now let's convert the money to Ukrainian grivnas, with the conversion rate I get 45 501.9087 Ukrainian grivnas. If I divide that by the average monthly salary in Ukraine I get 18.8 months, because converting the money doesn't change how much the money is worth. It's like saying that you get skinnier when you say your weight in stones instead of pounds, it's stupid.
See something like this is all I was wanting. Thanks bro
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Just woke up, has there been any word regarding MC's eligibility due to his deal with SK?
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On August 13 2011 01:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:42 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:
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Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money? Then why aren't you changing all your money to Norwegian Crowns? 1 dollar = 5.53 NOK. Or even Zimbabwean dollar, you could get 10 million million million million Z$ for 1 USD. Dimaga won 4000 Euro at Assembly. That's 18.8 average monthly salaries for Ukraine. Now let's convert the money to Ukrainian grivnas, with the conversion rate I get 45 501.9087 Ukrainian grivnas. If I divide that by the average monthly salary in Ukraine I get 18.8 months, because converting the money doesn't change how much the money is worth. It's like saying that you get skinnier when you say your weight in stones instead of pounds, it's stupid. See something like this is all I was wanting. Thanks bro
and now he shall retire in his castle after a successful day of trolling.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League
Yes, let's take out key and carefully chosen words out of the OP's post, and then act like that's what they actually said.
I don't mean to be rude, but does this actually make sense to you?
I can take anyone's post on this thread and take out specific phrases/words out of their argument to change what they meant. But I don't do that because that's a waste of time. I would no longer be debating with others, but debating with myself. After all, I'm not addressing their statements anymore am I?
There is a specific reason why the OP chose the words that ware chosen....it's to express specific ideas and feelings. By choosing to remove them, you are no longer addressing NASL's post. Any opinion you develop of NASL becomes null and void.
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I really don't care. If the Koreans don't want the money, it's their decision. There are still some good Koreans attending and furthermore it will be a tournament with a higher number of foreigners.
This could be a nice alternation to the MLG tournaments.
And I don't understand people saying they won't watch NASL without these Koreans - plain stupid, games will still be highly entertaining.
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On August 13 2011 01:47 whateverpeeps wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League Yes, let's take out key and carefully chosen words out of the OP's post, and then act like that's what they actually said. I don't mean to be rude, but does this actually make sense to you? I can take anyone's post on this thread, take out specific phrases/words out of their argument. But I don't do that because that's a waste of time. I would no longer be debating with others, but debating with myself. After all, I'm not addressing their statements anymore am I? There is a specific reason why the OP chose the words that ware chosen....it's to express specific ideas and feelings. By choosing to remove them, you are no longer addressing NASL's post. Any opinion you develop of NASL becomes null and void.
agreed. only NASL and the teams know the big picture. there is no reason to cut off the aggressiveness in the post if it's there purposefully.
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On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League
Thank you! The OP was clearly slanted to make the SC2Con look like villains.
I really want to hear the other side of the story.
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On August 13 2011 01:47 Abrafred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:42 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money? Then why aren't you changing all your money to Norwegian Crowns? 1 dollar = 5.53 NOK. Or even Zimbabwean dollar, you could get 10 million million million million Z$ for 1 USD. Dimaga won 4000 Euro at Assembly. That's 18.8 average monthly salaries for Ukraine. Now let's convert the money to Ukrainian grivnas, with the conversion rate I get 45 501.9087 Ukrainian grivnas. If I divide that by the average monthly salary in Ukraine I get 18.8 months, because converting the money doesn't change how much the money is worth. It's like saying that you get skinnier when you say your weight in stones instead of pounds, it's stupid. See something like this is all I was wanting. Thanks bro and now he shall retire in his castle after a successful day of trolling.
And now you can continue to post threads on the internet which don't benefit anybody. At least I took attempts to create a solution for solving NASL situation. While, you came on here to talk shit about I question I had.
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On August 13 2011 01:44 Rassy wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend).
this lol>
this makes it looks like the nasl pulled out an extra 1k (500 extra price monney, 500 extra travel stipend) but this realy is like offering someone a sigar from his own box (as is an expression here)
they say: redistributed the price monney, wich probably means they reduced the top 5 or so prices, to raise the guaranteed price monney for every player
this even costs the koreans monney, if they where the ones who would have gotten the top prices! yet it looks as if they are getting extra, wich they are not
The expectation that there is some magic money tree NASL has access to so they can magically meet all the demands SC2Con wants is asinine. NASL has sponsors, budgets and limited resources. They were willing to go so far to redistribute the prize pool so that everyone who made it in the top 16 would essentially be able to get a shot at the big prize for free and not have to front any money. It sucks that SC2 Korean teams are unwilling or unable to fund their players adequately. But that is not NASL fault.
