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This is most regrettable.
I hope the NASL can live on despite of this. Good luck!
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On August 13 2011 01:51 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:44 Rassy wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend).
this lol>
this makes it looks like the nasl pulled out an extra 1k (500 extra price monney, 500 extra travel stipend) but this realy is like offering someone a sigar from his own box (as is an expression here)
they say: redistributed the price monney, wich probably means they reduced the top 5 or so prices, to raise the guaranteed price monney for every player
this even costs the koreans monney, if they where the ones who would have gotten the top prices! yet it looks as if they are getting extra, wich they are not The expectation that there is some magic money tree NASL has access to so they can magically meet all the demands SC2Con wants is asinine. NASL has sponsors, budgets and limited resources. They were willing to go so far to redistribute the prize pool so that everyone who made it in the top 16 would essentially be able to get a shot at the big prize for free and not have to front any money. It sucks that SC2 Korean teams are unwilling or unable to fund their players adequately. But that is not NASL fault. There are good reasons players would not want to participate in NASL. $500 security deposit might be too much for teams to absorb, especially if they have multiple players. Having a 4hr window that you need to be available at a potentially ungodly hour to play your match affects not only your game but can impact on your teams training schedule.
I don't think Rassy was saying it was NASL's fault, but merely pointing out that NASL didn't actually offer better terms in the end because they're pulling the "extra" money from the prizes.
This point was also noted in the TIG article.
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On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League
Oh hey check it out, this is why hardly anyone respects NASL sadly. 
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The passive aggressive by the OP remind me of Xeris. Probably it is him hiding under a new ID on TL. haha
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On August 13 2011 01:44 Rassy wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend).
this lol>
this makes it looks like the nasl pulled out an extra 1k (500 extra price monney, 500 extra travel stipend) but this realy is like offering someone a sigar from his own box (as is an expression here)
they say: redistributed the price monney, wich probably means they reduced the top 5 or so prices, to raise the guaranteed price monney for every player
this even costs the koreans monney, if they where the ones who would have gotten the top prices! yet it looks as if they are getting extra, wich they are not
What a retarded post. What do you expect them to do, pull the money out of thin air? Clearly you have no idea how things like this work. Their sponsors only promise them a certain amount of cash so their only option is to redistribute the prize pool. They can't just go and say "o hey we need an extra $20,000 cause koreans dont feel like paying a dime to go to international tournaments, like everyone else in the world has to, o and they want even their 16th place finishers to come out with a big prize (cause really 1k travel + 1k prize for last place = 2k total will cover the travel costs, last place losers don't "make money" in any tournament)".
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On August 13 2011 01:49 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
I really don't care. If the Koreans don't want the money, it's their decision. There are still some good Koreans attending and furthermore it will be a tournament with a higher number of foreigners.
This could be a nice alternation to the MLG tournaments.
And I don't understand people saying they won't watch NASL without these Koreans - plain stupid, games will still be highly entertaining.
Minor league games can be highly entertaining too but when given a choice, most people still choose the majors. No one says the games can't be entertaining or competitive. They just won't be of as high a level as if there were more Koreans. And some people actually like high level play.
On August 13 2011 01:51 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:44 Rassy wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend).
this lol>
this makes it looks like the nasl pulled out an extra 1k (500 extra price monney, 500 extra travel stipend) but this realy is like offering someone a sigar from his own box (as is an expression here)
they say: redistributed the price monney, wich probably means they reduced the top 5 or so prices, to raise the guaranteed price monney for every player
this even costs the koreans monney, if they where the ones who would have gotten the top prices! yet it looks as if they are getting extra, wich they are not The expectation that there is some magic money tree NASL has access to so they can magically meet all the demands SC2Con wants is asinine. NASL has sponsors, budgets and limited resources. They were willing to go so far to redistribute the prize pool so that everyone who made it in the top 16 would essentially be able to get a shot at the big prize for free and not have to front any money. It sucks that SC2 Korean teams are unwilling or unable to fund their players adequately. But that is not NASL fault. There are good reasons players would not want to participate in NASL. $500 security deposit might be too much for teams to absorb, especially if they have multiple players. Having a 4hr window that you need to be available at a potentially ungodly hour to play your match affects not only your game but can impact on your teams training schedule.
On the same note, it's not SC2con's fault either for not attending an event they feel is not profitable. Especially when they were never obligated to do so in the first place. The only thing that matters at this point is NASL still being responsible for giving us a great NASL because that is their job.
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quite disappointing but here's hoping some lesser known players will go far as a result.