There are good reasons players would not want to participate in NASL. $500 security deposit might be too much for teams to absorb, especially if they have multiple players. Having a 4hr window that you need to be available at a potentially ungodly hour to play your match affects not only your game but can impact on your teams training schedule.
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Can you guys please check your facts before posting? I've been following this thread since yesterday and I've read a lot of misleading / false stuff. Please bear in mind that part of the people who read this thread may not be familiar with esports and the starcraft scene. So please refrain from posting baseless speculations and/or inaccurate information.
Also sc2guy is on the right track in my opinion. Words are powerful and it's easy to be deceived by them. To me the ability to read between the lines , to take things with a grain of salt is essential when it comes to understanding PR.
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On August 13 2011 01:19 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:10 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:06 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 13 2011 00:34 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 00:22 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 12 2011 23:55 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 23:34 chatuka wrote:
I disagree, I think qualifiers carry a very severe degree of commitment, especially considering the fact that when you qualify, you take a spot in the season that many others would have wanted.
I would say boycotting after season 2 started was purely unacceptable. There is no reason why the boycott could not have been issued a month before, week before, etc. which would have given more time for NASL to find replacements.
The reason why they didn't is that they didn't want their negotiator (NASL) to have very much power in their decision, and make them more willing to yield as it puts them against the wall.
If the boycott was issued a month ago, I don't' think NASL would have tried as hard to get Koreans in the league. They made some pretty big concessions...I guess it was just not enough for the Koreans. You can disagree but it doesn't make you correct. Unless you have a contract from the qualifiers explicitly obligating participation in the upcoming league, they aren't bound to do anything. Invites are turned down all the time. Even Code A and Code S spots are played for and then discarded. I fail to see how it's any different for NASL. You say it's unacceptable for Koreans to boycott after Season 2 starts. How is that relevant when the announced start date was 8/30/11? Unless you count qualifiers as when the events start in which case, that's still the fault of NASL for not scheduling ANY down time between 2 seasons to work out the kinks in their event. They notified NASL of their grievances and their threat to withdraw in preparation for season 2. Doesn't sound to me like they got together a day before the tournament starts (at the end of this month...) to say pay us more or we leave and you're screwed. The fact that NASL decided to go ahead with a tournament and start filming and preparations without finishing contracts for a quarter of their players and having no contingency has nothing to do with Koreans. That's just sloppy organization and management. I'm not sure how your arguments have any legs to stand on. And why do you think you are in a position of correctness? I read the OP. It states that Koreans expressed issues prior to season 2 starting, but were still in negotiation with NASL. They made their FINAL decision to boycott AFTER NASL started filming season 2. Could this decision not be made any sooner? I believe it could have, and I believe it was intentionally not done so because it is a very common business practice to put your negotiator in a tight position and more yielding to demands. I've also assumed there was some agreement, whether contracted or verbal, that made NASL continue filming season 2 despite the negotiations being ongoing. It seems to me that the boycott caught NASL off guard, which implies that this was not an expected outcome. And I think NASL would have expected it had the SC2Con been more explicit and outspoken about not willing to participate.. The truth is I don't think they were because I really don't think they DON'T want to participate in the NASL. I think they do, but are playing hard-ball. Perhaps NASL should have been more cautious about what's going to happen with the situation, but, it's a two way street. You cannot blame this entirely on NASL and say it's sloppy organization - organization is not the question here at all. There is no connection between what is happening and NASL's organization, and to make a connection is to reach for straws. After all, NASL seems to have already taken up to finding replacements and has not issued a delay of season 2, which implies their organization did account for bad luck. It's just crappy that they were put in this situation in the first place, when it could have been avoided. If SC2Con had no intention about playing in Season 2, it is a point that should have been made well aware to the NASL. The boycott should have been decided much earlier on, not after filming. There is no good excuse for that. It seems to me that negotiations and issues were presented early on, but the SC2Con lead NASL to believe it would be resolved in time for season 2. Both are to blame then....NASL for not being cautious and SC2Con for not being more expedient and transparent. The whole deal is called negotiation. Have to tell u the same thing that u said: U can't put the blame on one party for having the negotiation not work. (ie. SC2Con in your case) Not on ethical level, and certainly not on 'legal' level. For ur last paragraph, NASL could've just as easily mislead SC2Con into thinking the same. You're wrong, you CAN put all the blame on one side in a negotiation. SC2Con said "We want you to pay all costs".... NASL increased their offer, SC2Con said "We want you to pay all costs".... NASL increased their offer again, to the highest limit they could go within their budget, and SC2Con said "No, we want you to pay all costs." NASL tried to negotiate, they tried to make concessions so the koreans could come, but its clear that either SC2Con had no plan to let their players play from the beginning, or they are just fond of making completely unreasonable demands. That comes from the difference in their views. SC2Con made such demand because they felt that their players participating in the tournament had significant monetary and other benefit for NASL. Not to mention the fact that their profitability in NASL may not have seemed as appealing for SC2Con. Now if you feel that view isn't deserved - that's your personal call. I don't think anyone can simply state that SC2Con is wrong to think in such way. Maybe foreigners in the MLG-GSL program should not only receive their code A spot, adn their free housing, but they should demand that the prizepool for round of 32 be increased to 1000 dollars to make it extremely profitable for them with 0 risk... that would clearly make sense too right? Besides this has absolutely nothing to do with whether they find it profitable or not to send their players, its just SC2Con sending a message. If it was about profitabilty they would let their players and teams make their own individual choices. Do you think that a player like MC wouldn't come to a tournament that was guaranteed 350 dollars, with a very good chance that he would leave with a 40,000 dollar check? Of course he, and other players his caliber, would come. But it should be his choice, not some stupid fucking committee that is putting a blanket ban on it to send a message.
Would MC participate knowing it would be under bad conditions for 3 months, have it eat into his actual practice time for the more prestigious leagues like GSL, and that was only to make it to the money? He already said he wanted to focus more time on practice and less time on foreign events because he felt the lower level of competition was making his game slip in Korea. You sure MC would come? Maybe someone like DRG or MMA but Nestea really hasn't done too much foreign stuff. IMMvP had issues with lag and scheduling in his last go around with the online foreign thing. Fan fave Boxer already gave his opinion on NASL and it wasn't good. I think you might need to rethink your post.
On August 13 2011 01:22 ArchDC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 00:56 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 00:53 bonifaceviii wrote:
NASL might have been somewhat optimistic that negotiations would eventually come to an agreement by starting production. Otherwise, it seems like the parties negotiated in good faith and simply couldn't reach something that was mutually beneficial.
It's unfortunate, but this shit happens sometimes in business. This is/should be the take home message of this post. The issue of whether the offers made by NASL/demands made by SC2Con is unfair is a totally different issue imo. (and should be done in a separate post if anything) Second this. Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 00:57 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 13 2011 00:41 tripper688 wrote:
Start of filming =/= start of broadcast. The fact that NASL went ahead to start filming and production of a season where the status of 1/4 of their players were in a contractual state of limbo without contingency is poor organization. Regardless of their negotiation tactics, everything they did was completely legal and not out of the ordinary for business practices. The fact that you assume they had a non binding agreement to play it out doesn't mean anything. They may have, they may not have, point is, it doesn't matter because it's non binding. You're right, I cannot blame negotiations falling apart on NASL. Negotiations don't always work and I never did, nor was it my intention. What I did say fell on NASL is the responsibility to get their tournament together regardless. Example : You are a wedding planner. You have a wedding in 2 weeks. All of a sudden, your contract negotiations with your desired florist and band go up in flames. It's not your fault or their fault that the negotiations failed, that stuff happens. It IS still on you to get the wedding together and to have contingencies. Understand my point now? The fact that they seem to have not prepared any contingency and are scrambling with possible delays in production implies that something, somewhere, someone screwed up in the organizational chain of command. Someone assumed something and when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me both right? That's what I mean by something going wrong with NASL. I'm not blaming them for the negotiations falling apart. That's the nature of negotiations, not everything works out. It is not SC2con's fault that NASL went ahead with production without securing contracts or backups. It's NASL's JOB as the event organizer to get that stuff together. It's SC2con's JOB as Korean representatives to make demands for their players. No one is to blame for negotiations falling apart. However, not having a contingency, not securing contracts before production, the only people to blame for that NASL. Sorry for the wall of text but I hope this makes my position clear.