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Is there any comment from Korean press? There's always 2 sides for each story and for some reason NASL's version of it seems too fishy to be true
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On August 13 2011 01:57 AntisocialGR wrote:
Is there any comment from Korean press? There's always 2 sides for each story and for some reason NASL's version of it seems too fishy to be true
i think you're mistaking typical press release verbiage for conspiracy theory
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On August 12 2011 08:11 Goobus wrote:
Wow, this is surprising news. It seems a questionable business decision to deny an all expenses paid trip for a shot at the grand finals which pays out a massive first prize. I'm wondering whether this is the beginning of KeSPA 2.0...
The koreans are getting greedy imho
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Makes you remember how young a sport StarCraft still is :S
A real shame, hope we soon get to a day where sponsor money makes problems like this history.
The question should be whenever or not the team can afford expensive gear, branding campaigns, good training facilities.
The question shouldn't be if they can pay for the flight tickets to a major tournament :S
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Do you guys think that there is anything NASL can do to retain its viewers? I genuinely cannot see the tournament living past next season without koreans. The only thing NASL had going for it was the awesome games and interesting korean vs non-korean matchups.
This sucks hardcore, decisions like this hurt the SC2 eSports scene as a whole, and unless foreigners step their game up ALOT, it seems as though the foreign scene will suffer first. I don't even care who's to blame, I just really dont want to see SC2 fall apart because Koreans are becoming too good again . Maybe at MLG some foreigner who isn't HuK will shock us and dominate...
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On August 13 2011 01:53 whateverpeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:50 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:47 whateverpeeps wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League Yes, let's take out key and carefully chosen words out of the OP's post, and then act like that's what they actually said. I don't mean to be rude, but does this actually make sense to you? I can take anyone's post on this thread, take out specific phrases/words out of their argument. But I don't do that because that's a waste of time. I would no longer be debating with others, but debating with myself. After all, I'm not addressing their statements anymore am I? There is a specific reason why the OP chose the words that ware chosen....it's to express specific ideas and feelings. By choosing to remove them, you are no longer addressing NASL's post. Any opinion you develop of NASL becomes null and void. agreed. only NASL and the teams know the big picture. there is no reason to cut off the aggressiveness in the post if it's there purposefully. actually, I was referring to the sc2guy criticizing the latter portion of the post. When I read the OP, I honestly did not get an impression or feeling of aggressiveness at all, but rather, somberness. "Disappointment" vs "regret?" Does one really sound aggressive to you? I think there is no intended aggressiveness in the article. I think any aggressiveness that is perceived is read in or projected onto the statement. People should take a step back and remove their pre-judgments before reading it.
not really. it's definately aggressiveness that is sensored. at least to some extent. He changes words like threatened. Even if it can't be called an aggressive piece of text it contained more of an aggressiveness than the converted version did.
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The worst part is, these asshat coaches let their players enter the qualifiers before hand KNOWING NASL's policies and how much they pay for travel. Then, even when they doubled the travel allowance and minimum prize, they still pull out at the last minute. Thats a damn dick move. You make these negotiations before you enter a tournament, not after you're already in and now you leave and leave a huge gapping hole in the brackets. So immature and unprofessional, kespa 2.0 stealth version (at least kespa was upfront about being dicks, where as sc2con seems to be doing all this shit behind closed doors) incoming.
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Good job SC2 Guy with the edits.
the piece is very impartial.
The most salient point being that WE DO NOT KNOW if the players have asked for representation. When you factor accomodationa nd living costs into things the prices will get VERY expensive - where america was once a fairly cheap place it is now expensive. If only 3-4 Koreans are going then they can figure they have a larger chunk of the pie, if 10-15 go then many will be attending with no hope of making money back.
If I was top 8 in the world and couldnt afford the travel and knew that all of the top 8 were going ... id have to think hard. OFC I'd want to compete, but sadly this is the real world.
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On August 13 2011 01:53 whateverpeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:50 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:47 whateverpeeps wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League Yes, let's take out key and carefully chosen words out of the OP's post, and then act like that's what they actually said. I don't mean to be rude, but does this actually make sense to you? I can take anyone's post on this thread, take out specific phrases/words out of their argument. But I don't do that because that's a waste of time. I would no longer be debating with others, but debating with myself. After all, I'm not addressing their statements anymore am I? There is a specific reason why the OP chose the words that ware chosen....it's to express specific ideas and feelings. By choosing to remove them, you are no longer addressing NASL's post. Any opinion you develop of NASL becomes null and void. agreed. only NASL and the teams know the big picture. there is no reason to cut off the aggressiveness in the post if it's there purposefully. actually, I was referring to the sc2guy criticizing the latter portion of the post. When I read the OP, I honestly did not get an impression or feeling of aggressiveness at all, but rather, somberness. "Disappointment" vs "regret?" Does one really sound aggressive to you? I think there is no intended aggressiveness in the article. I think any aggressiveness that is perceived is read in or projected onto the statement. People should take a step back and remove their pre-judgments before reading it.