Start of filming > broadcast. Broadcast date means absolutely nothing as it involves the Koreans in no way whatsoever. It is their responsibility to meet the filming dates because that's when games are played, not broadcast date...that is arbitrarily decided by NASL. I agree with you that NASL should have been more cautious proceeding into Season 2....however, it seems that reason for caution was already given too late (1-2 weeks prior to the start), AND it seems that SC2Con made some kind of agreement to proceed. Yes, the agreement may be non-binding as you said, BUT that makes no difference. All that means is NASL can't sue them; it doesn't mean that it didn't lead NASL to believe that it was okay to proceed. Nonbinding contracts almost always precede binding ones. You can't say that it's NASL having poor organization, when you are conceding the fact that there was probably a non-binding agreement involved. You are basically saying, "It's okay for them to tell NASL to start, because it was not a signed contract. It's NASL's fault for assuming they want to participate when they said they did." Doesn't make sense. Also, PS, verbal contracts do have some legal weight. Yes someone did assume, but what I am saying, there was some weight of responsibility that fell on SC2Con to clear assumptions, which they didn't seem to have done. They also seem to have purposefully delayed their final decision to put NASL in a tight spot intentionally, which although a good business tactic, is not really a good or fair one. That's all I'm saying. I there was to be a boycott, it should have been issued long beforehand to give the NASL more leeway with their negotiations, and more time to make reparations. It seems that NASL is fine even with a problem this late, which means their organization was perfectly set up. It's just not PROFESSIONAL to do that to a tournament, even if they can manage their way around it. In your wedding example, yes, it sucks when that happens, and as a wedding organizer you have to proceed regardless. But is it PROFESSIONAL that the flower person pulls out last minute? No, it's not. Its somewhere in between. The perception of whether NASL or SC2Con is more or less unprofessional, etc. is not constructive and is uncertain given that we do not have/know every single detail and why do we need to know and search for someone to blame? End of the day, NASL still needs and should be expected to put up the best production they can and let's just encourage and hope that they do that and give constructive suggestions moving forward.
Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 00:56 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 00:53 bonifaceviii wrote:
NASL might have been somewhat optimistic that negotiations would eventually come to an agreement by starting production. Otherwise, it seems like the parties negotiated in good faith and simply couldn't reach something that was mutually beneficial.
It's unfortunate, but this shit happens sometimes in business. This is/should be the take home message of this post. The issue of whether the offers made by NASL/demands made by SC2Con is unfair is a totally different issue imo. (and should be done in a separate post if anything) Did I say I second this?
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On August 13 2011 01:23 Xenocryst wrote:
a shame, but i think i might enjoy this more.i generally like foreigner games more. For one thing its a lot more interesting to watch with fun cool strategies as well as the Korean Scene is so juvenile and bad mannered. i think i will enjoy NASL more now
Are you serious or trolling? You realize most of these fun cool strats are completed in Korea even if they didn't start there and that Koreans execute them better than anyone else? Aside from TLO (who gets crushed fairly often), how many foreigners can you say both create builds and refine builds on the level of Koreans? Thorzain and Nani play vZ like Koreans did in their matchups 3 months ago. That's not innovative fun, cool strats. That's just being behind the ball. As for Korean scene being BM and juvenile...this is coming from a fan of the scene that spawned IdrA, InControl, Destiny, Psy, Naniwa, etc. And you're talking about BM and juvenile?
On August 13 2011 01:23 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:20 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:14 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:12 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:05 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:03 busbarn wrote:
Is the avarage korean/average sponsor economy so bad that they can't send people to events? I mean, they are no superstars, they should expect to pay it all by themselves. SC2 teams are definitely not very strong when it comes to finance atm. However that is not why they pulled out. They pulled out because they felt the tourney isn't profitable for them or for their players. Ok one US dollar is approx: 1,200 won (or near it) How could winning the grand prize or even a lower prize and then having it transferred to won NOT be profitable? Things just aren't adding up here. Maybe there is more to the story. Just because exchanging US currency to Korean currency ends up in bigger numeric number, doesn't necessarily mean taking US currency to Korea is more profitable than winning the same amount in Korean won. Actually it does. Show me facts proving that it won't. This must be a professional troll or the saddest commenter i've ever encountered in any online blog. Honestly, i feel too sad to try and explain how wrong this man is. Winning $X and then converting $X to $Y means you have more money. Seems pretty simple to me. =) Now if you have to spend money to win money then you could possibly lose money. But that doesn't appear to be the case here.
Are you trolling? You realize AT BEST, you convert X into an equivalent amount of Y. If 1 dollar = 1200 won, you only get 1200 won. Which only buys you about as much as 1 USD. If you have to convert at currency exchange or banks, they take a percentage. So yes you will lose money. Not to mention the cost of living in Seoul is higher than that for many American cities. How far will $300 go in the US? It'll go about as far or less in Seoul.
On August 13 2011 01:27 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 NEOtheONE wrote:
So let me get this straight, in order to participate in the GSL, you are basically expected to move to Korea, and I am under the impression that they do not pay for a single penny of foreigner expenses to get there. Please correct me if I am wrong.
THANK YOU! More people need to see the selfishness of Koreas decision. Foreigners have to make sacrafices and Koreans should as well. Your're wrong. Stop talking. Non-Koreans don't practice enough. Korean practice, sacrificing their social and professional lives. End of discussion. There are no foreigner progamers, only celebrities who happen to play starcraft.
This^. The reason why more foreigners weren't in GSL isn't because GSL didn't provide lodging or teams weren't sponsoring or GOM wasn't helping. They simply weren't good enough to qualify and make it in Code A and S with the exception of a select few. You honestly have to be pretty daft to compare Korean training vs Foreign training and then say Koreans are the selfish ones. The fact that foreign pros know all of this and still would rather train in Korea than attend NASL (Thorzain, Naniwa) is pretty telling in my book.
On August 13 2011 01:28 purecarnagge wrote:
So the entire thread comes down to the following.
1. I want to win all the money
2. I don't want to pay the deposit
3. I don't want to pay to come to your tournament
4. Pay me immediately please.
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So the entire thread comes down to
1. I want Koreans in my tourney
2. I can't pay them what they want
3. I start filming them anyway without contract
4. They leave and I'm screwed...time to play the blame game
Please tell me how my post is in any way worse or less true than yours.
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On August 13 2011 01:51 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:47 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:42 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:
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this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money? Then why aren't you changing all your money to Norwegian Crowns? 1 dollar = 5.53 NOK. Or even Zimbabwean dollar, you could get 10 million million million million Z$ for 1 USD. Dimaga won 4000 Euro at Assembly. That's 18.8 average monthly salaries for Ukraine. Now let's convert the money to Ukrainian grivnas, with the conversion rate I get 45 501.9087 Ukrainian grivnas. If I divide that by the average monthly salary in Ukraine I get 18.8 months, because converting the money doesn't change how much the money is worth. It's like saying that you get skinnier when you say your weight in stones instead of pounds, it's stupid. See something like this is all I was wanting. Thanks bro and now he shall retire in his castle after a successful day of trolling. And now you can continue to post threads on the internet which don't benefit anybody. At least I tried to help the NASL situation. You came on the thread just to be an ass to feed your ego.
are you for reals?
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On August 13 2011 01:50 Abrafred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:47 whateverpeeps wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League Yes, let's take out key and carefully chosen words out of the OP's post, and then act like that's what they actually said. I don't mean to be rude, but does this actually make sense to you? I can take anyone's post on this thread, take out specific phrases/words out of their argument. But I don't do that because that's a waste of time. I would no longer be debating with others, but debating with myself. After all, I'm not addressing their statements anymore am I? There is a specific reason why the OP chose the words that ware chosen....it's to express specific ideas and feelings. By choosing to remove them, you are no longer addressing NASL's post. Any opinion you develop of NASL becomes null and void. agreed. only NASL and the teams know the big picture. there is no reason to cut off the aggressiveness in the post if it's there purposefully.
actually, I was referring to the sc2guy criticizing the latter portion of the post. When I read the OP, I honestly did not get an impression or feeling of aggressiveness at all, but rather, somberness.
"Disappointment" vs "regret?" Does one really sound aggressive to you?
I think there is no intended aggressiveness in the article. I think any aggressiveness that is perceived is read in or projected onto the statement. People should take a step back and remove their pre-judgments before reading it.
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