People will make of it what they will. You read it as NASL being deceived and forced into a bad trading position and were defending that position. There is nothing in the post that states that...it only says that A.) Koreans were unhappy about NASL and filed grievances sometime before production of season 2. B.) Negotiations were had, NASL decides to film without contracts for whatever reason. C.) Negotiations fail and Koreans withdraw like they said they would. D.) NASL is now in a bad spot and is scrambling to finish up production.
Like I said before what matters now is not who is at fault or who did what in what faith. The only things that matter now is that the Koreans did nothing wrong and it's up to NASL to deliver their product to us.
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On August 12 2011 23:26 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 23:07 mav451 wrote:
The Koreans pulled out at the last-minute because their demands weren't met. Try to remember that NASL wasn't trying to portray anything. Last-minute is last-minute; and to me, it seems the Koreans felt like they could extract additional advantages from pulling these tactics. If anything, both sides lost, so I don't know why anyone is rooting one way or another.
The transparency about this was...refreshing to say the least. Last minute is last minute? Did you not read the part where they were asking for changes to season 2 or they would pull out in preparation for season 2? Try to remember that they weren't bound to any contract nor did they not warn NASL. NASL took a gamble by hoping that things would work out and didn't bother with a contingency...obviously that wasn't the case. Now Koreans are being bashed for it? From NASL's point of view, the Koreans made no move to budge so they were at an impasse. 2 options. Tell them sorry, maybe next time, and arrange for replacements OR give in. NASL did neither and it bit them in the ass. From the Koreans point of view, we want more compensation for *insert laundry list of reasons* NASL is refusing to comply. We pick our ball and take it home. How anyone can like either of them after this is beyond me but in the end, the responsibility lies with NASL as event organizers. That's what it comes down to. Their event, they need to keep on top of the ball by making sure the players, the paperwork, the scheduling, the casters, etc everything is ready to go with a backup if something fails. If you're a wedding planner but your contract negotiations with your florist goes up in flames a week before the wedding, you're still on the hook for the wedding. Make it happen NASL.
Read NASL's first post again. I think it's pretty clear you missed the bolded part.
Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league.
We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.
I'm not going to pretend to know the exact timeline, but waiting until the 2nd day of filming is most definitely LAST minute. The white-knighting for the koreans is absurd in this thread. Stick to the facts. My question is why did the Koreans wait till the 2nd day of filming to withdraw? If they made up their mind, one way or another, you should inform the other party ASAP. Waiting until the 2nd day of filming seems like a really under-handed and disrespectful thing to do. Like I said in my post, I understand that it's part of the negotiating/hard-ball process (stretching timelines for negotiation), but waiting until the final hour to do that is messed up.
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On August 13 2011 01:43 deerpark87 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:30 krisss wrote:On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League nice one. best post in here
This is actually one of the worst posts. Sure, NASL's writing is bias toward their own organization. At what point in time did self-interest become a crime to journalism?
First of all, the issue at hand is not how NASL phrases things. Even with your "rephrased" version, the problem is still Koreans having these expectations that NASL will pay them to come.
Second, these expectations are wrong because NASL is not an employer of pro-gamers that pays their gamers to participate and win even more money that NASL has to pay out. NASL is a competition and thus should be treated as such. Do you see Chinese olympics, or GSL or any Olympics or NHL hockey league or NBA basketball league paying for other country's players so they can participate in the medal games/competition/ stanley cup/ NBA finals? NO
Their own teams pay for them.
Period.
I hate NASL just as much as everyone else here, but don't make it like they are the bad guys in THIS situation. They clearly are the victims of Korean team's unreasonable expectations.
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So SC2con just said nobody is coming? It sounds really stupid.
Whoever wants to participate should participate and who don't just don't.
Why big company to say for them what they want?
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aggresivness is the wrong word, the langauge was not neutral. The post clearly sides with NASL.
Im not disputing that NASL has had the shit end of the stick (moreso the fans and possibly the players) - however its about what was written. If you didnt notice then that is precisley the problem.
The article could of been written differently and then you would of said NASL are ass hats - as would 95% of readers because langauge has all kinds of tricks in how you interpret it
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